Mr. Vixen

Basically she's implying that the editing makes it look like Kenya is an angel in it all while the actual events show otherwise. She's saying we didn't see the whole thing of Kenya charging at Natalie and saying the reason we were only seeing Kenya's talking heads during the fight is because the editors are working to slant this in Kenya's favor for whatever reason.

LMAO YRBB you're so right. I don't understand how people are using "Chris was talking down to her" as an excuse when the fact is she stood and charged at Natalie. Chris was almost irrelevant to the whole thing! Here is Nene's blog where basically she says we didn't see everything.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees that Kenya standing had nothing to do with Chris and everything to do with charging at Natalie. Everyone is saying she is fine to stand to look eye to eye with Christopher but that's not at all what happened and Nene is right, she shouldn't have gotten out of her god damn chair. Neither should have Christopher but let's be real, Nene was never going to get in his face about it. She ain't stupid.

I still don't see any evidence that nene had any vitriol for Kenya until the very end. She shouldn't have chased after Kenya, but we won't know until next week if Nene blames the whole thing on her...Nene was never going to get in any of the men's face last night. She shouldn't have gotten in Kenya's either, but still.

I definitely see your point Cheap but I stand by what I said. Kenya started this by running her mouth and she needs to own her share of the blame. Love it! Lol bloop!

Kenya was definitely a victim, but she was also an instigator. The fight that arose last night stemmed from Kenya "stirring the pot" at the vineyard last week. Kenya had no reason to comment on Natalie/Christopher's marriage. She did so because she had some gossip and wanted to start [!@#$%^&*]. She even said as much in her talking heads last week. She stirred the pot at the vineyard and it ended in Natalie getting "read" and "shut down" by both Kandi and Kenya, so we all hail Kenya as "the queen of shade" and celebrate her for stirring [!@#$%^&*] up. Kenya, just like Nene couldn't have predicted how violent this would get, but at the end of the day it all stems back to her running her mouth on someone else's marriage. If she wasn't prepared to deal with the outcome of her actions, then she shouldn't have run her mouth. Everyone seems to be getting on Nene for "stirring the pot" last night, but why does Kenya get a free pass for doing the same thing? If the vineyard and pillow talk episodes had all aired as one, maybe you all would see that Kenya's shadiness played a HUGE factor in last night's events. I mean, honestly - did she expect that she could just stir [!@#$%^&*] up about someone's MARRIAGE, and they would just stay silent? I 100% believe Kenya when she says that Christopher said he wasn't married - we even have that radio interview to corroborate that. But did Miss Kenya really think that she was going to throw those allegations out there and that Chris was just going to take it, stand up and say "Kenya's right Natalie I denied you existed"? Kenya is a grown ass, very smart woman and she knew [!@#$%^&*] would happen because of this. Now she's shielding the blame because Christopher grabbed her, which was WRONG, but it doesn't mean that Kenya is lily white. (And no - she shouldn't have charged at Natalie, either. Standing to talk to Chris is one thing, but she stood to yell at Natalie - and that's another). As for Nene "setting out to humiliate Kenya", could someone provide some actual evidence of that? Nene was coming for ALL of these ladies last night. She came for Kandi with the digs about Kandi Koated Nights, and then came for Kandi/Mynique/Chris with the "being with someone who's slept with your spouse question". She came for Porsha with the bisexual question. She brought up the strip club knowing that there's been a lot of debate about that and that Perer/Apollo would get heated. Hell, she even shaded Apollo and said he should spend that 8,000 dollars on his kids. So yes, Nene 100% "stirred the pot" and came for all of these women, and therefore some of the blame is on her. But to say she set up the night in order to humiliate Kenya is a completely unfounded claim. And before you all harp back to "Nene starting the night by attacking Kenya", let me reiterate my point. Nene has been coming for these ladies about their tardiness for years. The comments she made about being "pissed" and "annoyed" BEFORE Kenya got there are the same comments she made about Kandi/Phaedra two weeks ago when they were late. Last year when the ladies were late to her dinner party in Hollywood she threw them all off of her property, including Cynthia who is her best friend. So to say Nene's actions about Kenya's tardiness prove she was "setting up to humiliate Kenya", is completely unfounded. This is the same way Nene has been handling that for years. Is it over the top? Yes. But when she's done it to each and every one of these ladies, it hardly proves she had it out for Kenya. As for why Nene would invite Chris/Natalie, I would bet a lot of money that it was producer-mandated. I'm sure you all will deny that because it's the latest trend to blame Nene for everything but the poverty level, but think about it. How many times in the past have people been invited to things that didn't make any sense except to create drama? And every time we assume it's the producers, and we're usually right. It's funny how now that y'all dislike Nene, that thought doesn't enter your mind. Nene definitely stirred the pot and maybe that was unnecessary, but like Chit said - that's why we watch these shows. The real [!@#$%^&*] stirrer here was Kenya who is undeservedly sliding off the hook because nobody seems to be able to connect last weeks events to this weeks and see that Kenya was/is the root of the problem. Obviously, neither Kenya or Nene is responsible for the men's disgusting behavior - just saying that before someone says that's what I was implying. So glad to have you back, +1.

+100. Exactly what I was too tipsy and exhausted to fully convey last night. You hit the nail right on the head.

Mine too, and I do not think Nene should have followed Kenya or gotten in her face. If Nene had a problem with Kenya standing it should have been addressed later. In the heat of all that physical fighting Nene didn't need to add that fuel to the fire. However, acting like Kenya played no role in how things played out is ludicrous. It all comes back to her running her mouth about someone else's marriage, simply to stir the pot. Her and Nene are very much alike in that manner, and while Nene may have gotten away with it in the past, Kenya is sliding off the hook undeservedly now because it's become the trend to label Nene as this big bad wolf. Kenya is very strategic and she knew exactly what she was doing. Just like Nene.

Kenya absolutely isn't blameless and neither is Nene. I don't think you should feel for Natlie or or husband. But last week Kenya did to Natalie exactly what you're accusing Nene of doing to Kenya, yet because nobody got punched, Kenya is blameless. If Kenya had stayed out of their marriage" none of this would have happened.

Cynthia was shady too, but Kenya's [!@#$%^&*] stirring re: their marriage was not Cynthia's doing. Kenya jumped in because she loves to watch everyone fight while she sips tea and says things in her talking heads that she won't say in person. This week Nene did try to clown them all, and it backfired. That doesn't make Kenya any less to blame.

I'm not shifting the blame to Kenya, I'm saying it isn't that black and white. Nene [!@#$%^&*] stirred tonight and came for EVERYONE there, for sure. But if Kenya hadn't gotten involved in someone else's marriage just to stir the pot, this whole thing wouldn't have ever happened. They are both in the wrong here but for some reason Kenya gets painted as some angel simply because she was more slick.

I believe Nene holds some blame for being a [!@#$%^&*] stirrer but Kenya is not blameless either. I mean, really. Last week Kenya brought up Natalie and Chris' "marriage" out of nowhere SIMPLY TO STIR THE POT. But because it didn't get violent, we all just eat it up as "delicious shade". This week, Nene stirs the pot and it escalates, all leading back to KENYA, and Nene is the antichrist. Nene is not blameless but if Miss Kenya hadn't come for Natalie's marriage last week JUST to stir the pot, none of this would have happened in the first place. Y'all can blame nene for stirring the pot but the stem of this argument is KENYA stirring the pot last week. Also Eric you're right, Apollo hates Phaedra and it's obvious

Nene stirring the pot = her encouraging an environment where it's okay to beat people up? Ok maybe in your world but not to most people. Nene attacking Kenya when she arrived is irrelevant. Nene has attacked each and every one of these girls for being late, it is NOT unique to Kenya nor out of character for Nene. Being late is something nene has been riding these bitches about for years and it WAS hypocritical of Kenya to be so late considering her huge diatribe against tardiness two weeks ago

I'm sorry but I do not agree with you guys at all. This was in no way Nene's fault. Did she stir the pot? Absolutely. Should she have asked those questions knowing it would get crazy? Probably not. But the fact is, these are GROWN ASS ADULTS! She is not responsible for the way that they act and she certainly couldn't have predicted that things would elevate to that level. As for Kenya, she did inadvertently cause things to avalanche even further. Yes, Christopher was talking down to her and her standing to talk eye to him would be PERFECTLY understandable. But when she stood it had NOTHING to do with him. She was arguing with Natalie at that point. She stood and charged at Natalie, not Chris. And that is what caused things to escalate. Now, Chris is a disgusting pig who had NO business putting his hands on or anywhere near Kenya. Apollo is an animal, Peter is an underhanded !@#$%^&*], and Chuck is just a wimp. But there is no way you can pin this on Nene. She may have known this would get everyone heated but she CANNOT be blamed for the way these adults acted. They made a fool of themselves and acted disgustingly all on their own. Cannot wait for next week. Looks like Kandi finally takes down Papa smurf. ETA: Nene did have the right to be mad at Kenya being late. Two weeks ago when Kandi/Phaedra were late, Kenya stood on her pedestal about it and acted as if the world was ending. Now she's an hour and a half late and can't send a text? Shady. She knew when Brandon's flight was WELL ahead of time. Also, I forgot to add - Chris never should have stood up and his rent-a-wife looked like an idiot telling Porsha her man needed to stand for this. Again, Kenya getting up to defend herself to Chris is 100% ok. But she was sitting down yelling at Natalie, and when Natalie made the back pedal comment, Kenya got up and charged at her which DID escalate things. That being said, she is NOT completely to blame. Chris had no business touching her

Just started watching. Can't believe none of you bitches mentioned that Dwight returned!

But Eric....Nene is our girl.

I'm starting to wish I had quit the show this season, I don't want to see Nene fall from grace.

I'm gonna watch in about an hour, I will post my thoughts afterwards!

Everything on Twitter basically says Nene is the one who put the situation in play by having them all their, but other than that it was really Christopher, Apollo and Chuck who were in the wrong.

Damn I can't wait to watch in a couple hours. Sad to hear people hating on Nene but I will reserve judgement until I watch.

LMAO you're killing me.

Lol I love Patti but she's not a diva , she's just a bitch. Reportedly a violent one, too.

Who is that deliciousness in the sweatpants?

No, it's optional, the wives are paid to do it separate from their season salary. See: Adrienne Maloof.

Lol she is irrelevant.