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OLTL: Adrianna as Dorian’s daughter ATWT: Lucinda and James Stenbeck having an earlier affair which resulted in a pregnancy.

I think the introduction of Lucinda gave her a rival, competitor, sparring partner- like a Dorian and Viki - even though the writing never kept up with these ladies. Also, I don’t think Lisa ever had the cruel streak that Lucinda could exhibit.

I feel for her kids, but not her. Her politics are awful and she would celebrate anyone else going to prison for crimes her husband was convicted of.

Martha Bryne’s husband was sentenced to 18 months in prison.

2025 is not starting well. She was wonderful as Monica.

It is false to claim abortion rights is a losing issue- in states like Ohio and Missouri, abortion rights have been enshrined in their constitution. As one who has supported Democrats since I turned 18 with my labor and money, I would not support any concessions on abortion. Abortion is not why Dems lost and to say otherwise is ignoring how popular the issue is with all people. To hell with evangelicals and their ilk.

Holden fled to New York after he discovered Aaron was his son he wanted to discuss the issue with Seth when he got hit by a car. I think Marcy and Linc broke up over all her lies.

Gutted about President Biden. I haven’t worked on a presidential campaign in decades but will do so now. I am going to do what I can to help democrats keep the White House (hopefully Kamala).

It’s interesting that now that Byrne has had some blowback from her maga tweet that she followed with a story of how Hubbard was yelled at by a fan for going to DC to support the ERA and that the two had differences but still were close. Right or wrong, my appreciation of an actor or singer or whatnot can be influenced by their views. As a huge Hubbard fan it makes me really glad she seemed to have liberal views. I remember when she returned after a brief hiatus in 1999 and was in a rehab place. There was a scene where she seemed to make sure the camera viewed a book she had in her suitcase written by Gore Vidal. Lucy was a Democrat and no one will convince me otherwise😇

Thanks for sharing. I loved Sam and Lucinda’s relationship and I had no idea Sam was always part of the story. I just assumed she was added later.

Finally took the time to watch the Locher room celebration of Elizabeth Hubbard. It was lovely. While I would have liked to hear from other actors she shared screen time with like Bryggmann, Hensley, or Wiggin, I think Bryce and Byrne did a great job and allowed for more of an intimate portrait of Hubbard. My favorite anecdote was from Bryce when he said Hubbard would come back from vacation and they would find a 6’4 man with a foreign accent drinking coffee and she met him Africa. Make me wish they had incorporated something like that for Lucinda. Hubbard will always remain a favorite of mine. She was interesting, she acted in an interesting manner, she lived an interesting life. I think the phrase, “they don’t make them like they use to,” works here. She stood out like Robin Strasser, or Beverly McKinsey or Eileen Fulton. There is just something about these actors that made their shows interesting.

Just a FYI, but Scott Bryce and Martha Byrne will join Alan Locher to pay tribute to Elizabeth Hubbard on August 16 at 3 pm.

Paolo Serganti was a fabulous find. He made Lily slightly better for a few episodes. I cannot help imagining what type of chemistry he and Melanie Smith could have created.

The writing for Craig was so awful. Recasts happen but the writers just spit on his history for the reason of what? Showing Craig as a supposed “strong” man? I loved his relationship with Lucinda - love, hate, attraction, etc. They bring him back and he has people poison her to get Worldwide. WTH was that? She wanted him in her company - a more nuanced approach could have been his getting her to crown him king and keep the Walsh/Montgomery clan intact.

This is a beautiful tribute thank you. I loved this actress. I can’t put into words how her character has stayed with me throughout the decades.

There are actors or characters or people that just make you stop and pay attention and Elizabeth Hubbard was such a person. I adored her Lucinda. Amazing career and I am so thankful for this wonderful actress.

I thought she was lovely but as you say she was not utilized. They, also, had two actresses playing the role which I took to mean the original actress was unavailable and not likely to stay. There were scenes, brief though they were, where Bianca had a bit of an edge. I do not think the character needed to be a lead but I think exploring a relationship with Lucinda where they had a fabulous, supportive relationship, enjoyed each other’s company, had fun and were kindreds (as both grew up poor and both were daughters of women who worked as cleaners) would have been a nice contrast to Lucinda’s relationships with the other daughters. Everyone needs a kindred spirit.

Bianca Walsh was by far Lucinda’s best daughter. They were simpatico. She never judged her nor yelled at her. She was 1000% team Lucinda. Usurpers steal her company- on Lucinda’s side. Lucinda lies about Holden’s whereabouts- well she had her reasons. I loved their relationship because it was the only relationship Lucinda possessed by the 90s where she was given complete absolution. Bianca was one of those characters that should have always been around. Bianca was never jealous of Lily. The scenes after Lily divorced Lucinda and Bianca comforted her mom were wonderful.

Same. They seemed at times kindred spirits.

My recollection of the Royce story is he was abused as a child, developed DID and accidentally killed Neal while one of them. After the trial, he was sent to an institution to recover. When he returned integrated, he and Emily resumed their relationship but at their wedding he couldn’t marry her and broke it off. Emily sought comfort with. Craig. I don’t remember many details as I found Royce unappealing even though played by a great actor. It did not make sense to me for Royce and Neal not to tell Lucinda who they were and strangely I think the story was told too quickly.

He left her at the alter.

Definitely a weak ad, but I loved the story and my unpopular opinion will always be that Craig and Lucinda had heat and passion (that I found and still find lacking with him and Sierra) and that they should have had long term affair through the years. And not just such a one-sided obsession as was written for Lucinda toward Craig.

I think Douglass Marland was an incredible storyteller and a writer who cared about the audience, the show, and sought to tell compelling stories. I remember reading an article where when he came aboard the show he went to lunch with Hubbard and asked about her character motivations and that he had planned as early as 1985 to pair Lucinda and John. That type of planning, execution demonstrates his meticulousness. He knew all the players on his chess board and where he wanted them to go years into the future. More soap writers like that would help the genre. But at the same time, with Marland this lead to a rigidity with him where he seemed unable or couldn’t imagine characters with different stories or having different experiences. For example, Lucinda did not need to be so obsessed with Lily - Lily supporting the people who took her company should have been a wake-up call (stop giving her stocks) and how many times even before she knew the truth was Lily whining about wanting Iva as her mom? Allow the character to distance herself from Lily- not stop loving her, but go do whatever she wants because she will never be enough for Lily nor will she ever truly be on her side. Be a full on bitch, Miranda Priestly style. I, also, agree the show seemed to really reflect his experiences and desires and he ran out of ideas. Thus, the Lily/Holden retreads. I like a good dark tale, but when you have joyful characters like Lisa and Lucinda all depressed, that’s a problem.

I know this conversation has been discussed but ATWT was very dark in the early 90s and I find your perspective mirrors mine in some ways. I think the politeness and lack of passion is another thing that hindered my enjoyment of those years. Like with a trial attorney having co-counsel during the trial is immensely helpful, Marland needed someone sharing head-writing duties.

I agree. While I know how popular Marland is, I did not trust his writing and if he had lived I would not have been surprised if he wrote her out.