This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Apparently those who support Obama are too stupid to realize that Hillary is the right canidtae for all americans.

Roman, don't twist my words around. You know exactly what I meant with my post. I clearly meant that there are Obama supporters who have reservations about Hillary and Obama can discuss amongst them why it is okay to support her if he is on the ticket as the VP candidate.

Obama won't lift a finger to help Cinton and she won' lift a finger to help her ,this thing as become a huge mess and if Clinton dosen't quit soon McCain is going to win!

Clinton supporters need to get the fantasy that Obama supporters are going to fall in line and support her ,if you have ever spoken to any of them you would knwo it's not gonna happen.

If Clintons wins and Obama isn't VP McCain wins!

You seem to be negative about everything...There are also a good amount of Clinton supporters who are not committed to Obama because he has not been specific enough about his ideas as president, along with a myriad of other issues. If Obama is the nominee for president without Hillary on the ticket, a good amount of her supporters will go to McCain (28%, according to a recent Gallup poll) and not fall in line for him.

I stated my opinion. When I read your post, you said that he can easily persuade us to vote for her.

To me, that gives off the impression that we fall for his great words, and that we will believe whatever he says, no matter how he says it.

The woman can't tell the truth to save her life.

She is a politician. She, like all of them, do not tell the truth a whole lot and that includes Obama.

Obama says he is anti Iraq and wants to pull out of the nation but also wishes for military action in Pakistan. Would he start a war with them knowing full well we cannot afford it or make it a short lived mission?

I stated my opinion. When I read your post, you said that he can easily persuade us to vote for her.

To me, that gives off the impression that we fall for his great words, and that we will believe whatever he says, no matter how he says it.

Then you misinterpreted my intentions with that post.

That's true.

And I have given you that. But it seems like when it comes to her, whatever she does is blown off because "She's a politician."

I would rather deal with the person who said one thing and will do another (Which is what they all do) instead of a person who has NOW said that she was suffering from sleep deprevation when she lied about her Bosnia trip....

For the 4th time.

I would rather deal with the person who said one thing and will do another (Which is what they all do) instead of a person who has NOW said that she was suffering from sleep deprevation when she lied about her Bosnia trip....

I am not sure if the sleep deprivation was a lie but, being someone who has been sleep deprived before, I can tell you that you have different accounts of what happens. You hallucinate, act goofy, see things that are not there (she obviously could have seen gunfire but there was not). I do not know the entire story behind the Bosnia thing but I think what is more important is looking at positions on issues.

When she actually tells the truth on what she remembers, I'll listen.

Yea I understand. I have no clue why she even felt the need to make comments about Bosnia. It is not as if they are some big threat nowadays to us

I guess the Wright drama is still a huge topic, Obama goes on the View tomorrow and he stated, "Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church," Obama said Thursday during a taping of the ABC talk show, "The View."

You know everyone will be discussing this tomorrow. I think this is a little too late, he should of said this during his speech to make a real impact and I feel its a cop out, because of course you can say you would of left if he stayed but he's retired.lol

Edited March 28, 200817 yr by EricaKane70

I guess the Wright drama is still a huge topic, Obama goes on the View tomorrow and he stated, "Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church," Obama said Thursday during a taping of the ABC talk show, "The View."

You know everyone will be discussing this tomorrow. I think this is a little too late, he should of said this during his speech to make a real impact and I feel its a cop out, because of course you can say you would of left if he stayed but he's retired.lol

IA. He should have jumped on this back then.

I agree that he should have said this in his speech last week (Ryan posted a clip of it here)....I am going to see if I can watch The View tomorrow

Please tell me Bitsy won't be there as well because odds are she will throw out some lame, uneducated, conservative opinions

I love it when people call a politician arrogant. Aren't they all?

IMO they aren't all arrogant. I think there are some that are humble and really want to do the job they set out to do. Some are kind of abrasive and in your face and some come across as very slimey hustlers.

Having both Obama and Clinton on the same ticket might sound ideal to some (certainly not me) and I don't see that as a winning combination. If he aspires to become president then he shouldn't settle. It's been awhile since a former vp was elected president. There's too much of a possibility that something negative would happen while someone is serving as vp that would negatively impact that individual's chances of being elected. People are more inclined to become fed up with the party in charge after two terms so that they alternate in their voting habits.

As far as Obama having a way with words and being able to convince his supporters to fall in line behind Hilary Clinton, I seriously doubt it. People aren't being won over by his words as Hilary Clinton suggests and as seems to be the popular belief. (And yes the suggestion that his words will win people over does potentially come across as insulting people who might support him since it implies that they aren't thinking but merely reacting). People are being won over by HOPE. Yes he uses words to inspire hope but it's an intangible and it's about many things including the idea of change. To those people, Hilary Clinton will never represent change because she's a career politician who is nowhere near as inspirational as he is to them. He has the ability to actually get people to tune in to a state of the union address above what she might do.

She'd be making history being the first female president but women outnumber men in this country and have the ability to vote a woman into office anytime they want to pool together and do it.

Not only do politicians lie every day but ordinary people do it on a regular basis as well. If a person is going to hold themselves up over another as being truthful or having integrity then they should show a whole lot of it themselves. And as for Hilary Clinton "misspeaking," that is a bunch of BS and was a flat out lie. I've been sleep deprived before and I am quite certain that I wouldn't be confused about whether or not I was in the midst of gunfire. If someone ever shoots at you, unless you are traumatized to the extent that you block it out of your mind, you'll remember.

I've been sleep deprived before and I am quite certain that I wouldn't be confused about whether or not I was in the midst of gunfire.

Sometimes, sleep deprivation can coincide with a psychotic break where your light fuse in your brain pretty much turns off. When you come to, you don't remember a thing during the break.

Odds are she was not sleep deprived and remembered clearly what happened to her in Bosnia...I just do not understand why she brought it up when it was unnecessary.

I guess the Wright drama is still a huge topic, Obama goes on the View tomorrow and he stated, "Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church," Obama said Thursday during a taping of the ABC talk show, "The View."

You know everyone will be discussing this tomorrow. I think this is a little too late, he should of said this during his speech to make a real impact and I feel its a cop out, because of course you can say you would of left if he stayed but he's retired.lol

IMO, the reason the pastor issue was brought up on The View is not because it's that huge but because Elizabeth Hasselback brings up something new about Pastor Wright practically every day on their hot topics and basically condemns Obama for not jumping ship because she says she would have left. She also said (in response to a question asked by Whoopi Goldberg) that she would not be afraid if she were walking down the street and six young black men were hanging around on the corner. I think she either lied or wants to believe that she wouldn't because she projects herself as if she takes a higher ground all the time. The problem that I see with her is that she's way too rigid and I say this because I have yet to hear her admit anything that a Republican did was wrong (though she may have).

Whoopi Goldberg also brought up how people had not left the Catholic Church as a result of the molestation scandal and Elizabeth had nothing to say about that because she is more or less intent to remain on her mission to persecute Obama and that's fine and dandy.

One of the reasons that people don't get up and leave churches when certain things happen is because part of the reason they are at church is the social aspect and people aren't going to let the actions of a priest or pastor deter them from communing with their fellow parishioners. How a person conducts his or herself regarding their religious practices (as long as it's not related to any criminal activity such as sacrificing humans), is not the public's business. People really ought not judge people on their religion or spirituality since that is very personal and it doesn't determine whether or not an individual is capable of making good decisions. If Obama is trying to be a good Christian then he would try to help Pastor Wright see the error in his ways instead of ditching him to satisfy people who don't know any better because that is what Jesus would do. If it cost him then he would accept that God determined it not to be his time.

People that insist that he embraces all of the minister's ideas must not think Obama can think for himself. I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion because the man wasn't plotting to overthrow the government or National Security would have been all over him. He expressed anti patriotic statements and if he thinks America is so bad then he ought to try living in another country and he might think differently but his sermon is from 2001 and unless he recently expressed the same things then he is entitled to change his mind. People ought to be raising the issue of why churches are so segregated in the first place.