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A long but honest and really insightful interview with Matalas. The host get some good answers out of him and press on some things. Interesting that one of his biggest regrets is that they thought people would have a better understanding that the Agnes Borg were different than the mainline Borg but that he realises now it was confusing to a lot of people. Also mentions that he wishes they'd included the line about Kestra's whereabouts in the last two episodes since he thought people would get she was safe but it ended up not really landing that way for some of the audience. Touches a lot on stuff they wanted to do. He goes deep on Naomi and it sounds like he wants to circle back to that again and that it came down to doing that scene vs something like Daystrom Station and one had to go. Has ideas for Alexander and all the TNG kids. They were hedging their bets on hoping it'd work out for Janeway but the clock and money ran out. Tuvok was always meant to be involved. Has a backstory on Vadic and the Borg Queen. I thought it was interesting also that he doesn't want to give away too much about his ideas for what happened in the aftermath of Frontier Day in case he's able to pick that up again. Really interesting that he says Gates McFadden was down for whatever ideas they threw at her where as Michael Dorn and Levar Burton had very specific ideas about where they wanted their characters to be at. Also worth mentioning that at the end he says he has a deal with CBS/Paramount but then kind of back away from wanting to say more and won't touch on what that means. All in all, a really interesting listen.

I heard like thirdhand that GH had tried to get people back for the anniversary and that what they were offering, outside of Jane Elliot and Emma Samms, was basically like a one day cameo during the Nurse's Ball lol. Sort of in the vein of whatever is was they brought Emma and Milo back for when Epiphany died or whatever the recent Helena appearance was. Just a drive by to say hey for like five minutes.

GH needs to memory hole or have a bomb go off and get rid of anyone under 18 not named Jake, Aidan, Leo, and Georgie. Donna too I guess given the real life connection. those other kids of Maxie's, Charlotte, Esme's baby, Scout, Danny, Avery, Michael and Willow's kids, Violet, Rocco- bye! Who at GH thought Maxie, Sam, and Willow all needed multiple [!@#$%^&*] kids?

You're right. It did involve Scully somehow too. Lucy was the decoy and they snatched her for some reason. I'd forgotten about Scully being part of all that lol. I'd blocked all that out. There was also some mess involving Damian faking his death and framing Katherine at one point. I think that was yet another story that ended in hijinks with Lucy, Mac, Kevin, and Luke going to some hacienda spa to find him and bringing him back to Port Charles. Something in that vein. This was right before he died I think.

I had totally forgotten there was a third Justus, whew. That was a bad recast. I'd welcome back the original actor still, even if he's a little weird in his beliefs. Speaking of the Damian talk from before, didn't Damian kidnap Lucy? Someone like that. I swear I remember there being one of those stupid hijinks stories where Luke, Sonny, Mac, and Kevin had to go get Lucy cause Damian had snatched her from somewhere. Or maybe it was one of the mob bosses Sonny was involved with it during that era when Luke, Lucy, and Sonny owned that club together and were tight.

Kind of long and not anything super new but interesting podcast where Terry Matalas talks more about how that Covid, money, and filming logistics kept them from using characters like Janeway, Soji, Kira, Harry Kim, Kestra, and Ro for a second time. Sounds like working with basically only four sets meant they had to go smaller than what they wanted and really think about whether some of those scenes would work and how to get those characters involved. When they realised most of them didn't make sense or they couldn't afford to build another set to make it work, the scenes got cut. Vibes with another interview I heard where he said they kept mentioning Janeway and Kestra because the audience and the story obviously needed those beats but held off mentioning other people so the audience didn't get bogged down in people they weren't going to see or didn't know. I know he mentioned in this somewhere else also, but it sounds though like they did try to get the second Ro appearance to happen but just couldn't figure it out money wise or get Michelle Forbes back. Also this is from right before the finale, but a podcast where Jonathan Frakes sounds super optimistic about Legacy and seems to float the idea or assumes that cast would be Seven and Raffi with the TNG kids (other than Soji) with appearances from the TNG cast and characters from that era.

I feel like this is good news? or at least a good hint.

I assume a lot of the stuff they never got around on this season will pop up on Legacy, if/when it happens. Maybe not the Ro stuff onscreen since that would have probably require more than what Michelle Forbes wants, but the rest for sure I could see happening. Shelby, whatever he had in mind with Kira, the Naomi and Seven reunion, Captain Harry Kim. That's all stuff I could definitely seeing being touched on. Still holding out though on Janeway getting her on thing hopefully. Reading a lot of the finale interviews with the TNG actors. Most of them seem keen on the Legacy idea and them making one off appearances here and there. Frakes especially seems to really want his kid to be on the ship and for his idea of being the admiral they have to check in with every once in a while to be a thing lol, along with Deanna being there as the counselor they have to visit. I think that could be fun. I was surprised to see Brent Spiner floating the idea of having Data and Soji meeting onscreen at some point and that he was hoping for that to happen in the future. I know Soji wasn't anybody's favourite but I wouldn't mind a one off meeting onscreen at some point.

Katherine was annoying and unneeded but she was mostly fine when she was scamming the Quartermaines. Again not that it was needed but I remember her and Lucy being fun when they'd fight. Her and Damian were sort of amusing when they were together and just being pests to Lucy, Kevin, Mac, and Felicia. Her and Lois fighting over Ned lead to some good stuff. Mac and her were ridiculous as a couple even though I remember her being nice to Robin and that being some good stuff for the both of them. Things went off the deep end when she got involved in the Cassadine mess and started going off the parapet once a year. Since her best "relationship" was with Lucy and there was the Scott/Dominique/Serena connection, I always wondered why they didn't stick her over on Port Charles too. That would have been better in the long run than that mess with her, Stefan, and Alexis.

Fair. I haven't watched Voyager in years, and want to do a rewatch soon, but I always remember enjoying them as kid even though it just seemed a budget version of Deanna and Riker lol. I'd probably have a somewhat different opinion as an adult. Yeah, I feel like the success of Picard and if the Michelle Yeoh movie hits, then that would open stuff up for a Janeway series or movie and definitely a DS9 movie. I know there'd be no Odo and I doubt Avery Brooks would appear, but I think the rest of them would be up for a movie. Totally agreed. I think 13/14 episodes is a good sweet spot for stuff like this. There were definitely a few things in Picard this season that could have used an extra episode or two to breathe and some stuff they could have touched on more if they had a few more episodes.

Yeah I could see both of them popping up on there. I love Kira like everyone else and would have been excited to see her here. I do think though she's somebody that would be better served on something like Legacy thought where they could make her the focus and give her arc for an episode or two. I feel like any Picard appearance would have just been a drive by to talk to Worf or to pop up in battle. Captain Harry Kim has to happen at some point too lol. It's too good. Molly and Kirayoshi are really good ideas. I'd love to see Molly, especially since she was technically born on TNG. Kirayoshi would read too since the Legacy kids are a little female heavy outside of Jack and I guess Alexander. I totally blanked on the second Sisko kid, but yeah, I don't think he'd in Starfleet either. A great article about why they used Deanna and Riker to save the day in the end-

@Vee No I didn't lol. Funny though since I had thrown her and I think the Paris daughter out there a few weeks ago as kids that could appear on Legacy if they wanted to expand outside of TNG. She was kind of annoying on Voyager but I think that would be an interesting relationship to see between Seven and her as an adult. The idea of her being a space pirate is a fun idea. I know everyone is all in on Legacy being the TNG kids and the Titan/Enterprise crew of course. But I do wonder if they'd want to bring on anyone from DS9 or Voyager in the mix. Are there even any DS9 kids out there other than Jake? He's not even in Starfleet though. Great stuff in the AMA. Poor Ro and Shelby really are going to live on forever in those books lol. Also, since I was talking about it the other day, I've been running through the episodes again with my husband so he can watch the finale and I totally missed that they tossed out a few other Kestra references outside of the first episode and when Troi and Riker talk about her when they're kidnapped. I guess I totally skipped over him mentioning her to Jack or that Jack mentions her and Deanna to Picard when he wants to give himself up to Vadic. My bad lol!

Yeah, I realised it was probably a makeup thing after I posted it lol. I'm just glad they used her voice. Oh yeah, I was always assuming they'd recast her for whatever spinoff plans they have if they used her long term. That actress was a gem though I thought. I just saw the Ro plans and some of the other plans. I wish that had happened as well, but I get it with money constraints. I'm happy with what we got either way.

Yeah, maybe I wasn't in the right mood for it last time, but after having some mixed feelings about the previous episode, I was a mess this whole time. Basically the best finale they could have come up with. Wild to think that TNG and Picard basically both ended with pitch perfect finales. Some thoughts-

I didn't look! I want to be surprised about anything big also! I just have seen that they're out there. Everything I saw was super mild or expected and just the stuff in the reaction tweets.

Fair lol! I couldn't tell you which ones he directed tbh. I just saw a lot of praise for his work on there on twitter and that people were excited he got the job.

Section 31 got deeply irritating after awhile but I usually like Discovery more often than not so this works for me. I'm super interested in this, mostly because of Michelle Yeoh and just it being Trek in general. This idea works better as a movie anyway and I feel like these types of movies are the type of thing they should be focused on anyway film wise. They got who I think most fans agree is best director they have TV wise shooting it, so that's a plus. I'll be interested to see who they pull talent wise for the rest of the cast. I'm sure there's a lot of people who wouldn't mind being in a film with her or doing Star Trek but weren't interested in signing up for a series. This also presumably frees up a spot tv wise which I'm guessing most fans are hoping is the Legacy/25th century show. I think they should focus on the shows moving the franchise forward. If they want to do these reunions or circle back to old ideas for a bit, they can do one of this movies for Paramount Plus.

Specific finale spoilers have started to appear online. I had a couple sprung on me unexpectedly (not anything people couldn't guess already), but apparently there are more detailed ones floating around out there including stuff about Avoid all that if you don't want to accidentally see anything. More generally though, people that got to see the episode are posting their vague reactions. Seems really positive and like they end things on a hopeful and heartwarming note. Also seems that there's some really good stuff

Every time I click on a Terry Matalas tweet, I see a bunch of the Troi fans shouting and arguing lol, or at least I did before she showed up. It's like kay. For whatever reason, I get a lot of the Seven and Raffi stans on my for you tab and there are....some interesting takes for sure. I don't really mean anyone being negative about Beverly's story. It's just a lot of fan girls lusting over her and there seem to be a lot of them lol. I took a peak over at the TrekBBS boards once earlier this season and peaced out after. The fighting was just too much. I peak at Reddit sometime and the relies are surprisingly positive. I'm happy with the response as well and I'm sure they are too. I hope they can seriously get a new 25th century show going with Seven.

They've been loud and aggressive as hell on Twitter and in other places for weeks now lol. The Picard hashtag is a mess half the time between them, the Beverly stan army, and the Saffi fans. I do think people, both her stans and others, need to realise that her saying she's disappointed about a few thing doesn't equal she's mad and never coming back to Trek. Just looking around, she was one of the ones saying she'd love to come back for more before the season aired. I know some of that is promoting the show, but I doubt most of these people would turn down more down the line. Like I said and you have said, sure it would have been nice for there to be more- same with everyone!- but I've thought she's been used well more or less. But yeah, I feel like a lot of these legit minor complaints people have could have just been solved by tossing in a line or two or adding five minutes in here or there. I can take or leave the Raffi and Seven romance myself, but I feel like people wouldn't be flooding the timeline and comments with questions about it if they'd just thrown something more in the dialogue other than "we broke up". Same with all the other minor things that could have used a line or two. If there's no Janeway, then idk. They've been mentioning her pretty consistently through the season so it'd be a real miss for me if she's not there. Kate Mulgrew is so tied up with Trek again these days that I can't imagine she'd turn it down. I agree with the Star Trek VI comparisons. Like I mentioned, the Riker/Deanna stuff, Crusher/Picard, Crusher on her own, the Data/Lore scenes, and all that have made this worth it to me and given me what I was looking for. I wasn't aware that was going on lol. I enjoyed a lot of the first season- the aforementioned Kestra and Laris, the more world weary Picard, Raffi, getting Seven roped into the TNG crew. The second...was what it was but I'm willing to chalk that up to covid and move along. I think Alison Pill is brilliant but that character never did much for me and I can't say I've missed her. I enjoyed Rios to a point and again, think he's a great actor, but that character kind of ran his course. There's no point in Rios when you have Riker and Worf back. I had forgotten all about Soji and Elnor till I noticed people complaining about their whereabouts. I just don't care and the last thing this season needed was more bodies just standing around taking up space. I don't think it's some conspiracy. They had a chance to get the original crew back and took it. I don't know how they were supposed to use any of them in this current story. Raffi obviously survived based on the Seven connection, being a veteran actress, and someone they could slot in with the original crew. I'm not sure what people would want from idk Agnes and Elnor this season.

@Vee Reading it back, my post came off as way harsher than I intended, cause we agree basically and I hear you! There's only so much they can do. Obviously I wish, and I think most people do, that they all get a little more but I think they've all been used about the best they can. It's a lot of people to run through and get stuff done for. I have high hopes for the finale since they all seem excited about it. I thought the scenes with her and Jack this episode were great as well. I've gotten extremely tired of Data recently, but I've thought his scenes the past two episodes where excellent as well. It's hard to complain when what they are getting in the time allowed is overall extremely good. That kind of why I'm wary of any big VOY/DS9 cameos outside of Janeway hopefully and Tuvok again at this point. The time for that was earlier in the season and anybody like that in the finale would just by a drive by and taking away from the TNG cast. Like sure it'd be nice to see people like Kira (just to throw out a name I see a lot of people clamouring for), but I'd rather they have something good for her in another show than her showing to say "hey guys!" for five minutes in the middle of a battle. I know other wanted more big names, but I've been happy the cameos so far have been very TNG centric or related back to Seven. As for Kestra, she was just fresh on my mind cause I've seen so much complaining about it today in other places. I wasn't expecting to see her or get a 15 minute info dump, but it was just a little odd to me that they didn't seem more concerned. It's just kind of in the same weird area like Raffi & Seven's romance, people wanting Worf to mention Dax and Alexander (lol), Laris, and whatever else. It's like you said, I don't know why were not getting five or ten minutes add somewhere where they could have added this stuff into the conversation instead of people then freaking out on twitter and them having to come up with answers in interviews. Tossing just a line or two more in some of these scenes could have solved a lot of these issues, even though they're obviously super minor in the scheme of things. People could also be jumping to conclusions ahead of time cause who knows what happens in the finale. It is super odd how short some of these have been considering the other shows go to an hour on the regular. I do think though overall this has been a fantastic season and I applaud what they've done. Like I said, if this is it, then I'm happy with the send off and what they pulled off. Stuff like the Riker and Deanna scenes, the Picard and Crusher stuff, Data and Lore combing, Ro, and the last 15 minutes of the last episode made this all worth it to me.

So this episode, like the last episode, had some incredible highs and a few real lows. First off with the positive- the last 15 minutes were electric. From the voice, to the set, to the whole vibe. I was a mess. I thought the cameo was fantastic and the exact kind of callback this show should be doing instead of a parade of VOY/DS9 main characters like some people have been wishing for. I thought I called the villain last week Overall, barring some horrible story collapse next episode and them all dying (I don't really see any of them dying now), I'm very satisfied with what we've got. Seeing them all together has been a gift and I like that the show seems to be setting them up to be in a hopeful place. I assume we'll see cameos here and there from them on places like Lower Decks and if they continue on with the 25th century, but I think this is it for them as a group. If so, I'm happy with what we've gotten. Now the bad. I've been noticing this coming up more and more in places and people calling it out and I have to agree- what's up with the weirdness about them almost retconning out Riker and Deanna's daughter. If Riker hadn't mentioned her for a second those time times, I'd assume she didn't exist anymore. It's especially glaring when they've spent the previous eight episodes going on and on about their dead son. I've seen people guessing they didn't want to focus on her too much because it didn't fit with the vibe they set up this season that they've been severely depressed over the son all these years (again, hate that they ruined the season 1 episode about that but alas) and the daughter kind of ruins that. However, this is the second or third time this season they've felt like they were close to death and...crickets from either of them. It's a bad look overall. Terry Matalas giving interviews saying they cut out a line from the last episode about her joining Starfleet makes it even worse because you'd think they'd be worried about but again, nothing. Plus Riker said he left to come with Picard earlier this season so he could give her and Deanna space. If she was away in Starfleet, then she's already getting space from him. I'm not saying we needed to see her in person but more concrete mention would have been nice but instead it looks like Riker and Deanna can't be bothered. Second, I have my doubts they can wrap up this Borg stuff in a way that doesn't feel rushed but I'll be happy to be surprised. Also, if the stuff with Riker last week is really the highlight of Deanna's material this season, then I can't help but side with Marina on being disappointed with how it all shook out for her this season. Where was she when all of them were gathering to discuss Jack or during any of that? She's the one that realised what was up and then she's just gone till it's time to leave on the shuttle? It's very odd. Hoping though her and the rest all get a great send off next week and that they keep the momentum from the ending and stick the landing.

I was a mess during this whole episode lol. The Riker and Deanna stuff, Data and Lore, and then of course the ending. The Worf rescuing Riker and Deanna bit was gold. I'm ready for the last two episodes of them together and I feel it'll be super satisfying, but now that they're all together, I don't want it to end. Glad Marina came in as strong as everyone else has been. I know its been a wait, but I was happy with her stuff this episode and I think the last two are going to be strong for everyone. Surprised that was the end of Amanda Plummer so soon, but she was really great the past two episodes and got a lot to chew on. She definitely sold me on the creepy vibe she had going while also being terrified of whoever her boss is. @Vee I agree on the cliffhanger. I feel like we should have at least had an idea what was up an episode or two ago. The Ready Room preview clip shows that The description for the last two episodes makes me think we're in for some cameos, both ship wise and character wise. I'll be interested to see who outside of

I mean, fair! I always kind of enjoyed Tom and B'Elanna tbh but I get it! I think a crew of the TNG kids, Seven, Shaw, and some new faces would be a good group to start with. To be fair about Marina, judging by the clips people have posted, I think her big disappointment was that kind of silly flashback of her basically being a frazzled mother and that she wasn't included in the action a little bit earlier. If she's happy with the Riker/Deanna stuff, whatever it is they get about their kids, and her stuff in the last few episodes, then I think most of the fans will be too. They've all been hyping it up so I have high hopes. I didn't love the flashback either but I thought they did a good job working her in as best as they could with what was going on. Honestly, I feel like that character was a bit fucked when they decided to do a changeling story since she'll obviously be able to spot who is and isn't one and they can't just have her hanging around being like "oops there's a changeling!" with the story they're doing. Totally fait about DSC and that era. I like the idea of it just in general but I also love your idea of setting it even further back and going wild. I'll be interested to see what they do. As for Geordi, I agree that that was a bit of a misstep. I know there wasn't really a way to get him involved faster but I do thing it dragged out a bit and there being no word on when he'd appear was kind of weird. Honestly though, I've had enough of Data/Lore/whoever to last a lifetime so I don't mind him not appearing for a while lol.

@Vee I'm really interested in that Starfleet Academy show, especially since it seems to be set in the 32nd century. I like the idea of that show, which could free of canon restrictions, and then whatever Titan/Legacy show they possibly come up with for the 25th century. I'm so interested in crew they'd use for a Titan/Legacy show. I saw Terry Matalas say that it'd be Seven and then all the kids of the TNG cast basically but I'd love if they threw in like one of O'Brien's kids, Tom Paris and B'Elanna's daughter, or even Naomi from Voyager into the group. Anyway, about Picard, the last two episodes have been really killer. I enjoyed the first season and the second season was whatever, but this has really been a step up and exactly what I was wanting out of a project like this. I've always loved Beverly too and seeing her get a chance to shine like this has been a dream. About the Deanna thing, I've heard the truth is probably a little of both. I know she's been going around at cons saying she was available for than ended up using her, even though she didn't want to be in the US for the whole shoot, and that she was disappointed they didn't find a way to work her in the first half better. The show says she was only available for two months. Whatever the case is, it sounds like she's the main focus of the last three and that everyone, including Marina, is happy about her part in what she gets. I don't think anyone has seen the last two, but my friend has seen the next one and says the Riker and Deanna stuff is the best she's ever seen from them and that it's heartfelt, emotional, and really heartwarming and nice. I'm looking forward to it.