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@Chris B Thanks for the Peacock info! Re: Luann, I definitely hear her voice in a lot of the press reports. Honestly, I think all the women are briefing against each other, and production is leaking like crazy too. One reason I was looking forward to reunion! But if Luann is holding out from returning to the US to film reunion, that is bad news for her. Bravo never likes an ultimatum. And it's also a damn shame if we lose Luann. Personally I'm not looking for subtractions from the RHONY cast -- only additions.

I'm glad Nene is thriving because she does put in the work. Even though Nene can be a terror when grumpy, and demands that everyone kiss her ring at all times, I think Nene was right to demand some respect from Bravo. She helped build the RH brand and took RHOA into the millions with its ratings. IMO she is the missing link with All-stars 2! Certainly she belongs there a lot more than Eva. Speaking of All-stars 1 -- when is that being screened? September? Maybe after Peacock screens it, Bravo will show it between the end of RHONY and beginning of NJ. A nice segue between the two Tri-state franchises. As for RHONY reunion... Last week Ramona was on WWHL with Kristin Chenoweth (probably WWHL's highest rated episode of the season, btw). Andy specifically asked her if she was attending reunion, and she specifically said she always fulfills work obligations and yes she would. Certainly from Andy and Bravo's side, it sounded like reunion is happening. Ramona is not resisting it. RHOD had a two-part reunion with lower ratings. Even this season OC which was a season of nothingness got a reunion. So I don't understand why RHONY wouldn't. If no reunion is happening, that says to me that RHONY isnt just in trouble -- it is cancelled, and I'd be seriously shocked if it had reached that point. Not with Rihanna tweeting about her favourite franchise, lol. Not with viable OGs still bringing it when necessary (Sonja every episode, Luannah Carey's Christmas mv, etc). I have to wonder if we will get another break one of these weeks which pushes the RHONY schedule forward? RHONY should be the easiest reunion to put together logistically because they + Andy are all in NYC. Just pick a studio and deck it out. I still say Luann will be back from Switzerland by early September, Ramona too, and I'm going to pick a date: Thursday 2nd September will be when they film. Or Thursday 9th September if Labor Day plans interfere (Andy in Fire Island, etc). Giving Bravo about a week to edit.

Talk about overrated. Was Sheree unavailable?! Would have loved to see Sheree. But really the biggest omission is Nene. I would love to see her interact with Vicki, for some reason. Bravo should have called her up, asked for bygones to be bygones, and offered her this. Lol. In the words of Britney, you know that you're

Bingo! IA with your whole post but especially the bolded. They are trying to walk the tightrope between looking like great besties to Erika while not getting hit by the backsplash as she trips and falls. Such fake friendships on BH. That has long bothered me. Where are the stakes in such 'friendships'? And something else that has long bothered me -- the rush to play victim in order to cast someone else as villain. For a bunch of ridiculously privileged women, the Coven cries buckets and uses the language of victimhood BY FAR the most across all the franchises. (The casts of other RH shows boohoo nowhere near as much about the wrongs done to them. Except maybe Jen Shah). Think back to season 8, Kyle wailing like a damn banshee about LVP favoring Dorit and not being a good bestie. She really dug deep into the tears and victim-speak. (In hindsight, it was a last-ditch effort to shove LVP off the show before the S9 all-cast effort). I am worried for Garcelle and Sutton, because this inner circle is going to throw a lot of sh!t and mud and blame at them. Rinna on WWHL this week sourly sneered at Sutton and deeply, bitterly despises Garcelle. Like LVP-level hate. Rinna doesn't rest until she annihilates people. Look at how obsessed she is with Denise on social media this year. I just want my girls Garcelle and Sutton to stay strong and win through against that nasty nutcase! 😅 I haven't seen evidence of Kyle vs Erika yet, but if that happens... it shifts the whole show! Because she will be going against Rinna, Erika and Dorit. (Though I'm sure Terri is whispering tender words of support & encouragement as I type).

CM really has no lips. It's disconcerting. How I wish BM was coming back. Bet KeMo does too. I guess 'Terra' [(c) Michelle Stafford] is being written out, huh. Murder mystery?

Hot take? Jen Shah mini-me.

Part Deux of that trailer is below. I really, really dislike that no-neck troll Jen Shah. Once again screaming and jabbing two-inch press-ons in people's faces. Get out of here with that sh!t. Why is no-one bringing up the leaked footage of her verbally abusing the designer? When Meredith turned and said "WHO IS CALLING WHO A FRAUD?" I got chills! Yessh Meredith Marksh! Heather once again desperate to be Jen Shah's BFF. Girl, she is going to use you and throw you away like Kleenex. I didn't need to see Whitney covered in mud being spanked by her husband. Too little Lisa Barlow in this trailer IMO. Mary and the cult. We knew it was coming.

100%.

@Taoboi Well, I can't wait until you get to episodes 11 and 12 when the Erika narrative hits a wall. Interesting that you see Kyle and Rinna as throwing Erika under the bus in their VTs, given what comes up in the next two epis. I, too, often see Kyle saying one thing on camera and another in the VTs. Dorit also. That may indicate that a few of The Coven are hedging their bets. However, I am also going by how some of them have been acting on WWHL in recent weeks. Kyle carefully did not say one word against Erika, which is what you would expect -- she likes to be seen as a Good Friend/Nice Person. Rinna was 100% Team Erika on Wednesday's WWHL. So instead of edging away from the dumpster fire, in public, these two have closed ranks around their friend (I still say ally, but whatev). Kyle and Dorit have long played that game where they pretend to be pals with everyone and don't really express an opinion at first and collect info from both sides. They also play to what they think the audience wants to hear in their VTs. Dorit played an incredible game of this last season where she was literally leading the toast at the end as the 'neutral voice.' That is crazy to me! Come reunion, Kyle usually has collected enough information to throw someone under the bus. You best believe that anything Garcelle and Sutton are saying to Kyle is going straight to The Coven (I know it's ridiculous and childish that I am calling this made-for-TV friendship group The Coven, but they really do operate as a tag-team/unit when reunion approaches). IMO Garcelle and Sutton are going to be the targets. Speaking of reunion, how many more episodes do we have? BH have done a great job of sustaining mystery and suspense over 12 episodes, but I'm about ready for them to land this plane in the next 4 episodes or so.

And she was on WWHL right afterwards wearing what can only be described as clown sunglasses. Rinna on WWHL clearly thinks she is the most hilarious person on earth, and that she is very meta and 'playing the game.' What is also clear is that she really hates Garcelle. Because Garcelle sees right through her to her inauthentic, hollow core. As for the episode, Rinna and Erika were setting Garcelle up. Rinna in particular is desperate to make Garcelle look like the bad guy, so she jumped all over this opportunity. But it fell flat, because Garcelle actually did not bring up this particular info to be deliberately shady. And also because Rinna and Erika are piss-poor actors. Rinna was literally looking over her shoulder to make sure the cameraman caught her hugging Erika. Meanwhile, everything about Erika has long felt performative, like she's reciting from a script, but this episode it was like she was auditioning for Dark Shadows. Also Sutton bringing up her doubts to the group -- uh oh. You in danger, girl. The Coven is going to use that against her all the way into reunion.

I know, I made some tough cuts. Sonja is a shoo-in, as is Ramona, some would argue Porsha, too, or maybe even Sheree. Or Danielle Staub. Or Shannon? Heck, maybe Kyle shouldn't be left out either (she's just so schmoozey with other RHs, though, ugh). Would love for the RHOP ladies included, but for the first All-Stars, I think it should be the shows that started it all -- OC, NY, ATL, NJ, BH.

If they had been serious about it being All-Stars, i.e. the greatest RHs of all time, the lineup should have been: Bethenny Jill Teresa Caroline LVP Brandi (I said what I said -- refuse to put Kyle in the category of greatness) Nene Kenya Vicki Tamra. Who do you think is the East Coast HW around which All-Stars 2 is being built? Bethenny? Nene? Gizelle?

So I haven't watched the episode yet. But I have seen the brief moment Blow-Up Doll Dorit decided to break her vow of silence and opine (below). "All my best maids and nannies have been multicultural/dark-skinned!" That's her ode to racial equality? Dorit, STFU and worry about the fact that Louis Vuitton has now blocked your ass from buying their stuff. Allegedly.

Couldn't have said it better myself. 👏 This is exactly how I feel about both the episode and RHONY"s future. In ATL news.... I'm not sure why she did this, but she's certainly gambling big on Simon. Rinna the Enforcer trying to intimidate anyone who doesn't sign off on Erika's narrative. Glad Garcelle is standing up to that BS.

@Soaplovers If Dorinda comes back, Ramona is almost guaranteed an apple. Ramona is the only one Dorinda hasn't kept in touch with, and given that they were once close friends for so long, this is definitely RHONY"s prime rivalry for next season.

Count me in as someone who hated the Langan years. The same stories going around in circles. The teenie boppers. Was Langan responsible for the alien twins? Because that's about when I decided to tune out. DH played John Black as perpetually on the point of orgasm. Primal Man sending out ultra-powerful pheromones to the good females of Salem. Deidre Hall literally played Marlena as almost unable to stay upright in his musk-laden presence, so it worked. I feel like the John-Kristen scene was more romance-novel swoony than sexual, but god bless the early 90s soaps for giving us viewers the goods! We did not know how good we had it until prim moralising and cost-cutting forced soaps to abandon meaningful love scenes which could fill up a whole episode! I honestly think this is a major reason why Daytime shed viewers in the last two decades: they just didn't want to put in the work when it came to couples and romance and love scenes. Days was a master at this!

Yes, I remember. NB did his best to hype it as the most ground-breaking thing ever produced. I did think she was trying to cash in on her newfound fanbase.

Thank you for filling in the missing pieces of my very soap-like amnesia! Suddenly I'm remembering Jen and Peter together, and Billie's dream. Night Sins was definitely the pièce de la résistance, with Carly leaving Bo for 'Larry' in dramatic fashion, and of course the Titan conference room table which will never not be iconic.

I know Santa Barbara was on its last legs by this point (maybe cancellation was already a done deal), but this is still 100 times more luxurious set-wise than most soaps today! Also, I think Eileen Davidson and Charles Grant had a lot of chemistry. This is definitely swoony, romantic early-90s soapiness. I kind of love it!

I think with GL ending, CC was definitely working her fanbase, especially her LGBQT fans, and I remember here on SON there was some distaste expressed about that. I do admire that she got into producing, though, and looked into other avenues to expand her career. I also remember Nelson Branco being a massive supporter of CC. OH that TV Guide ad! This really takes me back! My parents would get TV Guide at the supermarket and then my brother and I would pour over it for ages to figure out what TV shows, soaps and movies to watch. I loved these kind of ads, especially for Daytime soaps and Movies of the Week! They were actually very effective marketing when you think about it. I'm sure somebody already posted this on this thread, but here is the episode when Sami told Marlena she knew what she and John did on the Titan conference room table! Also lots of John moaning with Kristen. Good times.

Glad I didn't keep up with Maggie the circus performer. From the very beginning, the part felt very ill-conceived for CC, and the interaction with JdP awkward. She did go on to GL where she regained a popularity CC grabbed with both hands (and a much-talked-about L-Word-esque web-soap). Re: Winter Heat. I blacked out on the Carrie/Austin stuff (snore), but I do remember Vivian getting admitted into the same mental hospital Laura was. Something about springing her, and then showing up at Victor & Kate's wedding and stopping the wedding? Anyhoo, the mental hospital was run by an evil doctor and his acolytes who sensed that Vivian was a troublemaker, so they decided to lobotomize her. They put her to sleep, shaved her head and prepared to drill into her skull with some buzzsaw tool (cue closeup of tool inching closer to Vivian's scalp). Luckily, Ivan saved the day, got her awake, and he and a bald Vivian (!!) went to free Laura. The vengeful head of the loony bin decided this was a good time to set fire to the place. If I recall, Vivian sprang all the inmates out of the place before it could burn to the ground. Because, her people. It was wild. I'm pretty sure JER must have written this because it was just SO campy. I remember Never Say Never (honestly, this Bond film title) being promoted and repeated all over the place, and as a soap fan I really wanted to watch it, but I just never got around to it! I do recall something about Dee saying Jane did her hair all the time, which I thought was cute. Shame they aren't close anymore.

I just want to say that I have been lurking on this thread the past few days, unable to comment because of work, but lapping up this walk down memory lane. I started watching Days in the late 80s, and the whole Patch & Kayla era, and later got into Carly, Lawrence Alamain, RKK!Bo and Billie. I have VERY fond memories of that time. Carly was my fave heroine, but hey, at least now I know why she and Sabatino -- who had played a great psychopath on Knot's Landing years before -- were written off the show! I remember CC later landed up on OLTL afterwards playing an ex-nun I think? Anyway I tried watching, but the anti-chemistry between her and James DePaiva was too great. Also remember the Days Primetime specials One Stormy Night and Night Sins! Everyone I knew watched those and screamed through them. Literally Must-Watch TV. Never watched Never Say Never; The Deidre Hall Story but I remember it being advertised. Also I need to know what the gossip is about Dee and Shane/Jane. Is it what I think it is?

#La Comtesse was in Paris?? Her natural habitat? Production should be dispatched to France ASAP to film her every move (also, one-half of Victoria and Noel's extended de Lesseps family live over there). Then they could have screened it and I would have been salivating over the locations! Haven't seen yesterday's episode but I'm feeling scared, lol. I did see QuaranLeah insisting on being there via Zoom which... 😬 After hearing Dorinda on Danny Pellegrino's podcast, there is little doubt in my mind that she will be back. She's definitely aiming for a kinder, gentler Dorin this time, but you realise how much she brings to the show. And I can't believe I'm going to say this... I am going to deeply regret these words, I know it... but I guess bring Bethenny back as a Dorinda ally. As long as the show doesn't become The Bethenny Show, Sponsored by Skinnygirl (Also Starring Other Great Housewives We Edited Down to Make Room for Bethenny Narrating Everything). This is an ensemble cast and that's what I want to see.

Had to post this. Back in 2010, before she got the BH gig, Rinna and Harry Hamlin had their own reality show on TVLand called Harry Loves Lisa. Here they are hawking it on Today with Hoda and Kathie Lee. And suddenly a call comes in during the interview that their clothing store "in the Valley" (thanks Kathie Lee) is being robbed. Hoda and Kathie Lee's faces are priceless. They really are not feeling them.