Cat

I have called out Kenya when I feel she is instigating trouble (like last week when she was all up Cynthia and Porsha's case) and in no way view her as a saint, but last night's episode the blame has to fall on Thug Glen. Snapping your fingers playfully at someone ONCE, hours before, does not warrant being lunged at with intent to punch. It made me sad to see some of the other women put the onus of blame on the woman, as per usual. The thot brigade were more concerned about getting laid and that the incident put paid to that for the night. The fact is, Glen was looking to start something with Kenya, and he got threatening with both Kim and Kandi (Kandi being pregnant and all. No wonder Todd wanted her out of there). Even Tammy, coked out her her tree, understood that it was time for Glen to leave when Kandi, Kenya, Cynthia and Kim talked to her about it. Speaking of Tammy, when Porsha opened the door to her in her hospital gown with the two guys in tow, it was like a scene from a horror film with Tammy looking like the neighborhood bloodthirsty maniac. Glen is clearly not her nephew, more like her pusher. No wonder she didn't get a peach. Phaedra trying to liken Glen to Mike Brown as he was held back by Bravo security after he knocked Tammy out was disgusting. She will do anything to make Kenya take the blame for all this, and it just reflects badly on her and look even more shady than she already does.

Sing For You IS bland and I wasn't sure if I liked it (and I'm still not sure how I feel about the album which is more lowkey than EXO's usual albums). However, it is a grower, and yesterday night I couldn't get it out of my head. I think it is beautiful, and it really showcases Chen's vocals (although everybody got a bit to sing) -- and, upon another listening, D.O.'s vocals (he is one of my favorite vocalists in kpop). I love how it exposes the vocal line so it is just their voices and the guitar. SHINEE teaser! It looks and sounds pretty good! And OMG my fave Key is giving major eye fuckage for the 0.02 secs of teaser time he got. OTOH I could do without Taemin's pink hair. I heard that IKON had some great vocalists but they just do not get the coverage that Bobby or BI get. Part of this is kpop strategy -- use only one or two members initially to draw in the audience and not confuse them with too many others. Later, if the group is a hit, fans will warm to the other members. It has worked in the past and I think Junhoe is definitely getting noticed in IKON fan circles, so hopefully his status will grow and grow. I could use this paragraph to make a comment about blatant YG favoritism for the rappers but I won't, lol. BTW, I have been on a 2NE1 mv viewing frenzy recently. I really miss them. I also would love if CL went back to brown hair like she had in Missing You. GO Beast! I wonder if they will be releasing Christmas material.

And yet... STILL NO COMEBACK. YG is such an !@#$%^&*]! EXO released their winter mini album, Sing For You. Here is the title mv for it. IT's a very simple ballad but I like it.

I can't believe I am saying this, but IA with Kandi in that interview ^. When she was recounting the story to Carmon and Don Juan, she was pretty shady painting it as Poor Porsha/Bad Cynthia. But she is right here ^ in that Cynthia shouldn't have started getting petty over the Bitch word. However, Porsha should have acted like a human being. Porsha resorting to physical fighting underscores how she cannot fight back with words so she goes with fists. I don't think she even has anger management issues as much as 'This is going to make me look BOSS' issues. Porsha thinks she is about the thug life but she really isn't. And it's a shame because, dumb as she is, I have been enjoying her this season up until now. I thought that she and Cynthia handled the apologies well and I am beyond relieved this will not become a SL dominating the rest of the season. Kandi was putting Kenya in her place. Kenya used this fight to burnish her crown/halo and make it all about her but Kandi and Kim were having none of that. I think Kenya lowkey liked the fact that Porsha was on the outs with Cynthia. BTW Kandi looks beautiful in her VTs. Gosh I can't believe I am complimenting Shady Kandi so much this week! Phaedra saying she saw cuts on Porsha's stomach -- when the camera clearly saw none -- was such a huge lie, but I bet she will never get called out on it. I can't believe Kim somehow thinks Phaedra is her pal in this group. LOL did anybody see Phaedra's face at the lunch when Kenya tried to go on for a kiss? Sheree should definitely get a peach. I am enjoying her participation in the show a hell of a lot more than I ever thought I would. Peter snuggling into Cynthia's amazing breasts as the hugged it out lolololol. Papa Smurf is such an old horndog.

It's why I'm always hesitant with 'alternative' therapies when a medical doctor isn't involved. People like Yolanda jump from treatment to treatment like many people jump onto crash diets. That's just dangerous. All treatment takes time to work or be proven ineffective. The thing I've considered is that Yolanda is in menopause and is improperly diagnosed and treated. A lot of her symptoms (an "overheating engine" is how she describes herself) are very menopausal. And menopause is no joke: it decimates some women and can lead to real suffering. There's no denying Yolanda isn't well. Take one look at her. She looks awful. But there's a lot of other variables (ie: crumbling marriage, empty nest syndrome, general stress) that, combined with something like menopause and/or depression, could just slaughter someone. She is her own worst enemy in this by not having any discipline or patience in sticking with a treatment plan. Loading up her body with a zillion herbs, vitamins, stem cells in the Bahamas and Korea, non-regulated treatments, traditional medication - it's a LOT for the human body to handle. We are a delicate, yet tough, species. I wish Yolanda good health, but I also wish her common sense and none of the passive aggressive crap that's sustained her for years. Ken and Lisa, particularly Ken, showed a lot of compassion about Yolanda being ill at Lips' dinner...it's just that they aren't demonstrating it in exactly the way Yolanda wants to hear it. That is my biggest problem with her: everything is either her way or no way. She does not seek a happy medium in anything and if you aren't kissing her ass you're wrong. I wonder if Yolanda has already been diagnosed with menopause but that wasn't the answer she wanted to hear so she flew out to another doctor somewhere to try and get a different diagnosis/treatment. The sad thing is that menopause (as so often with matters concerning women over 50 these days) is treated as a bit of a joke -- hot flashes etc. But I remember my mom really suffering from it. It is a 10-year sentence for many and (once again, as so often with many women's health issues) there is no cure. They are told to suck it up, basically, although I understand that there are hormone replacement therapies and some treatments to mitigate the worst of the symptoms. Watching this week's episode, I wondered if Yolanda didn't want to admit to the possibility of menopause because it would be dismissed as not a big deal (it isn't for some) or belittled. Also, so much of it is tied up with a woman's self-esteem -- admitting that they are no longer fertile and growing older. In Hollywood, where nobody seems to age and there are so many old men with young wives, it must be especially an 'silent' experience. I can't imagine all the crazy pills and treatments are helping her, and of course the divorce. She must feel especially alone. Having said all that, I do think Yolanda showed up makeupless etc to drive home her SL this season. Not that I think she is faking it, but the need to show everybody "feel my hands," the coughing, leaving the table, coming back, etc... When Ken washed her positive thoughts and she had this edge in her response to him, like "Yeah, duh." Yolanda wanted everybody (including the TV audience) to know what she is going through. IA about the ass kissing. When she isn't being praised to the high heavens, Yolanda does tend to dismiss people.

What I find sketchy and low-class that he supposedly moved them into a WAY smaller home months previous. This was planned. David didn't want Yolanda making off good with a multi-million dollar home, which she'd most likely walk away with. Betcha he studied Kelsey Grammar's playbook but won't have lose as much. I agree that he probably has a new, young side piece in the wings. Knowing his ass, he's probably already living with her in a lavish home in Beverly Hills. Wait that gif of Yolanda...did she actually say that?!? Or are you guys just messing with her lol. I can't imagine her saying that... She did say that. She was talking about how in Hollywood some women will throw themselves at any guy they think will buy them Chanel bags and stuff. No lies detected tbh. I am hearing conflicting reports that the Malibu home was what Mohammed gave to Yolanda in the divorce -- so why is Yolanda holed up in an ugly ass condo while David (by some reports) is still in the Malibu house?? That makes no sense. What is sad is how Yolanda has had to downsize so quickly and from so far. It must be a huge hit to her pride and self esteem. It reminds me of what she said at last year's Reunion about how she didn't want to throw Brandi away "like a piece of trash." I wonder if deep down she identified with Brandi because she sensed she would be treated similarly by her 'King.' And all this when she is clearly struggling with some kind of debilitating ailment. Somebody on RealityTea wondered if Yolanda was also trying to keep her husband close with this illness. Apparently on social media, everytime he posted a selfie in some glamorous corner of the world, she would post a pic of herself in hospital or with an IV by her. Maybe to beg/guilt him to come back. If that condo is the best he can do for her, then he clearly is a stingy bastard. Camille never signed a pre-nup with Kelsey so she was able to demand a lot in the divorce, but I wonder if Yolanda did.

So the MAMAs happened today. I'll do a post about it later but.... 2NE1 INCLUDING BOM SHOWED UP AND SLAYED EVERYBODY.

Harry Hamlin looks better now than he did when he was young tbh. I hope to watch this episode later but I worry Lisa V will get flack for her comments. She is pretty much an equal opportunity offender when it comes to her asides -- everybody is a target, including herself. She does question stuff and most of the time her line of questioning is not actually wrong. However, the other ladies enjoy playing victim *cough*YolKyle*cough* so they pounce on that to make themselves look 'maligned.' Or they have something to hide *cough*Kim*cough*

Well, she set up her King and her marriage on a pedestal and now it comes crashing down on her. I feel bad for her because everybody is laughing at her (not him) about this. Either they knew they were going to divorce when they put the house on the market and agreed to wait it out until after filming before releasing a statement. Or he sold the house so she wouldn't get the proceeds and then blindsided her with the "It's not you, it's me" talk. Either way, this is not going to be her season on BH. She is better off without his pompous ass tbh.

Well, I appreciate you having another look. I guess I'll have to have another watch myself. From what I recall, they were both doing the finger-pointing/pushing fingers away thing, but then Porsha stood up and put her knee down towards Cynthia, and that's the point when the confrontation became really physical for me.

On Twitter and Reality Tea, people are coming up with a few alternative taglines, like Kyle: "I stole Kim's goddamn house and I'd do it again too." And Yolanda: "Friends are only fake when they don't kiss my ass."

Lisa VP - GOLD. Eileen - GOLD 2.0. Erika - #Mess. Kyle - Zzzzzzz. Lisa R - I like it. Yolanda - ....Riiiiight. I feel bad kicking a girl when she's down but... Miss True Friends needs to rewatch S4. She believed Brandi's every word over Lisa, even when it later emerged that Brandi lied. (And I still am lowkey annoyed that she never apologized to Ken after accusing him from every media outlet of physically attacking her). I know Bravo want me to love Yol again with this illness SL but the way she led the charge of everybody against Lisa still sticks in my craw. And if Empress Lisa is the one leading the doubts over whether Yolanda is sick or not, I will be bracing myself for the onslaught of hate. Personally, my feeling is that Yolanda is truly sick. Whether it is due to Lyme disease or leaking breast implants, Yolanda clearly has been through/may still be going through physical (and mental) trauma. I hope she finds a cure or at least treatment that mitigates her symptoms.

The EMPRESS stays slaying. As usual.

Mr. Vixen, c'mon now. Please rewatch. They were slapping fingers then Porsha got up and brought her knee in there (see below)! Cynthia wasn't kicking anybody at that point! And I am consistent -- I can understand Porsha being frustrated but physicality wasn't the answer then and it isn't now. I haven't SEEN Cynthia getting physical yet so I will respond to that next week after I watch it.

Did you not see Porsha put her knee in Cynthia's space? She looks ready to knee her in the face but Cynthia blocks her with the kick Looks like Poorsha should lose her peach twice over Yep, that's what I saw. The knee about to come down on Cynthia's body. And Porsha fans may claim that this is all "bad editing" by Bravo, but there is no getting around Porsha jumping up and aiming to push her knee down on Cynthia. And I say this as someone who felt that Porsha was kind of hard done by at the start of the argument. Cynthia over-reacted and Porsha was thoughtless rather than aggressive when she called her 'bitch' (which the ladies were jokingly calling each other all afternoon). But getting physical is not the answer to this dumb argument.

UGH thank you for reminding me how much I despised that fake ass Amanda bitch. At least Ronnie is no longer close with Jody who was truly evil. And sad that Mary and Ronnie never made up but Ronnie messed her around so much, while Jody and Amanda literally tortured the poor woman, I don't blame her for not wanting the toxic back in her life. Same, I loved Ronnie and think she would actually fit in with BH. She has exactly the kind of lifestyle they are looking for. Ronnie is a private jet taking, Philip Treacy hat wearing, friend of Caroline Stanbury and Stella McCartney...I don't think she'd be a great fit in either franchise, but definitely not suburban OC. If Ronnie ever moved to a US franchise, it would have to be NYC, she and LuAnn would be a hoot. Really, Ronnie moving to Los Angeles is a weird one (her son Houston is living there now and pursuing an acting career), it's so different from Vancouver (Ronnie grew up in Seattle, a much closer vibe to Vancouver in many respects, albeit less cosmopolitan). On the downside, none of these franchises would be good for Ronnie's struggle with alcohol (and pills, the great unspoken in that interview you kindly posted). I do like seeing how much more lucid, direct, and strong Ronnie seemed in that interview -- she always was a bit of a sad-eyed fragile bird at times on RHoV. I hope this means she is in a better place. Having said that, she has this mysterious vibe to her personality and think she is a great 'character' for the HWs. I am used to seeing her outdoors in her amazing Vancouver estate so I always imagine that BH with its hectares of real estates would suit her more than a Park Avenue apartment on the 68th floor.

The whole altercation was due to miscommunication. Kandi was shady for stirring the pot and then giggling her way through Cynthia's rant at Porsha. She got what she achieved, but nobody is going to call her out about it because she is about to pop out a kid. On a side note, Kandi's hair is the best it has ever looked, and I am pretty much here for Miss Grumpy dragging her ass to these events and just not feeling it unless a buffet table involved. Basically, both Cynthia and Porsha were tipsy, and Cynthia was probably irritated by Porsha after she did her Jamaican twerky thing. Porsha probably meant well and was only trying to make Cynthia laugh but she is hardly Miss Observant. The bitch thing came out wrong but Cynthia was wound up by that point and was going to take it badly. When Porsha sat down on Cynthia's deck chair, I thought she was going to take Cynthia's hands and calm the whole thing down. However, even if apologizing would have kept the peace at a boat party (for Cynthia no less), it didn't happen and degenerated into finger-pointing (on Porsha's part) and slapping fingers away (on Cynthia's). And the way Bravo edited it, Porsha does not look good. She got up and brought her knee down towards Cynthia before Bravo decided to cut it at that moment. I don't think Porsha intended at all to start any fights that day, and I actually don't mind her this season. However, she does seem to think she has a 'street tough' rep to uphold -- even though Porsha ain't about that life. She thinks getting handsy shows the other HWs not to mess with her, but this is the second time Porsha has jumped up at someone and the second time she had to, embarrassingly, be wrestled to the floor. This Tammy person is ratchet and Shamea is out to needle Kenya in the hopes of getting a peach. Glad these two did not get one in the end. Sheree deserves a peach just for that frenemyship scene between her and Kenya at the beginning.

It's Tamra's fault. Point. Blank. Period. She stays having her hand in the pot when it comes to women coming and going on this show and it needs to stop. They need to cast someone that'll dog-walk her ass one good time. And I watched the RHoBH Revealed show and found it interesting. It makes me miss how BH used to be. Sucks that after s3, the show would go to crap. Last season was good but I have a feeling that this season is gonna be crap too. Especially with everyone questioning YoLyme's disease. Is this like a West coast housewives thing? Questioning people's ailments? I hope this does not dominate the season like Brooks' cancer did on RHOC. And I miss Camille too. I am one of the few Camille purist fans as I loved her day one, season one. I always felt that Kyle envied Camille's wealth. Honestly, the only person who can call out Tarantula is Vicki or Jeana. They know where the bodies are buried. Jeana especially has no f*cks left to give. Alexis is too dumb, Gretchen has just cause but ain't no brainbox herself, Lizzie got burned, Shannon is too cray cray, and Heather is too pinched (and would probably never). Oh, of COURSE Kyle was jealous of Camille's wealth. Kyle was jealous of everybody who she felt 'stole' her Star Spot on BH. Camille implied it herself: since Kyle had a hand in casting, Camille felt she had the power to make each HW appear a certain way on the show. Kyle couldn't stand it that Camille took all the headlines (and real estate porn) and Lisa took the worship from the audience. I loved S1 Camille too. That Alison Dubois dinner party alone she was so catty and delicious! "The morally corrupt Faye Resnick." "Now I know where I've seen you. In Playboy. That's how I know Faye." She WAS the show in Season 1, and as deluded as she could sound at times, you couldn't help but empathize with her at the way the women (led by Kyle) bitched about her and especially the way Kelsey did her so dirty. I miss Season 1 BH. It was a perfect storm. Even in Season 3 you felt the show was going a certain way and it wasn't as fun to watch. S4 was the nadir and S5, while good, doesn't quite feel like S1-2 felt. I used to get goosebumps from watching BH back then. It felt so good and Old School Dark Secrets Hollywood. I worry that this coming season may not be great either, but I will watch.

I think it was Bravo who strong-armed Vicki into doing a one-on-one to paint her as a victim post Brook being exposed as a fraud. Those other four chicks (Meghan/Trailer Sue/ShanLoon/Pleather) are LOVING the publicity the show is getting. OC has always been the black sheep as it never got national attention like the other housewives get. They are eating this up not realizing, as you pointed out, they are killing the show in the process. And from the ladies' responses, it seems like no one wants to be involved with Vicki except possibly Heather. Idiots. Andy is SO going to cast around Vicki come s11 for her redemption story and is going to bring on women to back her. Who better than a combination of the four women, who've adamantly and openly supported Vicki: Gretchen, Alexis, Jeana, and Lizzie. Gretchen is a sure in as she'll rock the boat and wreak havoc for TamRat. Seeing as TamRat slyly questioned Andy's interviewing skills by claiming 'she got off easy,' he'll want her to pay dearly for that. Shannon echoed the same sentiments too, so she better hope that Andy doesn't cast David's mistress on the show, who I've heard through rumbling and rumors wants to be on the show. I think Alexis could be a sure in too (like I said in the past) b/c her presence played a pivotal role in the reunion. She's another that would come back and get Tamra together. Lizzie and Jeana most likely will be brought back in lesser roles but seeing as Lizzie is extremely close to Gretchen and Jeana is close to Vicki, it could come down to footage and how much they provide to decide if they hold an orange or not. I just get this inkling feeling that s11 is going to be a clique v. clique situation a la RHOA s4 & s7. I think it'll be Shannon/Tamra/Heather/Meghan v. Vicki/Gretchen/Alexis/Lizzie. And I say Lizzie b/c out of her and Jeana, she isn't afraid to call Tamra on her BS and I don't believe the farce that they've made up. I think Lizzie chose to make up with Tamra to get her off her back for the time being. But with numbers and people she genuinely likes, I think Lizzie's true hatred for Tamra would arise yet again. I wouldn't mind them bringing back Peggy too b/c she's close to Gretchen and she hates Tamra now. I just see s11 being the downfall of Tamra and Shannon, the redemption of Vicki, and the return of past housewives with grudges against Tamra (Gretchen, Alexis, possibly Jeana or Lizzie). IA it is hubris on these other women's part. I think you only have to look at what became of NJ when the Gorgas were added and started threatening to expose the Giudice secrets, or NY when they fired half the cast. You are probably right that Season 11 will be Vicki's redemption arc. Having said that, Andy's FB page is currently inundated with comments calling for Vicki to be fired and asking why Andy didn't ask anything about Club Detox. Maybe Bravo won't want the hassle and perhaps viewers, already clued in to how the RHs work, will reject the redemption SL. Oh, Gretchen is definitely back. Her support for Vicki on social media and WWHL practically confirmed it, and Vicki is pushing for it. Trailer Sue (BWAH) better be nervous. She did Gretchen so wrong Season 8 after pretending to be her BFF. If Jeana comes back, Trailer Sue better be REALLY scared because Jeana knows all her secrets... the Simon secrets. IA Lizzie is not crazy about Tamra, and she backed down from last season after Tamra allegedly released her telephone number to her fans or something? I can't remember. None of these women are sitting pretty tbh. If the OG of the OC goes down, they all do. And if Bravo brought David's mistress on the show, the meltdown would be epic. I think Shannon would even threaten to quit. I really liked Peggy Tanous, I thought she was pretty solid on the whole. I didn't realize she was no longer friends with Tamra tho. Yep. Peggy and Tamra fell out immediately after she was fired from RHOC. It became obvious to Peggy that Tamra used her as a number. And who was there (and still is) for Peggy? Gretchen. That's one thing I'll say Gretchen does right. She does play nice with all the women past and present. And between Tamra and Lizzie, Tamra did release her number, which fans called, harassing her. I thought that was so gutter butt. With Shannon and his mistress, I don't see her quitting over it. Flipping out a first, yes. But she'd wanna capitalize off the story potential even though I'd see people gravitating towards the mistress b/c people are over Shannon's erratic ways. I truly don't see s11 panning out well for team Tamra. Andy is going to do his best to cast the right players to cause their destruction and Vicki's rise from the ashes. Yeah. I was never a fan of Gretchen (too self-involved) but she does make an effort to maintain friendships. And for Tamra to do that to Lizzie was low. Tamra was so threatened by Lizzie because Lizzie owned her ass at the end of Season 9 and again at Reunion. Honestly, I think Tamra is generally about as hated as Vicki is right now by the fandom. Many people believe she is behind the takedown of Vicki or at least has rejoiced at her downfall. I always felt that Tamra was jealous of Vicki's status on the OC. Interesting that you think Tamra will get the bitch edit in Season 11. She's managed to avoid one up until now (even in S9 because let's face it, Shannon was and is a crazy ho). Shannon has always said she believes in putting it all out there as far as her "real" life is concerned. But if David's mistress was ever asked on the show, she could just outright refuse to film with her, which is how Tamra, Gretchen and Heather got Alexis edged off the show. Speaking of ex HWs, I wonder what happened to Lydia. I actually thought she was ok as a HW. They could refuse to film with her but Bravo would only force them. Why do you think LVP and Kyle had to put up with Brandi so much last season? Bravo forced them to film with her despite them not wanting too. The refusal to film with someone tactic doesn't really work anymore. I think Bravo stresses it in their contracts that they have to film with who production tells them too. And Lydia was supposed to be on s9 but quit the first week of filming as she felt the show was too toxic. I think she assumed (or knew) that she could've been the possible target for Tamra/Heather/Vicki but once Lydia jumped ship, Heather became the target for the first half of the season. That really illustrates just how toxic the atmosphere has become on OC specifically. Most of the HWs used to beg to stay on the show (cough Alexis, Gretchen, Lynne), but Lydia and Lizzie could see the way the winds were turning and choose not to continue as either a HW or at all. A mean part of me would like to blame Tamra for picking a HW each season and driving the pack against her whilst all the while holding her hands up and saying "It wasn't me!"... Is it really fair of me to blame Tamra for everything bad on RHoOC?? Cheap, am I being too hard on her? Did anybody watch the RHoBH Season 1 Revealed show? BH is one of my favorite RH shows and S1 was one of the best opening seasons of any HW franchise, IMO. Fascinating to hear the the views of behind-the-scene camera operators and producers, too. The stuff regarding Kim's alcoholism packs the biggest punch. She also looked so much younger. And Camille... omg, I would love for this bitch goddess to return as a HW. Just the way she spoke was so... wealthy and languorous, lol.

I think it was Bravo who strong-armed Vicki into doing a one-on-one to paint her as a victim post Brook being exposed as a fraud. Those other four chicks (Meghan/Trailer Sue/ShanLoon/Pleather) are LOVING the publicity the show is getting. OC has always been the black sheep as it never got national attention like the other housewives get. They are eating this up not realizing, as you pointed out, they are killing the show in the process. And from the ladies' responses, it seems like no one wants to be involved with Vicki except possibly Heather. Idiots. Andy is SO going to cast around Vicki come s11 for her redemption story and is going to bring on women to back her. Who better than a combination of the four women, who've adamantly and openly supported Vicki: Gretchen, Alexis, Jeana, and Lizzie. Gretchen is a sure in as she'll rock the boat and wreak havoc for TamRat. Seeing as TamRat slyly questioned Andy's interviewing skills by claiming 'she got off easy,' he'll want her to pay dearly for that. Shannon echoed the same sentiments too, so she better hope that Andy doesn't cast David's mistress on the show, who I've heard through rumbling and rumors wants to be on the show. I think Alexis could be a sure in too (like I said in the past) b/c her presence played a pivotal role in the reunion. She's another that would come back and get Tamra together. Lizzie and Jeana most likely will be brought back in lesser roles but seeing as Lizzie is extremely close to Gretchen and Jeana is close to Vicki, it could come down to footage and how much they provide to decide if they hold an orange or not. I just get this inkling feeling that s11 is going to be a clique v. clique situation a la RHOA s4 & s7. I think it'll be Shannon/Tamra/Heather/Meghan v. Vicki/Gretchen/Alexis/Lizzie. And I say Lizzie b/c out of her and Jeana, she isn't afraid to call Tamra on her BS and I don't believe the farce that they've made up. I think Lizzie chose to make up with Tamra to get her off her back for the time being. But with numbers and people she genuinely likes, I think Lizzie's true hatred for Tamra would arise yet again. I wouldn't mind them bringing back Peggy too b/c she's close to Gretchen and she hates Tamra now. I just see s11 being the downfall of Tamra and Shannon, the redemption of Vicki, and the return of past housewives with grudges against Tamra (Gretchen, Alexis, possibly Jeana or Lizzie). IA it is hubris on these other women's part. I think you only have to look at what became of NJ when the Gorgas were added and started threatening to expose the Giudice secrets, or NY when they fired half the cast. You are probably right that Season 11 will be Vicki's redemption arc. Having said that, Andy's FB page is currently inundated with comments calling for Vicki to be fired and asking why Andy didn't ask anything about Club Detox. Maybe Bravo won't want the hassle and perhaps viewers, already clued in to how the RHs work, will reject the redemption SL. Oh, Gretchen is definitely back. Her support for Vicki on social media and WWHL practically confirmed it, and Vicki is pushing for it. Trailer Sue (BWAH) better be nervous. She did Gretchen so wrong Season 8 after pretending to be her BFF. If Jeana comes back, Trailer Sue better be REALLY scared because Jeana knows all her secrets... the Simon secrets. IA Lizzie is not crazy about Tamra, and she backed down from last season after Tamra allegedly released her telephone number to her fans or something? I can't remember. None of these women are sitting pretty tbh. If the OG of the OC goes down, they all do. And if Bravo brought David's mistress on the show, the meltdown would be epic. I think Shannon would even threaten to quit. I really liked Peggy Tanous, I thought she was pretty solid on the whole. I didn't realize she was no longer friends with Tamra tho. Yep. Peggy and Tamra fell out immediately after she was fired from RHOC. It became obvious to Peggy that Tamra used her as a number. And who was there (and still is) for Peggy? Gretchen. That's one thing I'll say Gretchen does right. She does play nice with all the women past and present. And between Tamra and Lizzie, Tamra did release her number, which fans called, harassing her. I thought that was so gutter butt. With Shannon and his mistress, I don't see her quitting over it. Flipping out a first, yes. But she'd wanna capitalize off the story potential even though I'd see people gravitating towards the mistress b/c people are over Shannon's erratic ways. I truly don't see s11 panning out well for team Tamra. Andy is going to do his best to cast the right players to cause their destruction and Vicki's rise from the ashes. Yeah. I was never a fan of Gretchen (too self-involved) but she does make an effort to maintain friendships. And for Tamra to do that to Lizzie was low. Tamra was so threatened by Lizzie because Lizzie owned her ass at the end of Season 9 and again at Reunion. Honestly, I think Tamra is generally about as hated as Vicki is right now by the fandom. Many people believe she is behind the takedown of Vicki or at least has rejoiced at her downfall. I always felt that Tamra was jealous of Vicki's status on the OC. Interesting that you think Tamra will get the bitch edit in Season 11. She's managed to avoid one up until now (even in S9 because let's face it, Shannon was and is a crazy ho). Shannon has always said she believes in putting it all out there as far as her "real" life is concerned. But if David's mistress was ever asked on the show, she could just outright refuse to film with her, which is how Tamra, Gretchen and Heather got Alexis edged off the show. Speaking of ex HWs, I wonder what happened to Lydia. I actually thought she was ok as a HW.

I think it was Bravo who strong-armed Vicki into doing a one-on-one to paint her as a victim post Brook being exposed as a fraud. Those other four chicks (Meghan/Trailer Sue/ShanLoon/Pleather) are LOVING the publicity the show is getting. OC has always been the black sheep as it never got national attention like the other housewives get. They are eating this up not realizing, as you pointed out, they are killing the show in the process. And from the ladies' responses, it seems like no one wants to be involved with Vicki except possibly Heather. Idiots. Andy is SO going to cast around Vicki come s11 for her redemption story and is going to bring on women to back her. Who better than a combination of the four women, who've adamantly and openly supported Vicki: Gretchen, Alexis, Jeana, and Lizzie. Gretchen is a sure in as she'll rock the boat and wreak havoc for TamRat. Seeing as TamRat slyly questioned Andy's interviewing skills by claiming 'she got off easy,' he'll want her to pay dearly for that. Shannon echoed the same sentiments too, so she better hope that Andy doesn't cast David's mistress on the show, who I've heard through rumbling and rumors wants to be on the show. I think Alexis could be a sure in too (like I said in the past) b/c her presence played a pivotal role in the reunion. She's another that would come back and get Tamra together. Lizzie and Jeana most likely will be brought back in lesser roles but seeing as Lizzie is extremely close to Gretchen and Jeana is close to Vicki, it could come down to footage and how much they provide to decide if they hold an orange or not. I just get this inkling feeling that s11 is going to be a clique v. clique situation a la RHOA s4 & s7. I think it'll be Shannon/Tamra/Heather/Meghan v. Vicki/Gretchen/Alexis/Lizzie. And I say Lizzie b/c out of her and Jeana, she isn't afraid to call Tamra on her BS and I don't believe the farce that they've made up. I think Lizzie chose to make up with Tamra to get her off her back for the time being. But with numbers and people she genuinely likes, I think Lizzie's true hatred for Tamra would arise yet again. I wouldn't mind them bringing back Peggy too b/c she's close to Gretchen and she hates Tamra now. I just see s11 being the downfall of Tamra and Shannon, the redemption of Vicki, and the return of past housewives with grudges against Tamra (Gretchen, Alexis, possibly Jeana or Lizzie). IA it is hubris on these other women's part. I think you only have to look at what became of NJ when the Gorgas were added and started threatening to expose the Giudice secrets, or NY when they fired half the cast. You are probably right that Season 11 will be Vicki's redemption arc. Having said that, Andy's FB page is currently inundated with comments calling for Vicki to be fired and asking why Andy didn't ask anything about Club Detox. Maybe Bravo won't want the hassle and perhaps viewers, already clued in to how the RHs work, will reject the redemption SL. Oh, Gretchen is definitely back. Her support for Vicki on social media and WWHL practically confirmed it, and Vicki is pushing for it. Trailer Sue (BWAH) better be nervous. She did Gretchen so wrong Season 8 after pretending to be her BFF. If Jeana comes back, Trailer Sue better be REALLY scared because Jeana knows all her secrets... the Simon secrets. IA Lizzie is not crazy about Tamra, and she backed down from last season after Tamra allegedly released her telephone number to her fans or something? I can't remember. None of these women are sitting pretty tbh. If the OG of the OC goes down, they all do. And if Bravo brought David's mistress on the show, the meltdown would be epic. I think Shannon would even threaten to quit. I really liked Peggy Tanous, I thought she was pretty solid on the whole. I didn't realize she was no longer friends with Tamra tho.

Shannon is a bully to her spineless husband and she needs to sit down. EVERYBODY on the OC needs to sit down and STFU tbh. They are literally digging the show into an early grave. And that includes Vicki whose credibility is shot. The more she appears in interviews, the worse it sounds and more contradictory she gets. This is a mess. If I was her PR guru I would tell her No More Interviews and she needs to lay low for a little bit. Because she risks losing everything she holds dear -- her job on RHoOC (if the others refuse to film with her -- unless they bring Gretchen back and she does), her Coto business (with employees already jumping ship), and paying Brooks to keep his mouth shut. He is already threatening to write a tell-all book.

Ooo is this a new Nene Carlos blind item?

Vicki Gunvalson tonight on WWHL. I'm more than over this SL tbh. And point taken, Kenya. Bravo really should have showed that -- they were shady not to even mention it in the lake clip they posted!

Thanks for the clip! That looked almost unedited (except for when Kenya went to find the captain). OTOH I can't blame Shamea for pointing out the obvious. Kenya should never have had a hair products party without the product! (At least Cynthia launched her sunglasses WITH the sunglasses and gave some away to the HWs to try out). OTO, Shamea was looking for a fight and Kenya was right to shut that down immediately. I also see you, Kandi, with the "Go, Best Friend" pot-stirring, making it seem like it was "Us vs Them" with Them being Kenya and Cynthia. I'm glad Cynthia told Kandi where to go. Cynthia was also right to tell Porsha not to call her a bitch. Porsha did not use 'bitch' in a friendly way, it was definitely used to put Cynthia down. It will be interesting to see how Bravo edits this Lake Launier trip because in that clip it looks like Porsha is being harshly treated, but I am inclined to believe Porsha got ratchet and handsy with Cynthia on the boat. Marlo and Sheree should both have got peaches. Just because there is history there (pls see my sig. Gosh, that South Africa trip was SO GOOD). And that would have meant that when Nene showed up later in the season, there would have been more story with those three.