P.J.

Zenk was also credited as Zenk Crouch during her first marriage. Mary Lynn Blanks was one of the Annies. Don't forget Kim Johnston Ulrich.

Yeah, Columbino/Conn and Peck finally made it legal this year, around the 4th of July. (the less said on the merits of being a "-Peck" the better)

Not only were Block/McClain an item, the last I heard, McClain and Lindstrom were.

I finally got around to watching some of the ATWT set. The biggest surprise? Von Furstenberg sounds incredibly like Fulton to me. I wonder if Fulton regrets not working with "son" Dees?

Oh...forgot...Sam and Kirk boring as hell..sorry PJ....lol....

Love Kirk. But the only pairing of his I cared about was with Iva. Sam#1 was okay....Sam #2---nah-uh. And I think that's the one Wiggin left his wife for.

^^^^ I must be the only uncoordinated person on the board to trip going up stairs. Although the most I ever did was bruise a knee or stub a toe. LOL.

Any Katie-before-she-was-God's-gift-to-sex scene is a-ok with me.

Thanks ...watching it now..wish it was included in a dvd release even though I didnt care for the crossover Jake AW mess.

It's gotta be 1999. Jack and Julia married in Sept. 2000. She went BSC in 2001.

Margo spends Xmas Eve in jail. Hal lets Tom and the boys visit her in her cell.

Sigh...Hal and rooms bigger than postage stamps. Oh, how I miss it!

Rebecca Hollen played the wife of one of Duncan's friends who'd been killed suspiciously. It linked into a story where Andy and Courtney were caught in a car bombing (I think it was in England) and led to their breakup as well as Duncan investigating Kingsley-Malta and Damian.

I don't think there's any way Buzz and Nola would have worked---Deas was a flaming scenery-chewer by then.

Connor and Evan were Lucinda's step-grandchildren. Royce, Neal and Sam (Lucinda's half-brother and sisters) would have been their step-uncle and aunts. I've forgotten (or maybe it was never quite explained) if Royce, Neal and Sam were full siblings or if Sam was from a subsequent relationship of Gloria (Lucinda's mother).

Kirk's kids were Stephen and Linda Ann. (Stephen was played by a very young James VanderBeek, btw)

I don't know why Marland didn't put Kirk and Iva back together either. I know that he was always willing to "move past" couples and "grow" characters (at least if their names didn't rhyme with Molden and Philly), but I thought Lisa and Tom had a rare chemistry. I kind of wonder if they hadn't been more conventionally attractive if the affair with Ellie wouldn't have been a bump in the road for them.

And ditto on the horrendous Jason Benedict. For like a month, there was another actor in the role, and he was a badass jerk lawyer. Then they recast him with the most underwhelming actor ever to enter soaps, and married them off. UGH.

Damn I loved Kirk and Iva.

Alright, I officially give in: I F'IN LOVE this show. This is what Dirty Sexy Money tried to be. I hope ABC doesn't break my heart again.

I hope Daniel survives. I love him. Something about Jack is just too square for this show.

I think the budget impacted a lot of that. Sheffer started out trying to intergrate characters and play family where it mattered. The Kim/Susan stuff was the only reason to watch the dreadful Chris/Alison romance.

But then he'd just drop it---Carly and Gwen building a relationship could have delivered drama for years. Instead Gwen got involved in a lot of poorly developed teen drama and Carly hardly ever saw her. Unless Gwen could show up and tell her how disappointed she was in her.

I dunno....I wouldn't say they were all clunkers. I think Culliton really helped Sheffer execute the stories he wanted to tell better. Where Sheffer failed miserably is carrying through the fallout and then growing the characters. Sheffer and Pissanante were some kind of hellish duo who didn't seem capable of coming up with the "next story". It's bad enough when characters are in ruts...but with S & P, they were in the exact same story, usually with the same bleepin' characters. Thus you had endless rounds of Dusty/Meg/Paul/Em and Jack/Carly/Craig.

^^^ snort!! ROTFLMAO.

Apparently, Helen wasn't around the studio enough when Peck and Columbino were screwing around.

If I had to pinpoint a moment the honeymoon was "over"---looking back, I think it's Jack's rape.

Culliton helped him cover some of his weak spots (most of his teens stunk), and it seems like Passanante was nothing but a lackey who wrote what she was told to write. It was the end of '02 that stories seemed to be noticably recycling themselves (Katie's Island Adventure 1&2, Avanya, 1&2,) but it was Jack's rape in March that signalled that the "black comedy" Sheffer seemed to favor could really cross that uncomfortable line that soaps (and especially ATWT) usually didn't.

It was one thing to have Barbara "blown up" and descend into madness. It was quite another to have a psycho rape your hero and your biggest !@#$%^&*] anti-hero buffoon walk in and taunt and sneer at him afterwards.

The explosion was in June '01 (I think Holden and Luke had been kidnapped to Malta around this time), Craig's trial was in August, Bryant died at the end of September (I think), Molly and Jake married/Dante tried to kidnap Luke in October, James returned and started conspiring with Barbara, and then the kidnap plot started rolling in December.

WAIT....didn't the first episode also take place at Victoria's Fourth of July party?

I know we're supposed to buy into Emily/Jack, but I like Daniel more.

^^^Zenk-Crouch? That just sounds wrong.

Yeah, I think the quads were mostly about the novelty. I do ususally read the older articles you post, but I usually don't have a real good connection to the '70's stuff. The Spain trip still gets a write up every once in a while in the mags, and CZ testifies to the unusual Spain cold snap, having to get a special dispensation from the Spanish government not to kill the bull, etc.

Didn't know CZ was there with her fiancee (and subsequent first husband) who must have been either connected to the show or some kind of musical composer. I knew she'd been married before Mark Pinter, but I never knew to whom.

Thanks for posting that Carl. I know I'd heard stuff about the troubles the Spain shoot had, but it's neat hearing a first person account from the time.

LOL...that jacket looks bigger than she does!

It's funny Em getting a best daughter mention. It must have been in that sweet spot between Em donating the egg and trying to shag Larry.

Well, Heather Rattray clearly played a darker, more bitter Lily.

Revenge does better when DVR is counted.

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I was so hoping Frank was an undercover mole for Emily...I dig the hot vibe Max Martini gives off either way though.

Yeah, it's so over the top to have a nine year old put in an asylum, I hope there's more to the story.