ILoveTracyQ

MinervaFan I hear ya about the stormy weather.

I love it though.

Ms.Q, *applause* *flowers* *all the TracyQ fans do the wave*

You are awesome. Merci beaucoup !

nex4evr if you're asking if Luke/Tracy's lips have ever touched,yes.

If you're asking if they've yet had a "real" kiss,where both were willing participants and neither one was playing a game on the other,no.

They got close to one during the show where they were talking about what it would have been like had they met as teens.

But an honest to goodness "real" kiss that we've seen?

Nope.

Not yet,and I can't wait until the moment they do.

Luke/Tracy fighting over the mail must be the scenes with the rat poison. LOL that's the only one I can think of. LOL hated that "Luke wants Tracy to think he's out to kill her" story, but that scene was funny.

*waves to Ms.Q, you little clippy Queen,you.

Much appreciation for those,I know I have those scenes on tape but it's nice to get a chance to watch them again.

As far as Tracy going to the Islands,I don't know. The write up certainly makes it sound that way,but who knows?

I don't know if they'll have room for her,with Robert/Holly/Luke/**** there.(guess I should still spoil that return guest).

It just made me happy,had to share.

smirks!!

I love that TG confirmed for me what I've sorta suspected since day one of Lacy,LuNacy,or whatever we call them:that Jane and Tony bring the nuance and the feelings and the subtext to the scenes to let us know what is going on between them because it sure as crap isn't included in the writing,and TG pretty much said so,didn't he say something about them projecting things that weren't being written?

LOL

I adore him,too. He seems like such a doll.

I am a little scared,really though,because they are not a typical couple,and I don't trust GaP to do it right.

But this is JE/TG we're talking about. They can take pure crap and make it pure gold.

*LeSigh*

BTW SID is also supposed to have a short Lacy article,but the details of it weren't posted on SZ.

When I buy the mag I'll let ya'll know about it,though.

*runs in*

EEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

http://soapzone.com/boards/read.php/gh/main/6594553

re:the article:

Hold me,I'm scared !

*runs out*

EEEEEeeeeee!!!!!!

ETA I know I've told you before angel but I LURVE that banner !

Robert laughed at my girl yesterday.

If next week's scenes are more "charming"(for lack of a better word),I might forgive him.

Otherwise,he's on my LIST.

And yeah MinervaFan wasn't 2004 Christmas great?

Last year the show was good too, on Christmas.

Tracy giving Monica a gift and Monica going to hug her and Tracy backing away.

And the hotel fire. We haven't gotten a good Ned/Tracy/Dillon scene anywhere in comparison to that one since.

*sigh*

kenna this is one of TG's short breaks and he should be back on screen around the end of April or first week in May.

He won't be back in PC however until probably the third week in May I think.

About the spoiler and what Dillon sees...I concur,I hope something like that happens too.

smirks I'll fight you for that harem.

And no,I don't share.

I haven't watched today's show yet either. Reserving judgement,will post tomorrow about today.

Ms.Q, thank you,thank you,for all the clips. You're a doll.

MinervaFan I'm all for Luke having to woo Tracy,but I don't want it to happen just yet. I think what should happen is that Luke may or may not think something's going on between Tracy and Robert,and Tracy is gathering up the courage to tell Luke how she feels(after making him grovel,of course) when Luke and/or Robert find out Edward was involved in Cryllium and the virus,and they tell Tracy and Tracy must decide whether to believe Luke or Edward,who denies it.

I think she'll choose Edward,maybe out of spite or family loyalty more than real trust and belief,and then Luke should make it his mission to not only get Tracy to see the truth,but to open herself up to him and let him back in her heart.

Just my spec. No spoiler.

*waves to everyone I'm leaving out,LOL*

It's late.

About Luke finding out Tracy loves him....I could actually go for Lulu and Robert(okay maybe Edward will be able to tell,too)being the only ones who know. I could go for Luke not realizing it,or not realizing he loves Tracy too...until July sweeps at least.

I like it slow,and so far they've been going slow,and I soooo don't want TIIC to ruin this,and I'm afraid for some reason after almost a year,now they're trying to rush it.

My advice is,that's the worst thing they can do.

Oh,and the JE transcript from her SoapNet chat:

Goodness. :)I forget when that chat actually took place,but she's due for another one I think.

http://soapnet.go.com/chatboards/chat/tran...2005_07_28.html

Scott Clifton has one tomorrow 04/20/06.(Or today,depending on where you are.)

TQ was on today,apparently only for the first half hour though.

Robert/Tracy stuff,going by recaps only,don't shoot me.

But she was ON!!!!

:wub:

LOL I keep forgetting to log out when I leave here.....

anyhoo.

Um.

Yes,I am just mumbling to fill space since there's no new Tracy goodness to fill the void.

Ms.Q you're still the Queen.

Hmm....

Okay I know we've done this before but let's name our fave Tracy moments,shall we?

If you've watched many many years of her as have I,you can list fave moments from each time she was on.

Mine:

I really only have one clear memory of the first time she was on,and that's the episode where she was kicked out of the Q house.

The second time, I have many.

Probably though,when she was falling in love with Paul,and the whole aftermath.

I will never,ever forget when she and Paul were on their honeymoon and he still hestitated about making love to her and Tracy came unglued and was sobbing and crying in their room.

"Why don't you want me? What's wrong with me?" Ooohhh....still gets me,I get teary just remembering it,and then "I want to go home,take me home,I want to be with my family !"

Then I'm undone.

The funny stuff,Jane was always funny with Hugo Napier (Larry) and both Neds,Kurt McKinney and WK.

I loved when they were forced by Monica due to finances,to move into the gatehouse(although I never understood how that saved money).

They were fighting over space...just like a real family,only it was ten times more entertaining.

I still remember Jane running and jumping on a trunk or something to claim it,with a toothbrush in her mouth,and the two guys right behind her.

HEE-larious.

The Marco Dane stuff....all priceless.

The time on The City...the Zoey/Tracy friendship and the Jacob/Tracy friendship,Tracy/Alex,Tracy/Dillon.

The fake engagement was a great moment.

This time: the marriage to Luke,hands down,most of the stuff that has went with it,minus some of the more humiliating moments.

The Ned/Tracy/Dillon reunion after the fire...do we have fire clips, CLIP QUEEN?

The Tracy/Edward stuff after the fire and after he had his heart attack and Tracy was there.

Anyone else?

I'm lovin' everyone's fics.

Anybody got any scoops? *she asks,hopefully*

I didn't even watch yesterday,should I?

Oh yeah.....TQ rocks !

Well you know,there have been times in the past that Tracy has been treated as desperate and pathetic,and not just with these writers.

When you think about it, voluntarily staying with a man that you know doesn't love you,as Tracy has done throughout most of her marriages.....that's pretty desperate.

And I don't think I've ever said otherwise.

I think she IS desperate to be loved.

I think though that this time around, the writers take little jabs at Tracy by having Edward say," well no one could ever love you," by having Coleman have to be paid to do it the first time,by having Luke have to get drunk to do it, by Tracy blackmailing Jax into an engagement,yeah I'd say these writers have gone out of their way to humiliate Tracy and make her look desperate. There have been little jabs from the rest of her family over the years as well.

I adore Tracy too obviously,but I don't think the humiliation will ever end completely.

I think it's just one of those things that makes me love her more,and jump to her defense more....because no one on screen does it,at least not on any kind of a regular basis.

So as far as Lacy goes,yeah it does kind of smack of desperation,BUT no more than any of the above mentioned "couplings".

Oh,and did I forget Tracy basically bribing Mitch with campaign money to stay with her,and Tracy refusing to divorce Paul even when she found out the truth about him?

Yeah.

Sometimes,I don't know whether to laugh or cry,it can sound pretty pathetic.

But it honestly just makes me love her more,I guess because not too many people do?

Our girl should be on today,and thanks for the banner,it's de-lovely !

No MinervaFan I really don't think you want to know.

But I'll give you the lowdown:

People calling Tracy an old hag,saying the thought of her making love with Luke made them sick,made them want to vomit, etc.

I honestly don't think some of those posters consider they are also actor bashing when they say that.

Hey I admit I've actor bashed before,but for the most part I stay away from the bashing of the physical appearance.

Most I've ever said is that so and so is too skinny,etc.

But I've never said the thought of this or that character making love with their husband makes me want to vomit,LOL.

*sigh* and Liz the moderator used to be so up on that stuff,a long time ago she would've deleted a post like that,now she's more likely to delete a post with one poster telling another that behavior just isn't right.

Eh....I hardly post there anymore because except for a few(who surprise surprise,don't post that often anymore either),the majority of the posters there are vile and rude.

I responded to Ms.Q's post by saying that to me JE and by association Tracy,are beautiful and don't deserve those kind of remarks.

Wonder if it did any good.

Big Alice really needs to fall victim to the next virus or a stray bullet.

J/K.

Sorta.

Dillon...SHUT UP. Even big bro Ned made an attempt to comfort your mother.

Lulu..DIE.

Tracy/Robert....I could deal with it,except for Tristan isn't even technically recurring.

Give him a contract,and give Luke some competition,and I'll be happy.

Oh and the Luke being in Tracy's heart thing,was it just me,or did that just not ring true?

I just can't see Tracy admitting that out loud to anyone unless she felt Luke felt the same.

Maybe she did start to think that though,because he did re-propose,until he skipped out the window.

It just didn't feel right to me.

Can I say how much I am enjoying everyone's fan fics?

About the May sweeps spoilers:

I think Tracy,Dillon,Lulu and Robin's part in it are happening now,Tracy's main one being next week when she and Robert are trapped together.

I don't think it's going to be any more than that....hope I'm wrong but.....

spoiler talk over

OH yeah and I officially really am starting to hate SOC.

I'm proud of you for playing hall monitor Ms.Q and I put my two cents in as well.

Some rude people there now.

Talking about JE like that(indirectly by talking about Tracy but still)............

*going home to watch*

And about the spoilers:

Part of me wants Edward and Tracy to have a knock down drag out fight about Luke,and then for Edward to tell her to choose,and Tracy hesitates,but only for a moment,before bidding her family goodbye.

Of course she wouldn't do this unless she knew Luke cared about her at least a little bit.

Now I don't want Lacy to ever be this sappy Romeo and Juliet type couple...I HATE those.

But I would love to see Tracy decide to give up her family for a man who finally can appreciate her for who she is.

I wouldn't want her to completely give up her sons or brother either,but quite truthfully nothing would make me happier than to see Tracy tell her daddy to stick it and to kiss her boarding school educated butt.

It wouldn't bother me if Tracy never had a significant scene with Edward ever again,as long as Luke continues to care about Tracy and Tracy knows it and returns the caring.

As long as I've been watching,Luke's been one of the best people for Tracy in the sense that he just accepts her and doesn't try to change her.

I could deal with Tracy forever leaving the Q mansion,in fact I've said before I think she blooms when not around her family.

It's not that I don't love my Q's.

But Edward is a bigger buttinsky and meddler than Tracy ever thought about being,and for once I'd like to see her be the one to leave,to tell him to leave her alone,instead of seeing him banish her yet again.

Again I don't want to see Lacy ever be this "you and me against the world" type couple,nor am I ever going to buy that Tracy is this great love of Luke's.

I think Luke may very well end up being the greatest love of Tracy's life,for the reason listed above: he doesn't try to change her and accepts her as she is.

He LIKES her,and they have a refreshing honesty most of the time,with each other.

I can see Luke loving her,and in a way that love being very deep and abiding. Not like his love with Laura,but in it's own way,very strong and true.

I'm excited to see what Edward has up his sleeve,but I don't want whatever happens to be the complete end of Luke/Tracy.

spoiler talk over

ETA *waving to MinervaFan*

Thank you MinervaFan for the compliment...BTW I have already read and reviewed your story at FanFic.net. I like it,well done !

I am still harboring a mad at Luke too,but I can't help but give him the benefit of the doubt that he would not have done exactly what he did the way he did it,had he known about Tracy's feelings.

Alan and Tracy...back when they bothered to write for him,he had many moments where he was a protective big brother. With David Ican'trememberhislastname,the guy Tracy dated and was accused of murdering,back in 89...with Scott Baldwin later,and with Paul especially. I think the majority of these writers just don't know or understand the Quartermaines,which is a shame.

They paint them as not caring,even privately,about what happens to the other.

The Q's are a lot of things,but apathetic about one another is not one of them.

They hate each other fiercely at times,and love each other,and defend each other against outsiders,just as fiercely. Too bad we aren't seeing it.

For instance,all the times Dillon has sided with Luke over his mother....*shakes head* never would have happened if we still had the writers for the Q's that we had fifteen years ago. Same goes for Alan just standing by and spouting off one liners while his sister gets left at the altar,supposed sham marriage or not.

Monica and Tracy have had a rocky relationship due to all those years ago,Tracy trying to prove Monica's son AJ was really Rick Webber's child and not Alan's(of course he was Alan's after all.)

But they have had awesome moments. One of the best being when Edward banished Tracy for the second time after the Jenny Eckert debacle. Monica comforted Tracy on the couch of the Q living room as Tracy cried,and said one of the best Tracy Q lines ever: "sometimes I just hate being me." Oh yes,and the infamous "Daddy banished me from the castle." Perfection. Just perfection.

I didn't think the Luke/Tracy stuff on Friday was all that bad either smirks,I just hated seeing my girl get dissed again. I was not furious the way some Tracy fans were. I think Luke was and is clueless to Tracy's feelings,and Luke may even think Tracy is like the rest of the Q's,glad to get rid of him for a while.

He has no idea how she feels......

BTW smirks, question, have you posted the clip(s) to the third part of the fake engagement from The City? I have someone on SoapZone who watched the first two parts and was interested in seeing the third part,or was it already posted on here and I missed it?

About Lulu...I still don't like her. *shrug*

I just don't. I might be able to tolerate her better if she and Tracy get along,but she just annoys me and gets under my skin and not in a good way.

smirks I agree,I think Ned,and the rest of the Q's for that matter,do dislike Luke to the point where they won't even consider it might be more for Tracy. They don't want it to be,and therefore it isn't.

That factor by itself could be great angst for Lacy,if done right.

The plots Edward could think of to stir up trouble could provide the writers with years of story for Lacy,if they bothered to write it.

Hmm....about the spoilers.....

First off I thought the medianet pics stated they are for the week of 041706,but no I looked again and they are for the week of 042406...so what happens this week,I wonder?

Why is Edward disappointed? Because he wants Robert to take Luke to get a supposed flogging? LOL

Pray tell Edward couldn't possibly be getting upset because Dillon is treating his mother like that?

Say it ain't so......

Tracy/Robert. I wonder if they know what Dillon thinks when he goes to check on them,and if they set him straight.

What is the point of him thinking that?

Will there be a point?

LOL Anyone care to spec about that?

It could be funny if Dillon tells Luke what he saw,and maybe that will give Luke some food for thought about Tracy.

Doubt it,though.

Does it make any sense that Tracy knocks Robert out to stop him from leaving,then pays him $100,000 later to bring Luke back?

Unless it's only because he does make her uneasy about Holly.

spoiler talk over

nex4evr,don't worry about always feeling like you have to post or say anything.

Not a problem. A lot of times,believe it or not, , I don't always have anything to say either and just bump or wave and run out.

It's just that lately I have had much to say in reference to Lacy,but sometimes I really don't say much and just read other's comments.

angel I agree, Jane does look good no matter what but I have to say again the extreme short hair just doesn't work on her anymore,back in the eighties it worked somewhat but that was the look then,a lot of women had that haircut. But now?

I prefer the chin length hair,or longer. It softens her face and makes her look younger.

Linn thanks for the SoapTalk clips,I had seen the one with Jane but not Deidre,funny you posted that because I was just wondering the other day if DH had ever had a solo ST appearance(I know she was on with part of the DOOL cast last year).

I also agree LuNacy are cute.

ILTQ *waves* to coolkid, who isn't around here nearly as much as she should be.

LOL about your babysitter comment,but true that some people can't distinguish that the soap characters are NOT real people.

Sorry about the loss of your clips, MinervaFan.

Also LOL did you see I'd already joined the fanlisting? I guess we found it about the same time...I agree with you,I really don't see the point of a fanlisting,because there's no message board where you can talk to members or anything. But you're right,it's fun to join and I'm kinda interested to see how many join.

Those things are hard to get the word out about though I guess.

nex4evr Jane's actually been on ST twice since coming back to GH,both times were a hoot,the story about Deidre/the hair debacle was the most recent one.

Wow I'm so glad to see so many people posting in here. *sniff* does my Tracy Q luvin' heart good.

*Hands on hips* Except Keith......where IS he?

And did he see any of last week's eppys?

I'd love to hear his POV about it all.

Ohhhh Keith come out and play.......

*waves* popping in again.

Thanks for the comments about the post.

I try to be as optimistic as possible and see the good in all things Luke,even when there's no good there to see.

Because many people say the same about our girl,and we know the good is there.

As several people pointed out,Luke doesn't know yet that Tracy was taking the vows seriously,he thinks she just agreed to help stall Robert,and he doesn't know she loves him.

Had he known both those things....well,who knows how it would have ended.

Thanks Ms.Q, a thousand thanks,for all the hard work you do posting clips and articles and such.

I unofficially dub thee "Queen" of the Tracy Q thread.

After Tracy herself,of course.

I probably have most of those episodes still on tape but had almost forgotten about the "they may be card carrying lunatics but they're MY lunatics." Perfect example of the Q's relationships to each other.

The articles I also believe I have saved but it's still nice to look at them again.

BTW....*alert* the Soaps In Depth next issue,which if you are in an area that gets them early,will be out around next Thursday or so. If you don't get them early it might be a week from Tuesday.

Anyway,there should be another TG interview,and I think it's mostly Lacy slanted.

*anticipating this,and planning on buying*

nex4evr as far as Tracy ever being "happy," I think she has small moments,and even though I'd love to see her have more than that,I think it adds to the poignancy and tragedy of the character that she doesn't have a constant source of happiness in her life.

I think Tracy appreciates the happy moments like water in a desert,where others like Emily just take those moments for granted because they get to experience them much more often.

I think she was nicest,and happiest,with Dillon's dad Paul before she realized he didn't really love her.

But yeah for the most part she's always been kinda grumpy and mean,LOL.

Still love her though. I'd personally like to see some more genuine "happy" moments,too....I think one of them might have been Luke actually going downstairs to say his vows,it could have been an awesome moment for Tracy and Jane as an actress.

Then of course,as Robert gets ready to take Luke away, we could have gotten more juicy angst after the happiness.

But it didn't happen that way,and it's probably a good thing it didn't,it's much more "soapy" that Tracy didn't get the re-marriage and Luke doesn't know (yet) that she loves him.

Gives us something to anticipate,because I can't see Lulu keeping the secret long.

MinervaFan LOL about your comments about Tracy's happiness and certain people *cough* dropping dead.

ABout the way the writers had the Q's acting at the wedding...I hated that. The writers I give a thumbs up, to including more of the actual Q's in Q scenes,LOL...and if you think I'm kidding,I remember Tracy/Jax's engagement party at the mansion being a quick Alan/Ned scene and no other Q's in sight,so having all of them except Emily and Justus there to me is a grand improvement over two years ago.

BUT they are still writing the Q's as non-observant outsiders in their own home.

Ned would've picked up on his mother's feelings by now. He knew when she loved Paul,and RealNed would know instinctively more than money is at stake in the Lacy marriage by now. RealTracy,if she didn't want to be married to Luke,would've found a way to get a pain free divorce a long time ago.

Monica I can see being one of the last to figure it out,but the cavalier way she just wrote off that Tracy was only interested in the fifteen million kind of irked me,too.

Alan,if the Q's were written true to form,would also by now have sensed something.

I think the fact that the Q's really don't seem to like Luke or want him around,could be great angst for Lacy.

In fact,I think Edward is about to take steps to make sure Luke doesn't come home,at least not to their home. Not a spoiler just my spec.

Dillon is "Dogboy"? LOL

My guess: maybe the writers deliberately made the Q's clueless for plot point purposes.

Lulu is the only one who knows Tracy truly loves Luke,and there's going to be a reason for that.

I don't think it's going to make them best friends or anything,but I might not mind a little bonding(said hesitantly) if it's done right.

spoiler talk:

Yeah the thing about Tracy/Robert...well we already know that Tracy is supposed to offer Robert money to bring Luke home. But is there any significance to the fact that they are locked in a room together?

It's so hard to tell with these writers.

I mean,Tracy going to him and offering the money could be done right after the almost ceremony.

No contrived getting stuck together needed for that.

But then this IS GH. Don't try to make too much sense of the writing. It'll just make your head hurt.

But still...could it be a chem test,and/or setting it up so Robert also learns the truth,that Tracy loves Luke?

Hmm...it's supposed to be the teens that lock them up together.... ,maybe because a lead on Luke's whereabouts comes in and they don't want Robert (or Tracy?) to find him.

Robert and Tracy have known each other for years,and truthfully in the past he's been too straight arrow,and she's been too crooked,for them to put up with each other as anything more than casual friends.

But this time around they've given Robert more of a dark side,and if Robert thinks Luke and Holly have done something behind his back I can see Robert using Tracy to get to Luke. I don't buy Luke believing Tracy/Robert are really interested in each other though.

I do think this spoiler will happen,I think that's what the media net pics are all about. But if there's a point to it other than the money to bring Luke back,guess we'll just have to see.

spoiler talk over

MinervaFan can't wait to read your new story,is it your version of the wedding? I know it will rock,either way.

Goodnight,everyone.

*cracks knuckles*

*ahem*

Honestly I enjoyed today,I loved that the writers may be going somewhere by Lulu of all people figuring out that Tracy loves Luke.

I don't know,I hated that it had to be Lulu,but I think the fact that it's Lulu will be significant.

You just KNOW she's going to tell Luke,probably in a fit of anger or to get back at Tracy,either way...but you just know she's going to be the one to spill it.

But the writers actually wrote it as Tracy LOVES Luke.

That's more progress in the past few weeks than we've seen in almost a year,isn't it?

A reason for celebration,right?

Oh I think Luke's a gigantic rat of ratlike proportions heretofore unknown by man,but he's my girl's rat,and *sniff* she loves him.

I also liked most of their scenes today. I liked how Luke looked guilty when Tracy walked in on Luke/Robert's conversation.

I like how they smiled when they talked,and they talked like they have from the beginning..so easily,like lifelong friends instead of strangers/enemies. I liked that Luke does seem to care about her,and geniunely seems to LIKE Tracy and he gets her. Not everyone does,few people do matter of fact.

I like how when Tracy mentioned in their vows talking about how they'd say how much they loved each other,and Tracy gave Luke that LOOK,although he wasn't looking at her when she did it. I saw JE give that look and I knew then if there was any doubt,"yep,she loves him."

I think as far as them ever being a conventional romance,they won't be,but I'm kinda glad as they are not conventional characters,and the mushy hearts and flowers thing just isn't them.

They ARE the most unique couple on GH...and on soaps IMO,although I really only watch DOOL besides GH,so I'm taking liberties with that statement.

I think Luke sucks for just not being honest with Tracy,that he only asked her to remarry him to make Skye jealous,and that he felt stuck into it once Robert showed up.

What an awesome scene that could have been, the confrontation between the two where he had to admit he was just yanking her chain.

I think he sucks for leaving again,and for hurting Tracy, and yes I know she's angry but IMO she's mostly hurting.

As far as Luke ever loving someone other than Laura,yes I think he's capable of it.

It wouldn't be the same,and it SHOULDN'T be the same.

But I think Luke loved and may still have(more's the pity for us) feelings for Skye. Yet it was different from Luke/Laura.

So far how I see Lacy,I truly think Tracy is the closest thing he has to a best friend right now.

I didn't like how he told Lulu Tracy couldn't be trusted..I mean I see how he'd get that,but hasn't she been loyal to him,ultimately,all along? Sure they have plotted against each other,but Tracy has always come through in the end.

As far as the sexual chemistry,well I think they have it in spades. I think they just spark,in fact again I'll go out on a limb and say I think they spark better than any other couple on GH.

So you add best friends plus lovers...and you have a supreme ultimate couple.

We just have to pray Luke has a change of heart.

I fear it may not be anytime soon though. If I'm thinking correctly, RC's maternity leave coincides again with TG's next vacation,and some have spec'd Skye will be in trouble and Luke will go riding to the rescue.

After him leaving her at the altar for Holly,if this happens,what next?

Him leaving Tracy's sickbed(not a spoiler) to go run and save Skye?

We Lacy-ites put up with a lot of crap,don't we? LOL

Ms.Q thanks for the article scan, I have it saved somewhere.

But seeing the pics reminds me,I do think that article was done around the Trax engagement,although in the pics the color looks different.

Anyway I just like that cut. It's simple and basic and imo THAT'S what the character of Tracy needs.

She doesn't need bizarre clothes or haircuts or makeup to stand out,she already does.

That cut and color are flattering and basic,and softens her face,taking years away. The makeup in those pics is what I like for Jane too,it's also minimal.

See...that's really when I think Jane looks best.

When she faked her death and was onscreen with no makeup,and the morning after the Vegas thing,at home with the Q's,I don't think she wore makeup then either,and WOWZA ! Her face looked fifteen years younger,awesome. The longer hair then suited her,and I still think it does.

JE should NEVER,EVER go back to the harsh short cuts EVER again. It tacks ON years.

And good grief I'm rambling,it's late. LOL

I may not post again before Monday so if I don't, Happy Easter to everyone celebrating !

I agree I think the color/cut during the Trax engagement is one of the best,if not the best looks...that's the color I think is almost blonde,or at least a very light brown with reddish gold highlights.

Nice length on the hair...JE should never do a harsh short cut again.

It just doesn't work on her anymore,and makes her look years older IMO.

Same with the dark color,she and Deidre Hall (for those who don't already know DH does JE's hair color) need to sit down and decide on something lighter, or put lighter highlights in what she's already got going on,because right now it's just too dark.

Yes MarlandRulez Tracy and Anna were sort of friends,not close but casually.

I made the comment about the smirks and eyerolls.

If she weren't doing it in every Skye/Lo/Luke/Tracy scene,I wouldn't care...but it seems she does it a lot these days.

It irritates me.

You know MinervaFan I like your scenario,and I can almost see it happening except for the Holly factor,I can't see Tracy doing that if Luke mentions Holly.

The rest of it is actually plausible...but remember the spoiler about Luke that is supposed to happen today?

You forgot to add that in.

I smell a fanfic if it doesn't happen your way.

I just hate even the thought that he might leave her standing there without a word,but this IS Luke we're talking about. He'll go through the bedroom window with nary a word to anyone.

But then there's that spoiler....I have a feeling he may get caught trying to flee,which is more humiliating IMO for Tracy,than if he just left her standing there,in that case at least she might think he HAD to leave for some other reason.

She won't be happy when she finds out about Holly,though.

ETA Ms.Q I think the color more than the cut,and makeup,are what I liked best about the Tracy style during the Trax engagement.

The hair literally shined with color and healthiness. It BOUNCED. I love that,it just fits Tracy LOL.

ETA yes Ms.Q that pic of the Q's with Larry in it and Lila is the one I was talking about.

The breakfast scene is a fun one MinervaFan.

My thoughts on yesterday:

Tracy's always been a funky dresser,and if the character had ever once talked about or shown an interest in drawing,I would have said she'd be a perfect designer.

Think about it: most things we see on the fashion runway are downright bizarre/ugly.

Back in 89 when JE came back the second time,there was a cast photo of the Q actors in character in the Q living room,and JE has a black and white number on,with ruffles near the throat,sort of like that one yesterday.The ruffles part,not the rest of it.

Someone on another board suggested the dress was played for laughs.

I don't know,but I'll be brave and go on record as saying that knowing Tracy's fashion sense like I do,I don't think it was all that bad.

I could see someone on a runway modeling a wedding dress very much like that one.

Pretty or ugly,my main issue with it is that it looked like a dress a much younger person would wear. Again not out of character for Tracy,even as dowdy as she dresses most of the time now, I've seen her in things too "young" for her and IMO that dress was one of them.

I guess considering that was probably the only solid white outfit she had in her closet though,that we have to cut her slack. It's not every day you have ten minutes to find something in your closet to wear to renew your wedding vows.

The makeup was way harsh,and I think JE needs to go back to a softer hair color.

Remember when GM and I were discussing her coal black hair from 89-93? How it would be too harsh for her skin tone now? Well so is that red. I liked the color of the jaw length bob when she first brought Dillon back in 93,and the color when she and Jax were engaged,it was probably the best cut(the swingy chin length bob) and the best color so far since her return.

I adore TG more and more,I never paid much attention to him or Luke until he hooked up with Tracy/JE.

Luke however, I think we're supposed to give him a free pass because he doesn't suspect Tracy might really care about him,and he does think Holly's life is in mortal danger.

BUT he shouldn't do what I think he's going to do,and that means leaving Tracy standing at the altar without a word.

ETA I could have done without the things Luke called Tracy. Kind of harsh talking about someone like that who just saved your butt,but that's Luke.

OF course we don't know how it will play out,they didn't write Tracy as being dumb enough to be sucked in by Luke's power play in front of Skye/LO,and for that I'm glad.

So maybe Tracy will be aware that Luke is going to slip out before the ceremony,but I doubt she knows about Holly.

I thought that the scene where TG was fiddling with his boutenniere(I know I probably spelled it wrong) was kind of cute and sweet in an odd way.

I mean,why be so worried about wearing one,when LUke knows Robert probably suspects the whole thing is a stalling tactic?

Maybe because he wanted to look nice for Tracy?

I prefer to think that,I realize that the line to Lulu about asking for help putting it on,was already in the dialogue,but I loved the way TG fussed with it,as if it had to be just right.

Lulu/Luke....lots of people online love them,but I just find her boring,and their scene was flat and boring IMO.

Skye....I just wish they'd give Lacy a story away from them. RC's smirking and eye rolling got on my last nerve yesterday.

UGH.

I liked Tracy picking up Lila's picture, I thought the Lulu/Tracy scene was rushed and it's kind of a leap for Lulu to make,considering she doesn't really know Tracy,to assume that she "really cares" for Luke just because she's helping him.

And yeah Lulu is still boring,even with Tracy.

*sigh*

Today should be interesting.

The medianet pics with Robert and Tracy though....she's wearing white.What happens between today and those pics,because it looks like a whole different outfit,and her hair is down,etc. I assumed it was her wedding outfit,but something obviously takes place between now and then.

And wow this was a long post.

Ms.Q thank you for doing all the clippage.

You are a doll.

Well I can't comment yet as I haven't watched, I'm glad to see most "spoiled" viewers who know what's coming tomorrow are outraged at Lucas Lorenzo.

Good. LOL

I will watch my tape here shortly and comment in the morning.

Yeah....well,JE makes the pain bearable,that's all I have to say.

I have read the updates. I love 'em !

Ms.Q what are you doing with Jax/Tracy?

And "Homelands",loved that last chapter,the banter was great.

Today should be interesting Tracy/Luke stuff.

Maybe Luke already knows Robert is looking for him to extradite him?

Because when Luke said can this day get any worse,I was wondering what was "personally" for him,so bad that day.

He didn't know Jesse so he wasn't grieving,Lucky survived,so before he came home,what was so bad?

Unless he already knows Robert is looking for him.

We'll see,I guess.

I hate that it might make Tracy out to be totally naive or stupid.

Wow that Tracy/Luke stuff yesterday?

Lame.

Tracy's not dumb,never has been. Okay I believed she fell for Paul because the circumstances and Paul's charm (and the PS/JE chemistry) made it believable.

Please tell me there's more to the story,though,that Luke tells Tracy there's an ulterior motive,or Tracy is shown not trusting him,etc.

PLEASE.

Cause there's no way my girl would fall for that scene yesterday.

NO WAY.

ETA I think I might have been the one to mention Alan. I'm not sure,but I do know I've always thought he was one of the most important/influential people in Tracy's life.

I read Vicky's response on FanFic and I can't help it,I posted the transcript of the hit and run,the first one.

LOL

I hope that's not against the rules.

Anyway I should just leave it alone.

So I will.

Try to.

I have not yet watched today,I'll rush home and watch and post my thoughts tomorrow...somehow we knew she'd be on the last five minutes and we were right !!

LOL

So how about the kiss,anyway?

Hot or not?

spoiler talk:

You know,the part about the "leaving at the altar",what bothers me most about it is, if Tracy really does pay Robert to bring him back, it would seem that she isn't even going to be allowed to be angry about being humiliated in front of the entire town.

And that's just not the Tracy Q I know,and IMO that's the greatest tragedy,that she might be written as so "into" him that he can basically tapdance all over her heart...and she's just happily going along?

Soooo not right.

But then I got to thinking...maybe she knows all along what's up,and just goes along to help him flee?

I dunno,but it's possible that he tells her he needs to run. I doubt he tells her about the call from Holly,but I can see her covering for him long enough so that he can take off.

But even if she does know,if they get as far as the altar/wedding day,won't she still be humliated,only in a way it's worse because everyone will think he ditched HER,when in reality he's just running?

I don't know. I think I'd rather see Tracy on once a month for five minutes,knowing her spine was intact,than two or three days a week,seeing her become a Guza-Fried Stepford wife.

*big shudder*

I also don't like the constant hints that Skye/Luke aren't over.

Either Skuke are a couple,or they're not.

Either Lacy are a couple,or they're not.

But geez...enough already.

spoiler talk over

And MinervaFan,awesome,awesome story.

What prompted you to write it?

You get Tracy and Alan,you seem to "get" all of her relationships.

Jane E once had a quote a loonngg time ago,where one of the mags asked her if she thought Tracy and Alan would ever be close.

Jane responded by saying that in a strange way,they already were,because no one would dare try to cut Alan's legs out from under him in front of her,she'd have their hide. And vice versa.

LOL great quote and sooo true I think.

I think nex4evr is also interested in clips...yes I'm looking at YOU, Ms.Q, the "clip queen" of this thread.

And copies of tapes,which I have offered to make when I can.

nex4evr several pages back there's some clips I think.

And of course as Ms.Q said we have our fan fics.

LOL MinervaFan at your Luke comment.

I think TG is adorable.

Luke on the other hand....hmm. I'll wait for the spoilers to play out also,before I decide where he belongs.

I hope the *** today doesn't take place only in the last five minutes,but it's possible it'll end with that scene.

I really don't want to have to start chanting "die Luke die !"

It's so passe.

ETA *waves* to everyone lurking and KENTUCKY !! My brother's in the army in Kentucky.

LOL Okaayyyy.....

ABout the spoiler pics,my guess:

I have no idea what the first one could be about.

Obviously Luke is gone.

Maybe they're waiting for Tracy to crack?Dillon looks a little concerned.

The second one...Tracy looks drugged or catatonic or both,LOL...so she's probably neither.

It looks as though she is wearing a white suit underneath a very light billowy green thingy. LOL

So maybe the white suit is her wedding attire?

My guess.

But as far as where she and Robert are....some type of kitchen or washroom,maybe at the

hospital?

Because it looks like a big sink in the background,the kind you find where dishes/supplies are washed,or people wash up at.

I'm probably totally wrong.

A big awwww....to your banner Ms.Q

It's adorable.

ETA I can't quite see Robert and Tracy.

Maybe a few mind games with Luke,but Robert would tire of Tracy's issues in short order.

It could be fun to watch but wouldn't last long.