JackPeyton

Yes we remain the real dream team! Forever. The reason production doesn't work for me is twofold. One, they don't make them do or say anything. We all know reality tv is t a documentary and is heavily edited and whatnot for story and drama. You know that when you sign up for it. Even if they encourage and dire you you do choose to do it. Those are your actions. Own them. To blame production is to deflect and avoid taking responsibility for what you choose to do and say. Second, it renders the episodes pointless to talk about. It's all production. Editing. Whatever. I feel the same way about soaps when ppl defend what characters do with "it's the writing" no duh, guess what when they do so,ethimg you like that's also the writing. That doesn't change when it's good or bad. I'm not surprised about mob wives because all the vh1 shows come off as fully scripted. Not enhanced reality. The Hills is honestly the best reality show ever because they pulled of being fake but seeming real because they used real elements and mixed them with daramatic purpose. Honestly this season of VPR is the only show that comes close to it. I do think the housewives more than being scripted comes off as women desperate to keep genie spot and doing what they assume production wants to keep them around. Obvious production and editing play a role in the shows. It's a tv show. But I think it's weak and cowerdly to place the blame on them when you choose yo do it, to go along with it. Lol! I wouldn't call BH a reboot.

I loved Brian because his relationships with Linda Justin and mchale showed a different side of him but he was still Brian. He wasn't a totally different person with them because he is who he is but he loved and cared for them. He showed it in effed up ways more than not but to know a Brian is to love a Brian and once they let you in they will ruin the selves for you. He did a lot for Justin and Linds.

We've already seen Tamra and Vicki turn and go back tho. It's played out. And Vicki isn't good enough to sell stuff and Tamra needs someone stronger to play off.

I loved Gretchen and while I don't care as much about OC without her I'm interested to see it. I just think that either Vicki or Tamra have got to go. Not both, but one or the other. Heather is one of the best additions ever.

There's still three gone tho. And I'm not sure if I believe she quit out of not wanting to do it, fear of being fired, or at all. I believe all new wives sign two season deals with the second year an option by bravo but I'm not sure. Their contracts for housewives are pretty secret and tight. Even ex wives don't really discuss them.

It's interesting RHONY was thought of as a reboot with three replacements but nobody has said that for RHOC, likely because the vile and hateful wives stayed. And nobody cared about Horse and JesusJuggs.

I mean, technically you two are against me in this argument so I'm the Lisa. Terrible all around. Lol. And yes we are still the dream team. The real one!

I have absolutely zero interest in NJ sadly.

Ps I miss the SON Dream Team do Myself/Car/DaytimeFan! Lol. Better times:

I could always blame it on production

1. This would involve anyone believing Brandi is a pretty sharp tool in the shed and understood the legalities enough to twist it. And from what we have seen in BH I doubt that. More than anything it reads like a classic overreaction without the details. But even in the details, it does involve child support. 2. I don't think it's about money. I don't think Brandi would be on pump rules even if they did pay her. She put herself in a uncomfortable situation for someone she thought as a friend but now sees she was just being used to generate story. But I still don't buy it is about the money, it's about the fact that she was used by someone she thought as a friend. I've yet to see her cry out about how evil is the most evil vile malicious women to ever walk the earth the way her fans are alleging Brandi is. She has pointed out [!@#$%^&*] Lisa has done and refered to her as calculating and bobby fisher after google searching lol. I'm sure Yolanda is also a trashy jealous hater who is spewing hatred and thinks evil is just pure evil? Lol. The Cedric thing, Brandi was been a bitch and thinking it would come off as kinda funny. ESP since it's a years old rumor. I'm not saying she's innocent and a victim, she's done a lot of shady [!@#$%^&*] herself. I'm just saying I think a lot of points she, Yolanda and even vile make about Lisa are correct.

I feel like. Last ditch edit cuz so many kids can't appear or they are actually single women lol. I see ryan will be on for Tamra? I like Ryan.

I think BH can totally bounce back. ATL did it from its worst to its best season with the exact same cast. BH does need to cut Kim and carlton tho. Hopefully next season actually has storylines to playout.

1. The original statement on the link was from eddies camp. Why is it anymore reliable? "Some" is still involving child support. 2. I think it's implying Lisa treated her like she does her sur staff, not a friend. That ranges from using her to get stuff for pump rules - and that much is absolutely true. They made have bleeped the word surrogacy out but that brought practically all the drama that did play out on screen. And I think a lot of the issues with Lisa have played out on screen it's just now getting to the confrontation. People just don't think there's anything wrong with Lisa being dismissive because she's classy about it and everyone knew they had a falling out before the show even started airing so it seems like it's been playing out gif a year. People may not have loved the drama with Joyce but it was about the only thing talked about by fans or covered by press from this season until now with Brandi/Yolanda/ Lisa.

Brandi represents a huge portion of Beverly Hills honestly. It's a trashy city masked as classy. It like Hollywood has this weird perception of what it should be like that doesn't match at all what it is. What they need is a Persian wife. That's what they are missing to fully represent BH. And she absolutely should have been made a full wife. She's no different today than the last two seasons aside she's going after Lisa. She was amazing last season and has been about the only wife anyone has talked about this season.

1. Check out that update. 2. I'm not sure how that us indeed all about the money. I'd be upset if someone I thought I was a friend with treated me like an employee.

Because when ppl call her out on it she denies that it happened and then will just brush it off and try to move on. Luann did put it perfect. She's a drunk who can't deal with what she's said. She's not bluntly honest and says it like it is, she's a mean drunk fool.

I disagree about Ramona. Being blunt and honest is one thing. Ramona denies most of it tho or just brushes it off and won't ever deal with [!@#$%^&*] she's said. That to me is not entertaining. Own what you do and say. Defend it. Apologize for it. Whatever but own it. She did try to bring Bethannys nd Jill together but in a awful and honestly kind of mean way. Tho Luann ensured that it wouldn't work, and that was kind of hilariously awesomely evil. But it seems what redeems Ramona for most is her talking heads. For me they do nothing.

I miss the so KA of season 3 and 4. Ramona is the worst thing to happen to her.

I loved this moment and Ramona laying in the bed crying in her way to tiny dress like the drunken idiot she is. This basically sums up Alex's entire run Bless god for Kelly.

I watched the whole thing again for the first time since it aired and enjoyed it much more. I was a teen when it started so tht may be why. I related a lot to several characters different situations. I found the show pretty realistic of the lifestyles it showed, not just for gays, but for singles for young couples etc. It did have flaws. Some stories are random and don't work. But I think the flaws are few and the pros are many. I relate to Brian the most, tho I'm not an ass like he is. I found Michel emmet and ted annoying more this time than the first time tho I love Hal sparks. The hunter story I liked much better this time. The lesbians I really loved this time around and didn't last time. I think justin gets a lot of hair but I've met so many people just like him. Nd I totally buy that Brian falls in love with him.

No you don't understand. I never even gave NYC a shot cuz of Bethanny/Luann/Jill and my hatred of the, based on one episode I saw, promos, interviews and whatnot so I'm shocked. Like shocked. And I liked Alex going into s4 and Sonja. So I'm still pretty shocked. I don't really like the brunettes, in fact I hate everyone on this show really, but the brunettes are just right nearly every single time.

This reunion is AMAZING. And Ramona is being SLAYED. The way she attacks Luann as a parent, she's calling out Luann for cheating and in denial about her own husbands cheating. I loved it when Jill brought up Mario cheating and pointed out her own daughter would wait til 9:30 for dinner wondering if Ramona would come home. Andy calling her out on the clubbing parties and the video. Yesss. Ramona tried to call people out on [!@#$%^&*] hag didn't happen then when they combat her on it she pulls a oh next subject. Those people are the worst. The only blonde holding her own is Sonja. Sonja, Alex and Kelly are clearly fighting for their spots. Jill looks confident she'll be back lol. So does Luann and Ramona. Cindy looks like she won't be back even if wanted.

The blondes even suck at this reunion. I wasn't expecting this at all. Ramona going on about a dead mans suit. Alex literally panting like a dog. Wow. This is honestly the most shocking moment for me in this housewife fandom. I never ever thought I'd be team brunette. But like I am 100%.