JackPeyton

Here's why I do t feel bad for Lisa, aside from all her lies cat hunch up with her and it being her own fault, she had the opportunity to discuss issues. Kyle came to her to finally a dress the pain caused by both if them and she was brushed off. Yolanda took her aside and Brandi joined them and Lisa deflected, denied and stroked off like a little girl in over her head. Brandi came for her absolutely. Telling Kyle was effed up, but it's what people do when they feel betrayed. Brandi was feeling used and abandoned by her friend so she set out to her and did so by telling Kyle the truth about Lisa. You can call rando trashbox and blame her want all you want for this to absolve the great poor innocent victimized Lisa, but I think that's reaching. Lisa constantly says things are over and people have moved in them brings up the past to discredit them. She deflects and talks circles whenever she's confronted. She's not a smart strong woman. She's the same piece of trash all these people who sign up for reality shows are. She's a victim playing pot stirrer just like Kyle. She's a vindictive bitch just like Brandi is. And that's whee Lisa made her mistake, she underestimated both of them. She watched r a id ruin Adrinnes life. Cheered it on more than less. Brandi used secrets adrinne told her against her and Lisa stupidly decided she'd befriend Brandi and then cut her out. So Brandi did what Brandi does. Lisa walked away from this because she couldn't outwit them all when they had compared notes. She couldn't pit one against the other. She had no play so she bolted. It's typically what liars will do when caught. I don't think Lisa is as lose to Scheena as Brandi is thinking she is, but I don't blame Brandi for thinking that at all. When a friend pulls away from you when your having a hard time it's pause for concern. When you realize your friend is closer to someone than they led you to believe and becoming friends with someone's who's character they TRASHED it's even more cause for questions. I do believe that Lisa cared for and loved Brandi, you could feel it when she told Brandi that, and I think Brandi is coming from a place of anger and hurt and that's why Yolanda tried to get Lisa to see what was happening and deal with if, but she shifted blame, deflected and walked off instead of dealing with the issue like a real friend should. As for the tabloids, her story changed so many times in one day it's hard to tell. Of course Brandi could be lying but I doubt it. And I doubt it because of Lisa. Because of her actions. Because of her reactions. She looked scared that the truth was coming out and hurt that Brandi would out her, not upset and angry about the accusation. Kyle is defiantly coming off better than most. Good for her for playing the game correctly for once. And ken? Just disgusting. He was beyind M yelling at Brandi, Boyce's husband acting a like a bitch, and Paul being all up in the drama bad. It was defending his wife. It was attacking, yelling and name calling board line shaming women who were not doing any of that to he or his wife. He's the one that started yelling and turned that ugly and him alone. I loved seeing an actual strong woman like Yolanda come back at him. I honestly would have loved Kim going back at him had it been anyone else lol. Lisa exit? I doubt it. She is as desperate for the spotlight as the rest are. I think there is two more episodes.

I finally have time to post my full thoughts. The confrontation on the beach: Lisa didn't deny a lot of what she was accused of. I agree with Yolanda about how if Lisa dies t feel that way about Kyle and mo after attacking them multiple times that she should have shared that. She was determined to make sure and attack their character and now she's friendly with them. It's weird. She claims they had a conversation about it but we saw her dodge it and Kyle confirm they didn't get anywhere in that talk. Lie. She didn't tell Brandi that she did call her, she asked when the last time Brandi called her was. Brandi stated recently and previously left messages. Lisa isn't answering or calling back. And yes throwing a party for yours and kyles husbands is a sign of being close. It's a Shane Lisa isn't a strong enough person to have a discussion and hash out real issues. That's the sign of a fake friend. So she just takes off. Then she accuses of it being five on one? Bitch please. First if all there were 4 at most, and I'm pretty sure only two confronted you. Then ken attacks Yolanda? He's becoming such a simon, desperate for a spot as a wife. Sit your ass down old man - Yolanda didn't come for him and he wasn't defending his wife because she wasn't being attacked the. I feel bad for Mo. And yes I totally believe Brandi here. Absolutely. Again she didn't really deny it. Lol at Kim stirring the pot desperate to secure her job. Bye bitch! Lisa whole I am so innocent, this is all a lie, poor innocent me act is gross but she's good at it. Yes ken, no does believe it because Lisa has attacked his character before. Boyce: I just don't care. It's sad, I feel for her and her family, but I'm just not invested in her. The bus: the Scheena issue was always bound to boil over. Once again Lisa just turns things around, deflects the issue, etc. go Brandi honestly. She caught her in a lie and Lisa's dog ken goes on the attack again. A trend? Yup. I totally believe Scheena was there via Lisa because that's her daughters close friend of five years and because the photos of her there she's in the friends/family section. Of course it's possible she was there via someone else but it's unlikely and Lisa was caught in the lie about her even being there. The dinner: Kyle asked the question point blank and she didn't answer. Of course ken butts in before Lisa even speaks. Lisa says she didn't see the tabloids and is caught in another lie. Ken taking this up to levels it doesn't need to go to and name calling women. Gross. It is unacceptable that he's shouting and name calling but Lisa sure doesn't mind cuz she can't answer a question. As evident by Brandi pointing out that she saw it and Lisa trying desperately to point out she didn't pack it, she didn't bring it. Ken demanding Brandi answer when she has but his old yelling ass wouldn't listen. Kim vs ken was stupid and they were both in the wrong. So ken and Lisa storm off. Bye! I bet they will all get along now without her.. There was no ambush, there was a discussion that Ken turned into a fight. Once again Lisa is playing innocent as if she's never said a bad thing about anyone on this show. Lie. Again. So she just leaves so she doesn't have to deal with it. That's what liars do when everyone who've theyvd lied go and about compare stories and get to the truth. The problem between Lisa and Kyle is quite simple. At their core, they are the same person. And Lisa and Brandi came together to take down adrinne and that should have warned both about who the other really is... There's a difference between not wanting to be mothered by a friend and not wanting to be friends.

The BH Blogs > the show. Brandi's was good. She owned some [!@#$%^&*] she dud and was wrong about and I was kinda surprised actually. Kim's was also rather good and she made some valid points. Lisa's was a poor me, I'm innocent, Ken was attacked, I don't know Brandi or Scheena. Lol. Joyce's was clearly Angelina for next season to be Lisa's friend, Patheticly transparent but good on her esp cuz it seems she and Kyle have fallen out. Then there is Yolanda's. The perfection. The honesty. The slaying! Yesss. Kim makes a great point as some of us have noted, Lisa was ver deflecting and not directly answering the question- "I do believe Brandi, she is my friend, and I have no reason not to. After watching the episode I noticed that Lisa kept saying "Just leave it alone," and "Let's drop it." However, if it were me I would want to get to the bottom of it so everyone knew the truth. It just seems very fishy that she reacted this way. At dinner that night there was tension and it was quite at the beginning. Then when my sister confronted Lisa and Brandi the whole table turned upside down. . . like a circus! All my sister wanted was a simple yes or no. But at this point Lisa kept talking in circles about who bought them, who saw them, and when she first saw them. I couldn't handle everyone yelling across at each other so I finally jumped in and said, "Just answer the question!"" Brandi best part- "I understand Ken defending his wife when no one else at the table, but I don't agree with the way he talked to Yolanda (who looked amazing in her bathing suit btw)." Yolanda speaking some truth- "Ken defending Lisa is natural -- I just felt it to be unfair for Ken to speak for Lisa. Ken always told Paul, Mauricio, and others not to get involved in the girls' issues and now he is doing it himself. We, the girls, choose to be in this group and only we should take responsibility for our actions and the friendships between us. It's hard to see everyone's point-of-view but we must share for the sake of moving on. Kyle has a five-year relationship with Lisa with many unresolved issues. The magazine was only a small part of that. Brandi and Lisa were best friends way before I joined the group, which I dont know anything about, but I did witness the overnight change in their friendship. I know Lisa saw the tabloid at Brandi's house but I did not see her put the tabloid in the suitcase. . . This whole conversation has gone off topic for me personally. I can only speak for myself when I say that my issues with Lisa over the past year have nothing to do with anyone in this group. I thought Lisa was my friend, and I believe my friendships with women to be about sharing! Some of you speak about jealousy, but trust me it is not part of this equation at all. There is nothing that Lisa is or has that I want. I cheer for her successes and always compliment her greatness -- but that does not mean that I don't have an opinion. If Ken had given me the opportunity to speak at the table before lumping me in with the three other women and before he called me "stupid," I would have said that I saw the magazine in question at Brandi's house -- but I never saw Lisa put it in the suitcase. Ken did not want Kim to speak for Brandi, but he spoke for Lisa even though the truth is that neither one was there."

What stassi did to Kristen on VPR was an ambush. This was not. Others got involved because they were relevant to it and Lisa was deflecting until Ken started to get bitchy. IMO you need a plan for an ambush. Eta: it's like when Brandi was attacked at kyles house IMO. That wasn't a set up and ambush, but I can see how ppl would call either tho I just don't see them that way.

That wasn't an ambush by any means. Please. Lisa's messy ass out trust in Brandi then distanced herself. Big mistake. Ask adrinne.

I totally agree. Brandi is telling the truth here and Lisa's look and deflecting is proof of that IMO. That sequence if events is pretty logical too because Brandi and Kim have been getting closer. And Kim hatesssss Lisa. Yup. Yolanda > all these girls. Including Lisa. Lisa is playing the game. That's fine. It's what you do. And as you said she's much better at it than nene, but make no mistake it's the same game.

You can try and bring up her past all you want but all it does is make nene look bad. Because she chose to be "best friends" with her. You are the company you keep... Yeah. Kandi was spot in about nene. And the way she did it was so glorious. That is how you throw shade - it's not supposed to be obvious or younger in cheek. IMO anyways.

Oh please. Marlo was very much known before the show. For the wrong reasons like Fay rancid but still. And you act like she's nenes Bestfriend and nene brought her own. She was brought on by the show not nene. To fued with nene who instead befriended her for the show.

Nene is bitter and angry that she's nothing. Period. She thought she was big [!@#$%^&*] and now she knows she ain't [!@#$%^&*]. She needs the show and ain't happy about it and it's showing. She is acting like a spoiled brat not getting her way. It's pathetic and so is she. Marlo ain't her friend. She's her show friend. She added her to her wedding for the attention. Everyone knows that.

Her wig was especially terrible tonight tho

Lol. Porcha. Porche. Porsha Whatever. I honestly don't know or care. My autocorrect says all are right. Prob cuz I type it wrong all the time.

Nene showed her damn ass again more than once. She was stank ass to Peter at his birthday party. She was overly fake with Portia. She was a damn fool at the bailey bowl. She needs a reality check. Sorry Hun but Hollywood don't want you. Your just a real housewive cast member so accept it. You ain't [!@#$%^&*]! Kandi was spot on in her commentary. More fat shaming from Cynthia. Shocker.

Really? I didn't. He was close with Linds Michael and Justin. Deb and Mel called him all the time. So did Ben. Ted and Emmett were rather irrelevant to him tho he did help out ted and they became pretty good friends by the end and that was cool

The us one is basically gay melrose place and I love it for that reason.

I don't think Ramona was wrong for having her leave but I think the way she approached it was absolutely wrong. I think while Jill was in the wrong for showing up Ramona was in the wrong for her reaction. It ended to be hashed out cuz Jill had an issue with it. I don't think expecting your friend to discuss an issue is out of the question. Ramona wouldn't really do it cuz she never can deal with issues. You can't hurt people and say I've moved on so you should to. That's not how relationships work. Luann didn't owe Alex anything. I loved the way she handled that [!@#$%^&*]. Alex looked like a child desperate for attention IMO. I agree about Simon lol. But I like him a lot more than Alex. And yes Ramona looks like such a fool now lol.

Even when I first watched s4 it didn't seem dark and vile at all. S3 was so much worse! I disagree about the brunettes ganging up on Alex. First of all Alex came at Luann in a situation that had absolutely nothing to do with her like she always does. She was pressed as hell that she didn't get the reaction she wanted from Luann and honestly lax came off insane and it was amusing seeing crazy ass Kelly try to make her be rational lol. And Jill going off on Ramona was overdue IMO. She was actually pretty ok during the conversation by Jill standards until Ramona just refused to see anyone else side. Jill was hurt that Ramona would do that to her and bobby. Cindy and Somja were amazing lol.

They lost Taylor and adrinne, who mid way basically vanished from the show anyways. Marissa I guess could be argued. But Faye and Camille? I don't count them at all.

Season one was amazing. I wonder if watching s2 before NYC made me not see it as toxic. Because I really didn't. And I think s3 was way more toxic than s4.

I never liked Dina and was happy her basic irrelevant ass was gone early on. Not happy she's back and don't want Danielle back either. Melissa is the only person left on nj I even like. She just seems like a fun girl. Now don't get me wrong what she dud tre by plotting to get on the show is shady and messy and a bitch move but I think that was a special situation and she doesn't seem that way with most people. I'm hoping Caroline's show goes well cuz I love her family.

Ugh Mimi. I hope bravo actually just pulls the plug. I'd love it if they'd focus on a Texas one.

Do y'all yhink they are reediting any of RHONY due to Ramona filing for divorce?

Is what's her name manzo the first wife to return full time?

Yeah. Looks like nene runs away from the fight.

I agree, but Scheena is also one of the least liked VPR cast members. For some reason Kristen has a ton of fans, not so with Scheena. IRL, I think seeing how close Lisa is with Scheena has caused her to lash out on twitter/in the press.

Yeah I think if Brandi thought that she'd say it. She has said she did it for a friend so she's discussed it. Plus last season of VPR was not the hit it is today and they are airing what was filmed during that time.