JackPeyton

What stassi did to Kristen on VPR was an ambush. This was not. Others got involved because they were relevant to it and Lisa was deflecting until Ken started to get bitchy. IMO you need a plan for an ambush. Eta: it's like when Brandi was attacked at kyles house IMO. That wasn't a set up and ambush, but I can see how ppl would call either tho I just don't see them that way.

That wasn't an ambush by any means. Please. Lisa's messy ass out trust in Brandi then distanced herself. Big mistake. Ask adrinne.

I totally agree. Brandi is telling the truth here and Lisa's look and deflecting is proof of that IMO. That sequence if events is pretty logical too because Brandi and Kim have been getting closer. And Kim hatesssss Lisa. Yup. Yolanda > all these girls. Including Lisa. Lisa is playing the game. That's fine. It's what you do. And as you said she's much better at it than nene, but make no mistake it's the same game.

You can try and bring up her past all you want but all it does is make nene look bad. Because she chose to be "best friends" with her. You are the company you keep... Yeah. Kandi was spot in about nene. And the way she did it was so glorious. That is how you throw shade - it's not supposed to be obvious or younger in cheek. IMO anyways.

Oh please. Marlo was very much known before the show. For the wrong reasons like Fay rancid but still. And you act like she's nenes Bestfriend and nene brought her own. She was brought on by the show not nene. To fued with nene who instead befriended her for the show.

Nene is bitter and angry that she's nothing. Period. She thought she was big [!@#$%^&*] and now she knows she ain't [!@#$%^&*]. She needs the show and ain't happy about it and it's showing. She is acting like a spoiled brat not getting her way. It's pathetic and so is she. Marlo ain't her friend. She's her show friend. She added her to her wedding for the attention. Everyone knows that.

Her wig was especially terrible tonight tho

Lol. Porcha. Porche. Porsha Whatever. I honestly don't know or care. My autocorrect says all are right. Prob cuz I type it wrong all the time.

Nene showed her damn ass again more than once. She was stank ass to Peter at his birthday party. She was overly fake with Portia. She was a damn fool at the bailey bowl. She needs a reality check. Sorry Hun but Hollywood don't want you. Your just a real housewive cast member so accept it. You ain't [!@#$%^&*]! Kandi was spot on in her commentary. More fat shaming from Cynthia. Shocker.

Really? I didn't. He was close with Linds Michael and Justin. Deb and Mel called him all the time. So did Ben. Ted and Emmett were rather irrelevant to him tho he did help out ted and they became pretty good friends by the end and that was cool

The us one is basically gay melrose place and I love it for that reason.

I don't think Ramona was wrong for having her leave but I think the way she approached it was absolutely wrong. I think while Jill was in the wrong for showing up Ramona was in the wrong for her reaction. It ended to be hashed out cuz Jill had an issue with it. I don't think expecting your friend to discuss an issue is out of the question. Ramona wouldn't really do it cuz she never can deal with issues. You can't hurt people and say I've moved on so you should to. That's not how relationships work. Luann didn't owe Alex anything. I loved the way she handled that [!@#$%^&*]. Alex looked like a child desperate for attention IMO. I agree about Simon lol. But I like him a lot more than Alex. And yes Ramona looks like such a fool now lol.

Even when I first watched s4 it didn't seem dark and vile at all. S3 was so much worse! I disagree about the brunettes ganging up on Alex. First of all Alex came at Luann in a situation that had absolutely nothing to do with her like she always does. She was pressed as hell that she didn't get the reaction she wanted from Luann and honestly lax came off insane and it was amusing seeing crazy ass Kelly try to make her be rational lol. And Jill going off on Ramona was overdue IMO. She was actually pretty ok during the conversation by Jill standards until Ramona just refused to see anyone else side. Jill was hurt that Ramona would do that to her and bobby. Cindy and Somja were amazing lol.

They lost Taylor and adrinne, who mid way basically vanished from the show anyways. Marissa I guess could be argued. But Faye and Camille? I don't count them at all.

Season one was amazing. I wonder if watching s2 before NYC made me not see it as toxic. Because I really didn't. And I think s3 was way more toxic than s4.

I never liked Dina and was happy her basic irrelevant ass was gone early on. Not happy she's back and don't want Danielle back either. Melissa is the only person left on nj I even like. She just seems like a fun girl. Now don't get me wrong what she dud tre by plotting to get on the show is shady and messy and a bitch move but I think that was a special situation and she doesn't seem that way with most people. I'm hoping Caroline's show goes well cuz I love her family.

Ugh Mimi. I hope bravo actually just pulls the plug. I'd love it if they'd focus on a Texas one.

Do y'all yhink they are reediting any of RHONY due to Ramona filing for divorce?

Is what's her name manzo the first wife to return full time?

Yeah. Looks like nene runs away from the fight.

I agree, but Scheena is also one of the least liked VPR cast members. For some reason Kristen has a ton of fans, not so with Scheena. IRL, I think seeing how close Lisa is with Scheena has caused her to lash out on twitter/in the press.

Yeah I think if Brandi thought that she'd say it. She has said she did it for a friend so she's discussed it. Plus last season of VPR was not the hit it is today and they are airing what was filmed during that time.

Yes we remain the real dream team! Forever. The reason production doesn't work for me is twofold. One, they don't make them do or say anything. We all know reality tv is t a documentary and is heavily edited and whatnot for story and drama. You know that when you sign up for it. Even if they encourage and dire you you do choose to do it. Those are your actions. Own them. To blame production is to deflect and avoid taking responsibility for what you choose to do and say. Second, it renders the episodes pointless to talk about. It's all production. Editing. Whatever. I feel the same way about soaps when ppl defend what characters do with "it's the writing" no duh, guess what when they do so,ethimg you like that's also the writing. That doesn't change when it's good or bad. I'm not surprised about mob wives because all the vh1 shows come off as fully scripted. Not enhanced reality. The Hills is honestly the best reality show ever because they pulled of being fake but seeming real because they used real elements and mixed them with daramatic purpose. Honestly this season of VPR is the only show that comes close to it. I do think the housewives more than being scripted comes off as women desperate to keep genie spot and doing what they assume production wants to keep them around. Obvious production and editing play a role in the shows. It's a tv show. But I think it's weak and cowerdly to place the blame on them when you choose yo do it, to go along with it. Lol! I wouldn't call BH a reboot.

I loved Brian because his relationships with Linda Justin and mchale showed a different side of him but he was still Brian. He wasn't a totally different person with them because he is who he is but he loved and cared for them. He showed it in effed up ways more than not but to know a Brian is to love a Brian and once they let you in they will ruin the selves for you. He did a lot for Justin and Linds.

We've already seen Tamra and Vicki turn and go back tho. It's played out. And Vicki isn't good enough to sell stuff and Tamra needs someone stronger to play off.