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    AMC Tribute Thread

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    Cross-posted from the Where Are They Now thread -

     

    It's been brought up here before, but this article is a bit more in-depth with their own discussion of it - Chadwick Boseman and Michael B. Jordan talk about each playing the role of Reggie, and why Boseman was fired for complaining about the stereotypical elements (which I think many of us, myself included, noted at the time).

     

    While Boseman talked about his experience on the now-defunct soap in a Howard University last May, he and Jordan had never discussed the synchronicity of their daytime-drama days until we brought it up in a recent interview for a cover story in TheWrap’s Oscar magazine.

     

    “This is the first time anyone has ever asked about that!” Jordan said, laughing. “We’ve done this so much, and you’re the guy, you’re the one.”

     

    “I knew it was gonna happen today!” said Boseman, who also broke out laughing as soon as the question was posed.

     

    “You did?” said Jordan. “Oh, man!”

     

    “I was like, ‘There’s no way in the world it’s not happening today.'”

     

    The character they both played, Reggie Montgomery, was a disaffected teen who initially came across as little more than a stereotypical thug. Boseman, who was 26 at the time, was hired to create the part early in a career that also included guest appearances on “Third Watch,” “Law & Order” and “ER” — and he bristled at the stereotypical nature of the part.

     

    After a week on the job, he complained to the producers, who promptly dismissed him and brought in Jordan, then 16, who was coming off 12 episodes of the hugely influential HBO series “The Wire.”

     

    When they stopped laughing about the fact that somebody had brought up “All My Children,” Jordan turned to his “Black Panther” costar. “Hey, you had him first, man,” he said of the part of Reggie Montgomery. “What’s up?”

     

    Boseman laughed. “It’s one of those things where you get a role, and you don’t really know,” he said. “When I got it, I was like, ‘This is not part of my manifesto. This is not part of what I want to do. How can I make it work?’ Because with a soap opera, you don’t know the full scope of what’s gonna happen — you don’t know where they’re gonna take the character, because they don’t always know where the character is going. And because of that, there’s possibly room for me to adjust this and change it and make it so it’s stereotypical on the page but not on the screen.”

     

    He nodded at Jordan. “‘The Wire’ could be viewed as stereotypical on the page, but all TV series that are worth their salt steal a little bit from ‘The Wire’ nowadays. It revolutionized series television. And this was not that.”

     

    Jordan laughed.

     

    “This was not that, God bless ‘em,” Boseman continued. “I remember going home and thinking, ‘Do I say something to them about this? Do I just do it?’ And I couldn’t just do it. I had to voice my opinions and put my stamp on it. And the good thing about it was, it changed it a little bit for him.”

     

    “I was just thinking that as you were talking,” said Jordan.

     

    “It did!” said Boseman. “They said, ‘You are too much trouble,’ but they took my suggestions, or some of them. And for me, honestly, that’s what this is about.”

     

    “That’s awesome to hear,” said Jordan. “It’s so wild to hear you say that. I’m younger than Chad, and I was coming into ‘All My Children’ fresh off ‘The Wire’ — wide open, still learning. I was playing this role not knowing that a lot of the things I was going through were because of what he’d already done for me."

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    ALL: Soap Stars - Where are they now?

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    It's been brought up here before, but this article is a bit more in-depth with their own discussion of it - Chadwick Boseman and Michael B. Jordan talk about each playing the role of Reggie on AMC, and why Boseman was fired for complaining about the stereotypical elements (which I think many of us, myself included, noted at the time).

     

    While Boseman talked about his experience on the now-defunct soap in a Howard University last May, he and Jordan had never discussed the synchronicity of their daytime-drama days until we brought it up in a recent interview for a cover story in TheWrap’s Oscar magazine.

     

    “This is the first time anyone has ever asked about that!” Jordan said, laughing. “We’ve done this so much, and you’re the guy, you’re the one.”

     

    “I knew it was gonna happen today!” said Boseman, who also broke out laughing as soon as the question was posed.

     

    “You did?” said Jordan. “Oh, man!”

     

    “I was like, ‘There’s no way in the world it’s not happening today.'”

     

    The character they both played, Reggie Montgomery, was a disaffected teen who initially came across as little more than a stereotypical thug. Boseman, who was 26 at the time, was hired to create the part early in a career that also included guest appearances on “Third Watch,” “Law & Order” and “ER” — and he bristled at the stereotypical nature of the part.

     

    After a week on the job, he complained to the producers, who promptly dismissed him and brought in Jordan, then 16, who was coming off 12 episodes of the hugely influential HBO series “The Wire.”

     

    When they stopped laughing about the fact that somebody had brought up “All My Children,” Jordan turned to his “Black Panther” costar. “Hey, you had him first, man,” he said of the part of Reggie Montgomery. “What’s up?”

     

    Boseman laughed. “It’s one of those things where you get a role, and you don’t really know,” he said. “When I got it, I was like, ‘This is not part of my manifesto. This is not part of what I want to do. How can I make it work?’ Because with a soap opera, you don’t know the full scope of what’s gonna happen — you don’t know where they’re gonna take the character, because they don’t always know where the character is going. And because of that, there’s possibly room for me to adjust this and change it and make it so it’s stereotypical on the page but not on the screen.”

     

    He nodded at Jordan. “‘The Wire’ could be viewed as stereotypical on the page, but all TV series that are worth their salt steal a little bit from ‘The Wire’ nowadays. It revolutionized series television. And this was not that.”

     

    Jordan laughed.

     

    “This was not that, God bless ‘em,” Boseman continued. “I remember going home and thinking, ‘Do I say something to them about this? Do I just do it?’ And I couldn’t just do it. I had to voice my opinions and put my stamp on it. And the good thing about it was, it changed it a little bit for him.”

     

    “I was just thinking that as you were talking,” said Jordan.

     

    “It did!” said Boseman. “They said, ‘You are too much trouble,’ but they took my suggestions, or some of them. And for me, honestly, that’s what this is about.”

     

    “That’s awesome to hear,” said Jordan. “It’s so wild to hear you say that. I’m younger than Chad, and I was coming into ‘All My Children’ fresh off ‘The Wire’ — wide open, still learning. I was playing this role not knowing that a lot of the things I was going through were because of what he’d already done for me."

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    The Politics Thread

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    Important thread, click through.

     

     

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    AMC Tribute Thread

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    It could be 30 minutes, it could be 50-60, whatever. You can do seasonal arc work the way PC did, the way many shows like Degrassi do, like Linda Gottlieb tried and failed to do at OLTL in '91. The time is right for it. And frankly AMC and OLTL 2.0 both covered a ton of opening story in 30-40 eps each at 30 minutes. It's doable. I'll say it to the end of time, even though I have no expectation of it happening again. It happened sooner than I thought it would in 2013, and now I think the well is poisoned because of the legal mess and because most of all, ABC just doesn't give a [!@#$%^&*]. They'd rather leave the money on the table than admit to a part of their empire they left behind still having value.

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    AMC Tribute Thread

    in DTS: Cancelled Soaps

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    AMC 2.0 on Hulu was the best soap of 2013, and probably the best soap of the 2010s so far if I'm being mean.

     

    OLTL 2.0 had its issues but was not far behind. Both shows were modern and forward-thinking, and if they'd had proper upper management would still be on Hulu or Netflix. They were the future of our soaps, and the rest of the remaining soaps learned nothing from them. So they have no future.

     

    You could put those shows on streaming in a packaged/seasonal arc deal - say, 20-40 eps in one period at a time - and do it today. The time, the social climate, etc. is ripe IMO, especially for OLTL. But they won't.

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    EastEnders: Discussion Thread

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    Tuning in for the holiday to see if Mel - who I never liked - gets it. A few annoying questions from a very infrequent viewer these days:

     

    • Is it me or do they keep pairing Ian with variations on the same domestic/shrinking violet woman with different names? First Laura, then Jane, now whoever this Jean person is? I know she's Stacey's mother and has been around but she's new to me and new per Ian AFAIK. (Why did Jane never come home after Max was found out, BTW? Not that I care about her much but I'm curious. And how is Max still hanging around after all he pulled?) I'm not saying Ian is worthy of some sexbomb, but at a glance it still seems like virtually the same character model with different variations.
    • Does Kathy have any actual storyline? Same with Tina. Speaking of, I know they're opening a gay bar soon which is lovely news, but maybe they could also add more actual gay people with real storylines beyond impregnating women, murdering someone or just light fodder.
    • Did Ben get killed off by Patrick Bergin from Patriot Games' family after leaving with the fake money, or is he alright?
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    The Politics Thread

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    If he didn't know he didn't want to know. And still doesn't. Like a lot of the far left.

     

    If they attempt this they're playing the game with the wrong Speaker:

     

     

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    EastEnders: Discussion Thread

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    I caught the Kat/Alfie showdown tonight. I doubt he's dead, but that scripted material was brutal, especially re: Alfie; not sure how they can come back from some of that narratively, but I was never one of their bigger fans even back in the old days. Maybe a more invested or regular viewer could offer their opinion on tonight's scenes vs. the Kat/Alfie romantic heyday, which I have some familiarity with but not a ton.

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