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  1. 50 minutes ago, All My Shadows said:

    Erica being out of town for most of the early 80s helped her maintain cordial relationships with the Cortlandts as she had no opportunities to get under their skin, especially Nina. Keeping her mostly in her own bubble during that time

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I think of Erica having an animus toward Donna which may have also kept her out of Palmer's circle for awhile.


    Also, did Erica's return to Pine Valley coincide with the publication of her first autobiography?  I recall a failed appearance at a parade around the time of her return and that she lived with Mona during that period (maybe due to the death of Dr. Tyler?), immediately prior to her relationship with Adam.  Did she buy her house after her divorce from Adam and prior to her marriage to Travis?  And can anyone recall the name of Erica's house?


    Finally, was Nina's later friendship/bridesmaidhood with Erica due to Nina's relationship with Matt Connolly who was close with Jeremy?

  2. On 7/8/2020 at 1:29 PM, pdm1974 said:

    Cassie had such great potential to be a real force to be reckoned with and having her turn out to be Minx's daughter helped bolster the Lockridge family. But, having her turn out to have had a love affair with Warren seemed so odd, and they had to reconn Warren's birth father to not make them aunt/nephew.  Warren's birthfather was never revealed (I suspect they were planning on making it CC), and it all served no purpose in the end. Cassie went nuts and was shipped off. 

    I think Cassie is a flawed idea given that Minx had switched Brick and Channing at birth,  which established Minx as a serial baby concealer.  The suggestion that Minx allowed her daughter to be raised at an orphanage (with boys who made regular visits to the Capwells) while years earlier she couldn't bare the thought of her grandson being raised in the Capwell mansion, (right next door), strained logical reasoning. 


    As for storyline potential, the Lockridge estate was always on the brink of foreclosure due to a lack of new income, so Cassie was not immediately wealthy when she came into the family.  There was no conflict with Lionel feeling betrayed by having a long lost sibling.  There was no discussion of finding Cassie's father.  The Angela/Warren coupling was not worth complicating.  Cassie and her Musketeers played with Mason as children which would have made her years older than Warren.  Finally, the exposition about her birth required the written contortions of both Minx's de-Sorasing and the retcon that Warren was not a Lockridge, (two soap tropes that are not usually appreciated by soaps fans), indicating that Laken was the only child in the family who was actually raised by her biological parents.  If the Lockridges fed their only legitimate child her pet pidgin, perhaps Cassie should have been more grateful to those nuns...

  3. 7 hours ago, SFK said:

    While I have lots of early childhood Pine Valley memories, I don't recall how Erica and Palmer first bonded and got so close. Anyone?

    It's an interesting issue.  Around the time of Nina Courtland's first wedding, Phoebe English (I forget if that was her maiden name or if Brooke was her maternal niece) Tyler Matthews Wallingford had banned Erica from most social events due to her mother Mona's relationship with Phoebe's ex-husband Dr. Charles Tyler.  Erica was explicitly banned from the country club, nor was she welcome in the yacht club.  This was one of Erica's motivations for moving to New York that summer, because her prospects in Pine Valley were sparse.  Phoebe, (who was Palmer's next door neighbor), also expressed that she would not attend Nina's wedding if Erica was invited.  However, perhaps due to her association with the Kingsleys and the Bogarts, Palmer relented and Erica attended the wedding.


    Years later the animus between Erica and Phoebe was mostly forgotten and the relationship with Palmer was always cordial but never close; maybe because she never got involved with any of his relatives.

  4. I have a theory that cross-gendered siblings in soaps are often better written than same sex siblings.  Perhaps because they are rarely portrayed as being in competition with each other, male and female siblings seem to share more characteristics and endear themselves more to the audience for their closeness.


    A perfect example was the previously cited Mark and Erica from AMC.  They both loved a good time, they both used their outgoing social persona to hide their inner feelings of self doubt.  They both struggled with substance abuse, and they supported each no matter the situation.  Fallon and Steven Carrington balanced snobbery with a poor-little-rich-kid persona that I remember fondly from their first iteration on Dynasty 1.0.  AW's Cass and Stacy Winthrop were both legal eagles with a quick wit and a soft spot for outcasts.  And, of course the classic Brenda and Brandon from 90210 were different but shared similar core values.       


    However, male siblings often seem to have nothing in common; except for their last name.  Case in point, Travis and Jackson Montgomery on AMC.  Not only did they not look alike, their beliefs and values were totally different.  Travis was cultured and refined. Jackson was base and banal.  Another example was Frisco and Tony Jones.  Again, there was no familial similarities in either appearance or personality.  It was as if they were raised in separate homes  or under some experiment where their parents consciously reinforced different opinions.  Sure, they both liked to sing, but what other traits were similar between those brothers?  

  5. SOD always struck such an odd tone for a "fan magazine."  They were consistent in their argument about new characters, without any factual support from the fan base.  People who wrote to the magazine to complain were hardly a random survey of fan opinions, and yet their opinions were treated as if they were gospel.  It is similar to the misunderstanding that continues in popular culture wherein audience response is  conflated with Twitter reactions.  These are often the biases of the loudest portions of the audience and do not necessarily reflect the audience as a whole. 


    Even the introduction to the argument lacks logical coherence.  They espouse that scenes with two new characters interacting are difficult for the audience to understand.  However, soaps are notorious for repetition because they are on five times a week.  So, multiple scenes where new characters will inevitably use their full names when replying to each other ("Connor McCabe what are you doing here?") are usually fairly easy to comprehend.  Thus, the whole thesis fails to hold water.  It could equally be argued that a lack of support for new characters was the downfall of soaps like Santa Barbara and Search for Tomorrow, which floundered to hold on to their audience once established actors left and poor writing that failed to create replacements with unique personalities.   Also, if every new character is related to existing characters then we get redundancies (like GH's Dawn and Emily as interchangeable Quartermaine foster daughters) rather than exploring other parts of the soap village.  I would suggest that answer is not always about bringing on a new generation, but establishing intriguing characters who are supported by well conceived plots.


    Finally, who writes an entire article about the fan's support for preexisting characters and includes a side bar about how long term actors should be replaced if they hold the production "hostage" for more money? 

  6. 12 hours ago, Marquise said:

    1988 - ep. 307 Party for Kristen

    1989 - ep. 554 Ridge's bachelor party 


    Can we talk about the weirdness that was Kristen's party set up by Ridge and Eric for her to meet the "top bachelors" in LA?


    1.  The Bachelorette owes everything to this episode, from the introductions of the men in tuxedos, to the fact that everyone is casual about this being a 10:1 group date, to the various guys attempts at trying to get "alone time" with Kristen. 

    2.  B&B's odd incestous tone continues, Kristen is in a room of ten single men but chooses to have the first dance with her brother, then Stephanie comes by the pool filled with guys in speedos but she only has eyes for her son, and finally Ridge stares longingly at his sister when she comes into the party (meanwhile, I still contend that Thorne was always cuter and came with less baggage).

    3. The dancing would have been campy even in 1988.  Styles range from a waltz, to a couple of guys doing the Russian squat dance, to an 80's era slamdance, all culminating in a group dance to an elevator music cover of Janet Jackson's Control.

    4.  Ridge has speedos brought in for all the guys on a silver platter ("one size fits all"), but poor Storm chooses to wear some baggy briefs.

    5.  Some of the guys mention on how well Ridge is doing professionally, but nobody comments on the fact that he, and his grown siblings, are all still living in their parent's home.

    6.  The truly bizarre juxtaposition of having scenes of Kristen's party happening in the same episode that Caroline is dealing with her sexual assault and Donna is about to be exploited by a photographer (maybe Kristen was single because all guys in LA were either unattainable professionals or sexual predators). 

  7. I think the Zoom confessionals are an interesting choice and they add some intimacy to the interactions (especially when Avery zoom bombed her mother talking about Elyse).  But, much like every Zoom call that I am on IRL, I wish they would wear earbuds to reduce the ambient sound.  

  8. 1 hour ago, titan1978 said:

    GH had several performances during the years Brenda and Lois ran a record company.  Ned as Eddie Maine and himself sang all over the place- several times at The Outback.  So did Mary Mae Ward, (in flashbacks and current scenes), and Miguel.


    Also Terry Brock was a singer if I recall correctly.  And Blackie was in a band with Frisco.


    They finally got Rick Springfield to perform music on the show in the late 2000’s with Noah Drake’s lookalike Eli Love.

    Yes, but do you prefer this performative style (where soaps have to contort the plot to fit an actor's desire to sing) or the musical tradition of characters breaking into song to express their inner thoughts and feelings?  I have a campy appreciation for the latter (which I find far less annoying than characters constantly talking aloud to themselves), but I know there are fans that prefer a more grounded soap experience.

  9. 1.  As I recall the soap used to have big cliffhangers the Friday before the Summer Olympics when the networks broadcasted the games during the daytime.  Three memories come to mind: (1) Edge of Night had a short term drug runner story that ended with Preacher and Sky in a car chase on the beach (the footage of the end of the car chase was used in the opening montage for years) (2) All My Children and General Hospital had to be rearrange their summer plotlines in 1980 when the US boycotted the summer games and (3) Days is the last soap that I recall using a cliffhanger prior to the Olympics.  Does anyone else remember specific Olympic related cliffhanger stories?


    2.  Y&R regularly featured characters singing during the 70's and 80's.  At first, it was mostly non-diegetic, for example when Snapper would sing it was meant to be in his head.  Later, Gina's Place gave everyone an opportunity to sing (even John Abbott struck up a tune).  And, of course, Danny usually had his summer concert (with Traci and Lauren as backup) either to educate Genoa Citizens about the dangers of drugs or premarital sex.  On GL, Morgan and Kelly sang to each other, ex-hookers Donna and Kitty both sang at the cabaret on AMC, Doug of Days sang all the time, and Frisco sang to Felicia before being a secret agent.  Who else do you recall singing and do you prefer characters singing only in context or should soaps bring back the non-digetic style? 

  10. Some summer events off the top of my head


    Another World - KBAY telethon (only happened 2-3 times but a great showcase for the singing and dancing talents of the actors and the reappearance of Cass in drag as Crystal Lake )


    Young and the Restless - The Abbotts or the Newmans usually had a July 4th pool party (mostly an excuse to get Brad Carlton in a speedo)


    General Hospital - Founders Day, (everyone went to the park, dressed in Victorian costumes, would be slightly offensive in the modern era), served as a cover when Luke broke into mob boss Frank Smith's office and later when Cecilia needed to run into Jimmy Lee.


    Days of Our Lives - the annual reveal that the local hunk or teen vixen was one of Stefano's long lost children (jk)

  11. 1 hour ago, All My Shadows said:

    "Young and restless friend, you’ll never pass this way again. So, drink the summer wine, and reach for the stars while you have time. Your restless dreams will lead the way, so dream your dreams, and live for each day while you are young."


    ^^^this is one of my favorites, and I may or may not have a nice laminated copy of this verse alongside the YR logo in my classroom.



    I think this is another example of an instrumental whose lyrics fit due to being added later.  Even the title of the song itself is a retcon, it was renamed after Nadia Comaneci used it for her Olympic theme

    Gone, bright shiny days
    Gone in a young and restless haze

    But, what's a restless haze?

  12. Based on the recent discussion of the One Life to Live theme song, I've been thinking about the lyrics of other soap themes.  Thanks to this article which contains all of the theme song lyrics https://www.welovesoaps.net/2011/08/soap-opera-theme-songs.html


    As I mentioned in the OLTL thread, Peabo Bryson's lyrics lack logical cohesion.  Why should we should keep hope that "there's always tomorrow" if we "only have one life to live?"  Doesn't the idea of one life indicate that we should seize this day and not wait until tomorrow?  Also, where do "you go when it looks like the rain won't end" - LlandviewIsn't Pennsylvania known for being rainy?  Why would you go there if the rain won't end?


    The Edge of Night is my favorite theme because it made sense and fit the mood of the show.

    Half dark, half light.
    And do you think we might wake up some day?
    And be aware of all the games people play.

    It played off the idea that it was the last soap of the day and had a haunting melody


    The British soap Eastenders lyrics benefit from being retconned into a pop song, but perfectly fit that show because it is about love and community while set in the fictional Albert Square.

    Anyone can fall in love
    Life's more than that, it's pulling together
    Everyone can share the love
    Where we come from friends never say never
    side by side
    To stay right here in one square forever.


    Passions used poor grammar that resulted in a mixed metaphor.

    You keep me alive
    You are the fire burning inside of me
    You are my passion for life

    I think what they meant was you are my passion, (note the comma) for life.  As in, you are my love forever.  Instead, it reads as if you are my reason for being, which seems antiquated, although it fits the Ethan/Theresa love story and may explain why I never liked that show.


    Another World's theme contained lyrics about the worst kind of love. 

    You are the one that lets me fly so high
    You are the rain when my spirits run dry

    So, I'm only of value because I lift you up and bring you water?  No thank you, sir.  In the words of Janet (Miss Jackson if you're nasty), what have you done for me lately?


    Finally, Guiding Light's decent should have been predicted by whomever approved these lyrics:

    Everybody wants truth
    Everybody wants hope
    Everybody clings to sex like soap on a rope

  13. 1 hour ago, victoria foxton said:

    The Tours of Llanview opening With Peabo Bryson was great. 

    Agreed, but listening to the lyrics, they don't make any sense.  The juxtaposition of the idea that "there's always tomorrow" doesn't fit with the concept that the we "only have one life to live."  To me, the idea that we only have one life indicates that we should seize the day, make this moment count and, make the most of the time we have.  It does not mean that if this day sucks (or the rain won't end) we should wait until tomorrow for it to get better.


    Here's where you go
    When it looks like the rain won't end

    (Where is he suggesting we go?  Lllandview?  Asa's house?  Llandfair?)


    and then in the second verse (which we only heard on days with extended end credits) he changes the entire meaning of the song

    Let's live today
    And find someone to share it with
    Cause we only have one life to live


    Maybe it is just the pandemic, but in hindsight, Peabo lacks logical consistency.


  14. 6 hours ago, Dion said:

    By September 1991, Felicia had become suspicious of Connor. Connor revealed that he was looking for his father and that Mariah might have some answers since as @AdelaideCate007 mentions, they were connected. Mac, Connor, Felicia and Maxie went to Texas where a friend of Mariah's told them about Connor's father, El Patron.

    Through a 2020 lens, the casting of Connor Oilvera, (the son of El Patron who was facing deportation), is as anachronistically amusing as his appropriation of new jack swing music. 


    Unlike All I Need, Lady in Red, or (Think of) Laura, Connor's lyrics have no association what so ever with the love story of Anna and Robert.  Now That You're Here?  Anna and Robert spent years around each other while pursuing other lovers, (and were never written as each other's destiny), so it is not like they just found each other.  A more appropriate title would have been Now That We've Exhausted All Other Options (including the alien in my garage and your virgin pianist girlfriend). But, I guess, that's harder to dance to.  I'm also amused by the rehearsal dinner scene where Mac had founded a jazz club for live music, but the performers lip synced to video backing footage, very 90's cabaret...


    Lastly, can we talk about the insta-wealth that all GH characters achieved in 1991?  Mac went from an environmental activist to a jazz club owner.  A family inheritance caused Bill Eckart to go from a dockworker to buying that gorgeous lighthouse.  And his sister Jenny (who for some reason did not benefit from that wealthy dead relative) went from student nurse housing to the Quatermaine mansion!    Gloria Monty gave up all pretenses of relatability as soon as those ratings drooped.   

  15. After commenting on the 1991 SOD thread I researched Connor Olivera and came up with this old thread: 

    What ended up being Connor's storyline?
    according to,  http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/7967/mlynch.html
    "His character was a singer at TheOutback, and he was pals with Mac.
    He also used to teach Robin dance moves. He had a crush on Dominique,
    but she was hung up on Mac, and ended up marrying Scotty. Connor found
    out that Sean Donnely is his biological father. Connor left PC to
    further his music career."


    Sean Donnelly's son?  Did he go to the wedding with Tiffany?  How long was he on the show?  The actor and his song styling did not age well, but the idea of an expanded Donnelly family tree is intriguing.  If anyone has any additional information on this character I would appreciate it.


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