Juliajms

Because then Margaery would have been as powerless as Cersei when Robert died. Actually, even less powerful because she wouldn't be the mother of the next king, but she would be "damaged goods" unable to marry Tommen. Pushed aside while Tommen married someone else and that woman became Queen. Notice how they made such a big show of claiming her virtue was intact before Joff agreed to marry her. Now she is still a virgin (lol), can marry Tommen, rule through him and have his children, while not suffering Joff's sadism.

I agree with you. I think things are changing because of time and budget constraints. I can't be too critical because of those realites. Still the way Jon found out that Bran is alive seems to offhand to me, idk. It's a small grip ultimately. I was glad to see that Jaime found a way to reclaim a shred of his honor, while managing to get Brienne and Podrick out of Dodge.

I didn't really care for it. Also not really sure what to take from it. A cult sacrificing babies to the god of death? I suppose it's scarier knowing that there is some intelligence behind the white walkers and just a pack of mindless zombies. I also like it when the episodes end on Dany instead of start with her. The scene of her standing on top of that building flying the Targaryen flag would have been a good ending, imo. In a sense what's happening with her is a situation that's looming over the people at King's Landing (and all of Westeros), but the people who should be paying attention are distracted. Same with what's going on at The Wall really.

This is the first time I really agree with you that the show dropped the ball. All I can say on that front is alternate reality. I have no real choice except to go with it. I thought it was interesting that they revealed the killer so soon. I didn't think they would. I wonder what safe place Brienne would take Sansa if she ever found her. As far as I can see that place doesn't exist.

Not sure it'll be her choice. She didn't want it to happen with Joff either and it did.

Wow, he's on Nashville too. Guess his career has taken off big time since Treme.

Well, if The Queen of Thornes is right Margaery's prospects are much improved. She'll still be Queen and she gets to marry the nice boy, instead of his monster brother. He's probably too young for her to get much out of the marriage anytime soon, but given her marriage to Renly, she's too practical to mind that.

I agree, if he were going to do it he would have been slicker about it, but I really don't think Tyrion would have ever done it. Being a kinslayer means something in this world. We've seen that the God's are real. Even Tywin believes in them. Tyrion had a LOT of reason to kill Joff, almost every highborn person at that wedding did, but Tyrion isn't as evil as Cersei thinks. He has threatened her, but we've seen him soften to her at times when she cries. She thinks he sent Myercella away to hurt her, but it was to protect the girl from Stannis. Cersei has never been able to see him as anything but the monster who killed her mother. I think we have Tywin to thank for that. It would also be interesting to see the mother. I think her name was Joanna, but I can't remember for sure. I bet she was a good person.

I agree. I do think Cersei believes it though. She's never been able to see Tyrion clearly.

We don't really know how many people truly believe it. I bet Tywin doesn't. Actually, I bet a lot of people don't, but they aren't going to go against Cersei.

I agree that her story doesn't lend itself to TV. I do like it that they're showing that she's crafty. I don't think Tywin would be able to out maneuver her the way he did Robb. It would be interesting to see Dany and the Lannisters at war. I think with Loras, they didn't want to make the main gay character celibate (after Renly dies) like he is in the books. I can understand that, but I also wish we saw him more with his family.

I'm with you. Sansa had her backbone tested when Joffery made her look at Ned's head. She dug deep and found her inner strength. I loved it that she didn't let him break her. She nearly killed that little monster right then and there. The Hound stopped her, but I never thought he was saving Joffery, just Sansa from being killed for killing the King.

By the way, I'm sorry if it seemed like I was pissing on something you enjoyed. For me, it would be a lot more exciting to see a bisexual threesome with characters I have a relationship with. Say Jaime, Cersei and Magaery or Loras/Jaime/Cersei, decided to hatch a plot to over throw Tywin, while getting it on. That would really be fun, but when it's just random prostitutes that doesn't get me involved in the same way, but I do enjoy The Red Vipers view of sexuality.

But people are going to say a lot of strange things, I don't let what random people say bother me. Just like what you were saying about Arya laughing at Sansa, why let that bother you? It doesn't sound like the people saying these things are posters you have a posting relationship with, so why sweat it? As for Sansa, I don't feel she was kidnapped. There was a second where she looked back and weighed her options and chose to go with Dantos. Under these circumstances she made the right choice. Cersei almost certainly would have had her killed. Maybe she should have left town with The Hound, but for all we know he wouldn't have been honorable and taken her to her family. It kills me to think she and Arya might have met up if she did go with him though. The Hound did kill Micah, but if he hadn't he would have been killed. He sure isn't Ned Stark who would defy his king before killing a child.

What can I say, I'm pretty uninterested in most of the GoT's sex scenes. There's no shock factor because I literally cannot be shocked by anything sexual. So in the end, it left me pretty bored. It was a couple people having group sex with prostitutes. Next!

I guess because it doesn't feel like a big deal to me.

I doubt she's going to see him any differently going forward. If she does, it will be because he doesn't do what she wants him to do. IMO, Jaime loves Cersei more than she loves him. As Jaime said, he's only been with one woman. Cersei told Ned that she loved Robert in the beginning. She was sleeping with Lancel when Jaime was imprisoned. She's much more Tywin's child than Jaime is, imo. Jaime wants to be honorable, even though he's failed. Cersei thinks that's childish. The Hound is an interesting case. I don't think he's a monster by any stretch. In this world, I give people as much credit for what they don't do, as the things they do. The Hound could have raped, kidnapped and sold Sansa. He could rape Arya and sell her back to Tywin for more money then he'll ever get out of Lysa. He doesn't know she's crazy as a bed bug. He's selling her back to her aunt because he things she'll be safe. That doesn't make him a hero, but he's right, there are a lot worse people out there.

I know she had one of his children. That's why I said she stopped having sex with him when she fell out of love with him. She told Ned that. We have no reason to believe that Robert raped her. She had her own reason for being in that marriage until she decided to exit via wine and wild boar. No doubt Robert and Cersei had a toxic relationship, but I have a hard time seeing her as a victim who couldn't or wouldn't help herself, considering she did just that when it suited her. Do you need self defense lessons to scratch someone when your hands are free, instead of kissing them?

Gotcha. I can't get behind calling that kind of thing rape. As far as I know wives still humor their husbands now and again by having sex with them when they really aren't in the mood. Cersei even said that she finished Robert off in other ways, so that she wouldn't have his babies, after she didn't love him anymore. It sounded to me like he was generally too drunk to care who he was having sex with or what kind of sex it was. Frankly, I think if Cersei thought Robert was raping her, she would have had him killed much sooner. That's why, I didn't see the Jaime thing is rape either. As if Cersei wouldn't have scratched his eyes out if she didn't want it.

Here's an interesting article on the Cersei and Jaime scenes. It's odd though because I don't remember Robert ever raping Cersei, not sure what the interviewer is talking about there. http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/game-of-thrones-director-on-the-rape-sex-scene.html?mid=twitter_vulture

Another thing I found interesting was Davvos writing to the Iron Bank of Bravvos. I have no idea what is going on there (either it didn't happen in the books or I don't remember). The Queen of Thornes mentioned them to Tywin and implied he should be afraid. I wonder if Joquin (I can't spell these names, I mean the guy who could change his face) is an assassin for that bank.

I thought it was interesting that at first Cersei seemed like she was trying to seduce Jaime into killing Tyrion. Then she pulled away and said "not here". I don't know, I guess I don't feel compelled to label this encounter one way or the other. What matters to me is how Cersei sees it going forward and if it changes Jaime and Cersei in any way. I wonder what Petyr's planning for Sansa? I guess she's slightly better off with him, but I think she' still in big trouble. I'm sorry they've made the wildings so brutal. I can't really root for them to get safely south when they're eating people in front of their children.

Considered rape by whom? Pretty sure the answer is going to depend on who you ask, as this thread shows. I had no idea we were supposed to think that Brienne is in love with Jaime. I did think it was interesting that he took note of the talk between she and Cersei. I think he knows that Cersei will come for Brienne, if she gets the chance. I was really pissed when Darrio killed the horse. Horses do not fair well on this show, which I suppose is realistic. Couldn't he have aimed for the idiot on the horse though? Tywin continues to be a piece of work. He couldn't even let grooming the next King wait one day. Poor Tommen, you can tell he's a sweet boy, I hate to see him on the Iron Throne. I think he's very lucky that the Tyrell's still want an alliance. At least he'll have a smart, kind wife.

What really shocks me about Porsha getting arrested is it means the show isn't 100% fake. I always figured it was. I mean sure, it might still be 90% fake, but some real things are happening. I'm astounded. I can believe Kenya has a boyfriend. She's very pretty, funny and has some fame and money. Finding a decent husband who can give her what she wants in life is another matter. Not that the fault is in her, but that's just hard to find generally. Lord knows Phaedra, Nene and Porsha haven't managed it yet.

I don't think Dany is anything like these characters. Hell, I don't even think these characters have much in common with each other. Joff was entitled little sadist, who thought he could terrorize the population into submission. I never saw Robb as arrogant, he knew he was the underdog and he didn't even want the iron throne. He didn't have the will to rule Westeros and had already agreed to an alliance with Renly and would have probably done the same with Stannis. All he really wanted to do was go home and be the King in the North, which basically meant being Lord of Winterfell. His mistake was falling in love and not realizing how treacherous Tywin and Lord Walder could be or that Bolton would stab him in the back. And of course, he was cursed as a kinslayer when he killed Lord Karstark, so that didn't bode well for him either. Oh, and then there was the part where Mellisandre offered his name and Joff's name to The Lord of Light with Gandrey's (King's) blood. Guess Robb was cursed coming and going. Like I said before Dany started as a slave on her knees, that's the big difference. She is a leader because people chose to follow her willingly based on her abilities. She's made some mistakes but at least she learns from them, unlike Joff. She also takes responsibility for the welfare of her people, unlike Joff. The fact that Ser Barriston and Ser Jorah think she should rule is pretty telling. I'm not sure even Cersei thought Joff should rule. If anything, I'd say this story has a bias towards people who are in a bad situation at the start and then build themselves up, instead of having everything handed to them only by right of birth. That's what Dany and Jon have in common. It also seems possible that Theon falls into this group. It's too soon to say, but he started off a hostage of the Starks, now he's being tortured, I think redemption is possible if he survives.