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1 minute ago, John said:

 

She looks a lot like a young Sheridan from Passions.   I know she was always allegedly temporary but Days couldn't find a better young blonde girl that resembled Kirsten Storms and Marlena and John?  Hollywood has to be full of them. 

2 minutes ago, John said:

The acting with her hands and then eye [!@#$%^&*] her own dad in her last episode wearing those hair extensions lol

 Lol!  The weird sexual vibe she was trying to generate with John was her crowning moment.  Even Drake was thinking you are the worst!

2 minutes ago, John said:

Martha Madison will be on this summer

I know.  Just not sure why she wasn't in this episode if she was already coming back. 

1 minute ago, BetterForgotten said:

I still hold out hope that the definitive Belle will return - Charity Rahmer. 

Oh, Charity Rahmer.  The 'actress' that seemed to be hitting on her own father in scenes...Miss her!! lol

I really enjoyed today's episode.  Didn't realize how much I missed Carrie until CC walked in.  Love her with John and Marlena.  Strange Belle wasn't there with her husband and daughter.  And in things I never thought I would say:  I thought Josh Taylor was good today and yesterday.

1 hour ago, bella1864 said:

If the baby was born in 2003 that would create more drama since Sonny told Carly that they just had a "goodbye kiss" lmaooo.

I also thought Hunter Tylo could have passed as Brenda's half sister in the 90s. They could've just made it clear that Brenda is half hispanic just like VM is irl. Vanessa said they would drop lbs of powder on her face to make her look whiter lol. Julia left 93' so they could've recasted back then as well or even 96' when Hunter left B&B and show up for Brenda's wedding to Jax. 

If the baby was born in 2003 that would create more drama since Sonny told Carly that they just had a "goodbye kiss" lmaooo.

I also thought Hunter Tylo could have passed as Brenda's half sister in the 90s. They could've just made it clear that Brenda is half hispanic just like VM is irl. Vanessa said they would drop lbs of powder on her face to make her look whiter lol. Julia left 93' so they could've recasted back then as well or even 96' when Hunter left B&B and show up for Brenda's wedding to Jax. 

I think the next time VM comes on will be when the show ends tbh. Maurice and her both said they want their characters to end up together for years so we'll see

A baby from 2003 would have been way more dramatic in 2010 during the lame Dante/Brenda baby story.  I think the ship has sailed now.  Another baby story with Brenda would be kind of overdone. 

Always found it strange they didn't acknowledge VM/Brenda is Hispanic or looks it.  The show would go out of it's way to make it known Brenda/Lily looked alike and that Brenda looked similar to Sonny's mother as well.  Both were Hispanic and then Brenda's blank slate of a mother is just a white lady with dark hair.  Even if she wasn't Hispanic Brenda was too exotic looking to have two white parents.  And this was at a time when GH had a lot of Latin characters.

Anyhow, I agree.  I doubt VM will be back before the show ends.  I am fine with that.  I really don't care if she is back before then, but my little teenage heart just loves Sonny/Brenda and I don't care if he is a trash person.  I do want them to end up together, after he finally leaves the mob for her.

2 hours ago, BetterForgotten said:

That's it! I knew @Marlenaphan was really Deidre Hall! 

Lol!  Deidre has better grammar....

6 hours ago, Vee said:

There is no interval in which Brenda could have borne a teenaged son of Sonny's; their brief reunion and marriage is too recent. Alec could be Jax's, as I believe she slept with him in 2002-3 (and had many other opportunities in later years when Jax went on and off-canvas). She never slept with Sonny during that stint, and didn't again until 2010 I believe.

If GH really wanted to give Sonny and Brenda a baby they could say they slept together after they kissed in 2003.  They met up afterward or something and slept together.  A lot of these random babies happen off screen.  Or it could be an SORAS'ed kid from 2010 which is more likely. Joss was a baby in 2010, so that would mostly fit the timeline.  Although literally the last thing Sonny needs ever is another child.  I do wish they would have given S&B one before he got every random woman in town pregnant.  I would easily sacrifice Dante, Kristina or Avery for an S&B baby (especially Kristina).

8 hours ago, bella1864 said:

I thought the same. If you could choose an actress that actually looks like VM to play Julia in the 90's who would you choose? It was kinda funny how they looked nothing alike. They still had great chemistry together though. 

Well, I mean technically they should have found and actress that looked like CC since she was there first.  Seriously, Laura Wright fits the bill.

Someone that looked like Vanessa in the 90's?  I always thought Hunter Tylo looked a lot like VM before all the work they both had. I really don't know.  I think NLG would have made a good Julia recast honestly.  I wish they would have made it more clear that VM was obviously Hispanic.  I wish the woman who played Veronica was at least Hispanic, although the actress did look like her a bit ( I can't for the life of me remember her name).

I am sure GH could have found an actress that looked like VM to play her sister in the 90's.  The one thing GH has proven is they can find and hire anyone that resembles VM regardless of acting talent.

12 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

From what I saw of her 70's and 80's material, Dee didn't rely too heavily on those moans and gasps back then and felt like a much more natural actress.

 

The funny thing is, though she can be camp and ridiculous with those moans, she can also be VERY stiff at the same time. It's weird. 

 

 

I remember using them with WN's Roman sometimes but not to the degree she does with John.  This going to sound really weird but she also has a different way she cries only with WN's Roman.  If you watch the affair storyline it's something I always notice.  I don't find DH stiff really but sometimes Marlena and John scenes in recent years come off stilted I guess.  Like maybe they forgot their lines or messed up blocking.  Because they probably did.  It's strange for me to describe because I don't find them as a couple unnatural or weird, in fact I love them and think they have great chemistry,  but sometimes their scenes just don't flow right.  Anyway, clearly I love DH/Marlena if I have given this much thought to her performances.  Carry on Marlena and your moans!

2 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

But I do think that's the difference between Dee Hall and someone like Eileen Davidson. Eileen can ground that ridiculous material and make it almost seem real (I guess that's where also playing a more grounded character like Ashley Abbott may help), but Dee Hall reverts to camp and has those annoying orgasmic-sounding acting tics that have gotten worse as time has gone by. 

Oh, I agree about the moans and gasps.  They have gotten progressively worse.  It's an odd choice to say the least.  I don't remember it being as noticeable to me until the late 90's and her and Drake now just seem to use it in all their scenes.  Now I am used to it but I never got DH's motivations for making it sound like she was in a porno.

ED is just a better actress, but I will say that ridiculous material helped not hindered her.  She was dead boring as Kristen before she became evil.

20 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

I like watching Dee, just something about her, but I agree she sort of gave up after the Kristen stuff (she'll try when Kristen is involved or she's with Will/Chandler, but other than that they don't give her great material, either). She still out acts Suzanne. Lawd. Suzanne was embarrassing. But Maggie the drunk is entertaining so I'll take it at the moment.

 

I really miss popup Maggie of the 90s. Holding Alice's hand and just being a supporting presence. Maggie has been intolerable for about a decade now. I miss when I liked the character. 

 

I think the 'older divas' on the soaps started adding hysterics because that's what TPTB wanted. Susan Hayes has said as much about JER. I imagine for Dee and Suzanne it's the same. JER had no interest in Susan Hayes' subtle performances. So now she acts way more over the top than she ever did. Same for Robin Strasser on OLTL ... the list goes on. And they're all very capable actresses when they're more subtle and given the right material.

Deidre is definitely the more watchable and charismatic actress.  I think the OTT is a JER thing as well, at least in Deidre's case.  You can see a shift in the way she plays the material of, say, the affair to the way she starts playing things from Maison Blanche on forward.  But to be fair the material was ridiculous.

Suzanne has always been way OTT and hysterical to me in her acting, and while I didn't mind her as a talk to and Alice's support she could have been given at least 1 story by JER lol.  I like her as drunk Maggie right now.  It's not good acting, but if I was offended by bad acting I would have stopped watching Days ages ago. 

47 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Deidre Hall and Suzanne Rogers are both crap actresses. The only time Dee bothers to step it up is when Eileen Davidson is there to light a fire under her ass. Other than that, she hasn't bothered to put any consistent effort since, what, 1983? 

 

I've found Suzanne to be as subtle as a heart attack with this recent story. Granted, I know she's supposed to be a drunk, but she's wayyyy over the top. 

I think DH/SR can both do good work.  I think they both just tried to embrace the camp of JER's era and basically just never tried stopped.  I have to believe they are aware they aren't doing master acting. DH relies on really annoying ticks like gasping and moaning with John and Suzanne just acts for the people in the cheap seats in all her scenes.  I think DH put some effort in the 90's up until she realized the Possession was not going to win her emmys.  I can't remember really ever liking Maggie, but she never bothered me much either (aside from the Daniel/Melanie stuff)

Ignore.  Tell me more about Willow and Diane being related

5 minutes ago, Marlenaphan said:

Sonny is iconic to GH the way Bill Clinton’s spunk stain is iconic to Monica Lewinsky’s beautiful blue dress. 

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Scotty Baldwin predates Marlena and Maggie. He debuted in the 1960s. That’s a fact.

So Julie Williams just doesn't exist either in your world?  I don't even know why I bother.....I was speaking about Kin in the role. 

Sonny deserves his place on the list. I don't even like his character anymore, but he's been the face of GH for about 20 years now, like it or not.  And I don't like it.  Scott is to me like the 3rd wheel of a triangle.  He's basically Jax.   Scott is not the longest running daytime character.  Marlena and Maggie on Days have been around longer. Leslie Charleson is the longest running GH cast member.  These are just facts.

1 minute ago, John said:

Genie never gets the respect she's due at GH just gave all to Tony Geary & Like and he just shits on the history. Its ungrateful

Genie deserves respect.  I don't question her as #1.  Scott just never did anything for me.  I would never consider him a top 10 GH character.  I don't really consider him that awesome.  Robert is way more iconic, but maybe Scott is better than I think.

2 minutes ago, John said:

CC, CR, PS & KS were all announced as leaving in the same SOD. The only one that quit was Kin. The other 3 were fired

 

I remember someone asked Guza about Julia coming back and he said if he did, they would recast as he didnt like how Crystal played the part

Yeah Lucky said Sly stopped talking to him after they faked Laura & Lesley's death in December 1996

Hmm...
Guza not liking CC explains a lot  Because I feel like Guza would have wanted MORE ways to talk about Brenda. What didn't he like about her?  I would be interested to know.  The only quip I have with CC is she looks nothing like VM.  Even if they had different mothers..just no way, but that's not CC's fault.

I mean, the whole faking of Laura's death was kinda of a dick move to Nik, so I agree with Sly.

9 hours ago, OldGHFan said:

THIS.

And NO Robert Scorpio?!?!  Crazy.

I would swap out Scotty with Robert easily and ditch Alexis for Robin.  Robin is a legacy child of a super couple that has lived with HIV for 20 years and we watched grow up.  Alexis?  Played Dobson once and gave birth to Sonny's most annoying child.

5 hours ago, Marlenaphan said:

Kristen’s “This is what’s left of John and Marlena” scene on DAYS.

 

Tabitha and Julian make love on PASSIONS. 

No comment on Passions, but I actually do love the "This is what's left of John and Marlena" scene.  Kristen stomping on the photograph was pretty awesome.  I actually felt bad for Kristen and I felt at that point John and Marlena were just being a**holes about their feelings.  Like, dear God, just be honest with one another and Kristen.  J&M were just being bigger jerks by mooning all over one another in private, but staying silent.

3 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

Claire Labine wrote her out. Along with Paul & Jenny. Around late 1993. Julia was the type of character Claire would've done a great job with. 

Yeah it's a shame she wrote Julia out.  Paul and Jenny I can understand, although Paul should have been brought back way earlier when they brought back an aged up Dillon.   I think Julia just got lumped in with all the bad things GM did during her return.   I always assumed CC left on her own because her exit was fairly abrupt.

2 minutes ago, Vee said:

Paul and Jenny hung in until early '94, IIRC. Jenny made an appearance or two after that, specifically when she gave birth to Paul Jr.(?)

 

Claire kept Sly around as part of L&L's blended family for several years, then he vanished and I think went to live with Paul and Jenny. I always wanted to bring him back in the early 2000s as part of the youth scene, as Helena's vengeful 'mole' in the Spencer family, angry and resentful that he was left behind, then getting in over his head and regretting it.

  I remember Jenny giving birth and Ned and Lois being involved.  I guess they were always in Port Charles just not onscreen.  I liked Sly and Lucky's friendship.

12 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

Julia & Sly were about the only good things about GM's second run.

Did Crystal Carson leave on her own or was she fired?  I really liked Julia/Ned/AJ.  I just got the feeling they didn't know what to do with the character.  They were invested enough to give her a sister, but then nothing.  Julia was really someone I felt needed to be on the canvas in the 90's, if for nothing more than to tell Brenda what bad decisions she was making.  I wonder if CC just didn't want to come back full time because even when she did recur in the late 90's I felt they wanted to tell more of her story (implying she and Jerry were a couple offscreen, her being intrigued with Luke, her affection for Jax, her relationship with Ned).  Maybe they just scrapped it when VM decided to leave.  I could have possibly shipped a Jax/Julia relationship after Brenda died.  At least she had a brain unlike Chloe.

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

 

Bad. We saw most of it.

 

I'm sure it would have been nice to see Sly, Jenny and Julia again but I expect it would've been brief and the storyline blew.

Julia and Sly I am about.  Jenny was the worst.  I HATED her with Ned.  I never got why she lied about being a virgin.  Was that really that appealing to Ned?

2 minutes ago, Vee said:

Coop was a nice body but balsa wood.

 

There were rumors aplenty that Crystal Carson was going to recur during the original plans for the Fluke/Eckert story a few years ago, when Fluke was intended to be Bill Eckert before Ron Carlivati got mad that fans guessed it and rewrote on the fly. There were many hints re: Bill, the Barretts, etc. Sly was supposedly going to be cast. None of it happened.

I barely watched the show back then, but I do remember Sonny calling? Brenda and asking questions about Julia and Barrett industries.  And we learned Julia sold it, but for some reason I thought it had to do with the Jeromes not Fluke.  Man, they should have recast Sly at some point and put him in Lucky/Liz/Emily's teen scene.  I wonder what the original Bill Eckert story was like before Ron re-wrote.  The Eckerts were pretty useless and dominated the show for a hot minute for sure, but it could have been intriguing

Just now, dragonflies said:

Was Coop the one who turned out to be Scott's son? I can't remember lol

 

 

Logan was.  I am with you there.  They literally are the same character to me. 

2 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

If i remember correctly Cooper was a short term role. For the Metro Court Hostage Crisis. Then he was made a regular. Only to be killed in that awful Text Message Killer nonsense. He only lasted a year. 

Okay now it's coming back to me.  Cooper was with Maxie in that room during the Crisis.  He was a gunman.  And then he worked for Sonny but was a police officer.  I get him and Logan totally confused.  They are kind of like the same character to me.  I googled him and I found that some websites list Julia and AJ as his parents.  Oh the internet....Although I might have been here for an AJ/Julia child. I wonder why they never brought Crystal Carson back permanently as Julia or recast her, especially during Brenda's 90's run. 

3 minutes ago, cassadine1991 said:

Cooper should've been related to Brenda or Julia. He had good chemistry with Maxie and Lulu

I thought they might make him Julia's son. I kept waiting for someone to acknowledge they shared a last name, but nope not even Sonny thought it was a weird coincidence.  I wonder if there was any plans to make them related and they were scrapped.  Does anyone know?  Was the actor just a flop?  I can't really remember much about him

No it's not a horrible list.  Alexis is just an odd choice.   If they wanted to include a Cassadine I would pick both Nik and Helena above her.  I don't hate Alexis-I just don't consider her iconic in any way.  My barometer would be Alexis is right below Jax in scale of importance.

Lol Michael Sutton just is gorgeous but this was right before Stone died.  He actually looked thin and sickly.   I think his physical transformation was really great for Stone's death, although he became 100 times hotter when he ditched the long hair.