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This hurts.

That’s all I can say.

2 hours ago, EONGLOLTL said:

I always lusted after Paul Stevens on AW.   So handsome!  There were so many good looking men on the soaps.  Anthony George 

was another... Robert Gentry, Chris Bernau, Joel Crothers, Michael Corbett. They didn't call it love in the afternoon for nothing!

Is it confirmed that Gregg Marx is gay?   Another dreamboat!

I "knew" about Bernau and Crothers, but Gentry too? Damn, I never would have guessed that one. And I'm guessing Datalounge was right about Paul Stevens? I've found that I can't help thinking his performance as Brian Bancroft has a kindness to it that had to have come from the actor himself.

I hope they all found fulfillment and happiness during the time they lived. I know this is a very naive statement, but it just seems such a waste of who they were that they felt they couldn't be who they were (and not without reason at the time).

On 1/9/2019 at 9:39 AM, teplin said:

Kale Browne was married to Raiders of the Lost Ark star Karen Allen for 10 years, with whom he has a son, and was allegedly sleeping with producer Jill Farren Phelps at one point. 

I stand corrected there. Like I said, I have no idea why I even started wondering about him. Maybe it was Michael Hudson I was getting vibes from? If so, I'll be the first one to stand up and point and laugh at myself.

I remember seeing on Datalounge that Paul Stevens might have been/probably was. 

I don't usually ponder this kind of thing too much, but in watching some of the late '80s Another World episodes available on YT, I ponder about Kale Browne sometimes. Based on absolutely nothing other than something I just can't put my finger on.

2 minutes ago, j swift said:

I don't understand this reference - what was the five faces set?

The Five Faces of Alice, the set that was referred to in the post I was quoting. The clip featuring Wesley Pfening was not from her time as Alice and I wanted to point out that there is a small sample of her work as Alice.

On 1/5/2019 at 1:14 AM, Chris B said:

I’m still searching through YouTube for Another World clips and episodes. I see there’s lots of stuff from the 80s so I plan to start with that once I get past all the 1979 episodes I seem to be finding. Something interesting I found is a series of video complications for the 5 different Alice’s. Considering recasting her was a big part of Lemay’s book, this was a great find for me. Each video is separated by actress and besides the Courtney one which is two parts, they’re each around 15 minutes. I’ll give me thoughts on each actress. 

 

Jacqueline Courtney - the clips for her were a mix of 70s scenes plus some from her return in the mid 80s. I’d also seen her in the episode with Robin Strasser as Rachel on YouTube. I found her to be good in the older scenes. Strikingly beautiful and very charismatic. I can see why she was so popular. She seemed like the perfect romantic lead. In the 80s scenes I do feel she was a little flat and she felt more cold. Overall she felt perfectly cast though  

 

Susan Harney - she was excellent IMO. I didn’t feel much chemistry with her leading man but she was a very strong actress from the scenes I saw. I can definitely see why she lasted as long as she did. If she didn’t choose to leave I could see her Alice remaining as long as she wanted. Also physically she looked the part. For such a popular role it’s interesting they seemed to get it right off the back. Usually it takes a couple recasts to find that perfect fit. 

 

Wesley Pfenning - her video is the shortest being under two minutes. It’s a clip from One Day At A Time so it’s hard to say how she fit as Alice. She seemed like she can act but being a brunette I can’t see why they’d cast her. 

 

Vans Tribbey - I felt she was all wrong for Alice but a good actress. She felt more like a Faith from Ryan’s Hope. I did like the scene with Rachel and considering roles change with recasts I’d have kept her a little longer to see how she worked out. 

 

Linda Borgeson - she was beautiful and looked the part but felt weak as an actress. I’m not surprised they rested the character after her. 

 

After seeing off of this though it is shocking to me that Alice last appeared in 89 and the show continued so long. It seems sad that AW had so many living, popular legacy characters they never brought back. It’s insane to think none of the HWs thought to bring people like Alice or Pat back. I still haven’t seen Pat but I know she was another popular character that left before her time. 

There’s a 1979 (April 11, 1979 to be exact) episode on YouTube, probably uploaded after the Five Faces set, that features Wesley Pfening as Alice, taking place after Sally had run away from boarding school. Also features Michael and Marianne, Rachel, Brian, Ada, Liz, Mac, Rose Perrini, and a few others.

I really wish there was more available from that era. Brian seemed like he evolved into a hell of a good catch from his introduction through 1980. I really don’t understand how he didn’t seem to have a good pairing after Iris.

I have to shake my head at Mac and Rachel in this period. From what I’ve seen, they spent a lot of time acting like two teenagers obsessed with having their own way with each other, despite all the trouble it had already caused between them.

11 minutes ago, Vee said:

Moffat's worst day is more interesting than Chibnall's best.

I heartily agree.

Moffat may have gone off the rails in his last two seasons (and some might say even before that with some justification) but after having seen most of this season, I’m now glad Capaldi didn’t stick around for Chibnall’s boring mess.

I think this cast, especially JW, deserved a lot better. Unfortunately, Chibnall’s going to get a bigger curve than he deserves due to the first female Doctor.

He’d better hope fans don’t rewatch this season too many times, because I feel his shortcomings, and the shortcomings of this season (almost none of which have to do with the cast) will be exposed pretty quickly on rewatch.

Ouch! My heart breaks with all the Bill hate!

No, I’m kidding. There are a lot of great points being brought up regarding Bill Bauer and his many weaknesses.

But I think if Bill and Bert would have ever had some kind of real sitdown or even blow-up fight between 1977 and that awful story in 1983, it might turn out that Bill might have some major things to forgive. Even by today’s standards, Bert Bauer was not a good wife to Bill. She constantly spent money they didn’t have, she nagged at him, she belittled him both to his face and behind his back to his own family, and she made his life as much of a living hell as he made hers. 

That’s what I would have found so fascinating if only Bill would have been written to stay in Springfield after his resurrection, especially after having spent well over a decade with a woman who seemed to be completely unlike Bert. I would have found it very interesting to watch Bill reintegrate and get to know the warmer, more sympathetic, wiser, and more wonderful Bert who was only starting to emerge around the time Bill disappeared.

I remember a line Sean Kanan’s AJ practically snarled at Carly a few years back in General Hospital. “Why couldn’t you have built me up instead of constantly pushing me down?” Bert kept Bill on the ground a lot during their early days, and according to what I’ve read, Bill responded almost immediately and very favorably when she finally started showing him some affection. It wasn’t enough to get him off the alcohol right away, but there were other reasons at the time that Bill was hitting the sauce like there was no tomorrow.

Guiding Light was so good at exposing uncomfortable truths, especially at the time, and I think it would have been wild for a completely different (and better) Bert and a completely different (and better) Bill confront the fact that, whatever the hardships and however they remain tied together by their family, they became their best selves once they weren’t shackled together anymore.

And think of the shockwaves that would have gone through that Springfield if Bert and Bill did file for divorce, but Bill stayed in town and they wound up making peace and becoming good friends as Bill re-entered.

Comparing an ahole like Roseanne to a monster like Kevin Spacey is apples and oranges, in my opinion. 

That said, I think it’d be hilarious to get Plummer in a cameo as the doctor breaking the news to Dan and family that Roseanne didn’t make it through her knee surgery due to complications.

I was just watching the episode when John died and I have a question.

Were John and Pat becoming close again leading up to his death? It looks as if (from the AWHP, anyway) they both had horrendously bad luck with romantic involvements that weren’t each other.

I wish there was more footage of John available. By the time he died, he seemed like a pretty great guy, from what little I’ve seen of him anyway.

I don’t think Spencer and Justine ever lived in Bay City. The Harrison men, all three of them, came to Bay City from Boston. I think it was first Ryan, then Grant, then Spencer.

But you’re right in that it makes no sense Spencer never had a reaction to Rachel’s resemblance to Justine, except that history didn’t exist until the Justine travesty actually started.

I think Carl had some comment around the time he found out Ryan was his son about how “like” Rachel was to Justine, but my mind might be making even that up.

The most of I’ve actually seen of Willis so far (yet hope springs eternal) is the temporary Iris attacking him because she couldn’t get at the already-dead Janice after Brian (the Only Sane Person in Bay City for several years) told them what happened in St. Croix.

Was Willis recast at some point? Maybe if so, a softer actor would have necessitated a change of heart in the character?

9 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

He was married to that irritating Janice Lynde character (sorry Janice) and then I think he was briefly involved with Olivia Delaney before he left Bay City? I can't remember if he had another dead wife in this time frame. I know the wife he was married to before Sharlene died. 

 

It haven't seen those episodes in ages but I don't remember them making Russ look too awful in how he treated Sharlene. There were made up flashbacks of Russ throwing money at Sharlene (were those made up?) but the writing was somewhat sympathetic to him and saved Sharlene's biggest fury for Aunt Liz. The main issue I had with the story is that it just felt pointless, as Russ didn't stay around long and Josie had few ties to the Matthews. The only good thing about it for me was his daughter Olivia, who was obviously a plot device character, but one I adored, thanks to Alison Hossack. 

 

I am trying to remember if there were scenes in the original episodes of Russ having rough sex with Sharlene and treating her like a prostitute, or if I have made that up.

 

I wish Laurie Heineman's Emmy submission reel was available.

There was Tracy, who almost raised Matthew with Russ until Mac decided at the last minute he wanted to raise Matthew himself. *facepalm* MAC... really? 

Back to Tracy, Jason Dunlap was apparently responsible for her death because he was trying to kill Russ but got Tracy instead.

I’ve read that Sharlene (played by LH) was afraid of him, but he also couldn’t bring himself to hurt her either... it was all pre-reformed Willis’s fault, he was the one who told Russ about Sharlene’s past and then had the nerve to be remorseful about it only after the irreparable damage had been done...

Seriously, what was up with that generation of Frames? Even Jamie barely escaped that legacy of blaming everyone but themselves for their issues.

4 hours ago, adrnyc said:

Have been enjoying re-watching the SoapNet run. When you have one of those not-so-great days, it's nice to come home at the end of it and forget about everything by watching Sharlene tell Russ that Josie is his daughter. Aunt Liz comes in and just rips Sharlene a new one! Plus Donna and Vicky are scheming to keep her and Jamie together now that the paternity test revealed him to be Steven's dad. I'm hoping I can continue to find the SoapNet run and many thanks to all of the collectors and owners of these classic soaps who share them.

I’ve been reading the AWHP recaps and watching the 1979-1982 episodes available on YT, and I’ve got to say, Russ treated Sharlene very badly (not that her worthless brother Willis - were there ANY Frames other than Steve and Frankie and Dean who didn’t blame the world for their problems - or spineless Sharlene herself helped matters any), but his life just got worse and worse afterwards.

Did he really have two wives pass away one after the other?

I’m not sure I even want to watch the hatchet job they’ll do to poor Russ to justify poor pathetic heroine Sharlene keeping Josie from Russ, given I’m already seeing it being laid down pretty thick with Sharlene vs. Rachel regarding Sharlene’s crazy sister (ran in the family) Janice, who tried to kill Mac (and Rachel and Mitch).

I’m literally stopping myself from yelling at YouTube, “Screw you, Sharlene! And your brother Jason too!”

Good luck, David. I’ll check this out for him despite the fact that I LOATHE Lena Dunham.

Christian movies are probably preferable to working with good ol’ Lena.

BYE Guza and BYE Tony Geary, who cheerled him all the way when it was Genie who kept Geary relevant past his - what was it, six month contract?

ETA: Substitute stronger language for BYE

I’m watching the episode where Quentin threw the rule book completely out the window and leveled with Roger (episode 958 during the Leviathan storyline) and I’m completely spellbound. 

No matter how Roger was watered down after Barnabas showed up, I can’t help thinking that he was a huge reason why the show survived long enough to go completely nuts and I can’t help wondering what might have been if Roger had been recruited into Barnabas and Julia’s occult detectives league.

Whatever happened to Brian Bancroft? It seems like he was such an integral supporting character for so long and then it seems like he just disappeared sometime in 1985, with not even a “so long” scene.

I wonder how long Brian and Iris would have lasted if Bev wasn’t headed off to Texas and Paul Stevens staying on Another World. I haven’t been able to see much of those two, but I got the impression that Brian’s paternalism (reasonably fair for the time and I thought Stevens made it endearing rather than infuriating) mixed with Iris’s daddy issues actually made them a surprisingly reasonably functional relationship.

22 minutes ago, SFK said:

 

Holy [!@#$%^&*]. I sat reading that just shaking my head, mouth agape, heartbreaking. 

If she messes up again, I’m sure this poor gentleman will be the first in line to make sure she never has an opportunity to do it a third time.

What a heartbreaking situation, all the way around. No winners indeed.

Peter Davison didn't say he was less than thrilled. He expressed one thought that worried him while expressing approval of the person they cast.

And he's apparently been run off Twitter by abusive Doctor Who "fans." 

I didn't send anyone a message, and I do appreciate the videos provided, but I also wish there was a limit to how many can go into one post or one page. It's only happened to me a handful of times, but I've also had this thread crash on my iPhone 7 before.

Again, I do thank everyone who goes to the trouble of posting videos for our viewing pleasure, but I wish we could get some actual discussion of those clips back up.

I'm okay with this.

I didn't need a female Doctor to make my life complete like so many on the Internet seem to have, but if I can't have one season of Capaldi out from under Moffat after his strongest turn was when he was finally out from under Clara or a miniseries with Paul McGann as the Eighth Doctor (not giving up on that yet!), I'm good with this.

Though I do fear the possibility that the gimmicks that tanked Michelle Gomez's Master in my eyes (starting with "Missy," everything screamed "He's a WOMAN NOW!!") might prove too tempting. 

I want the Doctor to be written as a person, just like the Doctor has always been. Whitaker can take care of the rest.

Sorry, but I have to disagree about the Danny/Michelle story. As much as I side-eyed Rebecca Budig, the Michelle who actually fell in love with the violent criminal who forced her to marry him was a complete stranger to me and so I didn't care about her or her criminal husband.

And I so very much resented the attempts to make the gangster Santoses look better by making Ed an absentee father who just didn't give a damn.

For that reason alone, I refuse to accept anything Santos.

Nick and Susan were so sweet, and as a long term Alex fan, I really appreciated that the writers didn't go the easy route of  Nick and Susan leaving town to get away from Alex's toxic disapproval. Alex ADORED Susan before she and Nick started dating, and it was so good to see them not fighting over Nick's personal life, whatever else was going to hell in a handbasket that year (the entire show going back to centering around Reva, Phillip, and Harley - though it was later) that the memory of Nick and Susan just makes me smile. I love them.

12 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

Yes. He couldn't act on there either, although at least he gave Angelique some good scenes (no one really talks about Dark Shadows here but the Leviathan arc gave some of my very favorite Angelique scenes). 

 

Looking back I was probably a real brat with my reaction to recasts (thankfully I had no Internet access) but I couldn't take him, or Alex, or Mindy, or Blake. They were some of my very favorite characters. It wasn't like recasting Lillian or whatever for me. 

 

Over time that changed - oddly enough it was the messy McTavish era that made me accept Marj and Liz (I enjoyed Alex and Hawk bantering and I thought Liz did yeoman's work in the "twins with two dads" saga). Mindy, it was mostly her last months when Michael O'Leary came back and Rick and Mindy reconnected as Eve was dying. It's a shame because I loved Barbara Crampton as Leanna but her Mindy was just plain boring and vapid. 

 

The GL of that era was a cautionary tale in bringing people just because they'd been on another soap.

The first sign of a pulse I ever got from Crampton was with Hoxby's Cutter and Michael O'Leary as Rick and she was on her way out at both points!

What could have been, in both cases!

Marcy Walker and Barbara Crampton are classic examples of not adjusting stories to fit what the actors bring to the table. They held onto the idea of Marcy as leading (though I liked her with both Newman's Josh and Hoxby's Cutter) far too long and they also held onto Nick and Mindy opposite a completely different Alexandra for far too long.

Chris Bernau was equally awful compared to Not!Billy opposite Marie Wallace on Dark Shadows in the same storyline, but I blame her for that one, considering what he achieved as Alan Spaulding.