katie_9918

1 minute ago, DRW50 said:

 

The absence of most of my favorite GL actresses at that point (Sherry, Beverlee, Ellen Parker) and my anger over Maureen's death wasn't a good start, and then when Jordan Clarke was fired (and at the time I had no idea why as I didn't read soap magazines - I just knew he'd been replaced by a very annoying man with a fake Southern accent) and Buzz came in hamming it up, it was all steadily downhill. Harley left, there were two bad Mindy (a favorite of mine before) recasts, Nick was a sanctimonious bore, Lucy came in and I felt she was a bad Harley ripoff who got way too much airtime, I was not happy with the writing or casting for the new Alexandra, etc. I wasn't happy with Jenna being changed to a more generic ingenue or Nadine being subjugated to a triangle, I wasn't happy with Alan-Michael being the third wheel in his family and in the Frank/Eleni story, etc.

 

There were some good parts (Bridget, David, Gilly, Kat, Eve, Holly, Ed, Michelle) but at the time, I can't say I was thrilled. I haven't watched back on an episode-to-episode basis to reassess my opinion. 

Wasn't NuBilly played by the acTORR who played Sky Rumson on Dark Shadows?

I literally laughed for DAYS when I made that connection when I made it that far on my Dark Shadows DVDs.

"NOT!Billy!" 

Fun times, I tell you.

11 minutes ago, GSGfan2017 said:

Marcy Walker joined the cast of GL in '93, but her Tangie Hill character didn't catch on.  I imagine that a significant number of GL fans felt like Marcy/Tangie was being forced down their collective throat.

For me, Tangie's initial run got better with age, especially since Josh's prospects took a steep downhill turn after Annie 1.0 (the non-insane one).

I still hate the pairing with Alan that turned out to be her swan song, however. It's a shame they never seriously considered pairing her with Patrick Cutter. The chemistry wouldn't set the world on fire, but it was serviceable.

This is such a great period that's being uploaded right now, and this dude's been doing it for several years now.

I'd say it wasn't until mid 1994 that the wheels really started to come off and Reva's actual return was the death knell. 

I'm so glad to be able to relive this great period and my first real soap crush David Grant isn't far off.

3 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Is this Scott Hoxby in the Listerine ad? I sort of think yes, and then no.

 

 

It's always weird to see him pop up in various British commercials in the early '90s (often mute so viewers won't know he isn't British). I keep meaning to put some of them on my channel.

That's definitely Hoxby.

12 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

The beginning of The End for the show.

The harbinger of the end.

I think a combination of Jensen Buchanan and someone making the decision to turn Vicky into a Mary Sue (complete with at least three male protectors at all times, including ghost Ryan) completely destroyed the character Anne Heche and, to a lesser degree Ellen Wheeler, had created.

Why Ryan wanted anything to do with her after the whole Kirkland mess is completely beyond me. He should have left that ring on the ground where it belonged and bounced for good that time.

David Andrew MacDonald's Edmund was the closest this show ever came to another Roger Thorpe and I'll go as far to say that I found Edmund's reasons for his more horrific behavior far more compelling than I ever found Roger's.

He was the only character from those dark San Cristobel/Santos days that ever should have lasted more than nine months, in my opinion.

I'm going off what's available on YT from that time, which certainly doesn't seem to be everything, but it seemed like they were trying to have it at least three different ways with Carl leading up to his death-via-not-wanting-to-pay-CK-anymore.

At times it seemed like Carl was returning to his evil ways.

And then they throw in medical stuff that didn't make sense that he could have been faking, such as the headaches while he was alone and not needing to put on a show for anyone.

And then there was the return of his fear of never being able to measure up to Mac (who could blame him for that one, though?) and losing Rachel (and now his children) because he couldn't measure up.

And then there was a mention or two of possible PTSD brought on by the Nikos debacle and Matt and Amanda's betrayal of Rachel.

And then they throw in that Embers in the Snow crap where, out of nowhere, Cass is now one of Carl's moving targets? Was that ever explained, or just dropped in the wake of Carl's death?

I mean, have I put more thought into this now than the writers did at the time?

2 hours ago, DRW50 said:

 

I think the claim may have been that if the show had gone on Anne would be revealed as Frankie or Frankie would return. I can't remember. I think the idea of Aprea as a new character wasn't that bad, but the execution was awful and so wildly out of step with the much smaller show AW had become (that Malone did not seem to really understand). 

 

The brain tumor got the blame. 

 

He was trying to test Rachel. I think the idea was that he'd assumed she would fail the test. She didn't, so he jumped in front of the gun meant for her.

It would have been pretty difficult to bring Frankie back, but at the same time I can't help thinking that any excuse would have worked for a good portion of the audience.

Wow. That really is horrifying. I can't imagine what VW and CK were thinking playing those scenes out. After all Carl and Rachel had been through, to end like that? What the hell were they thinking?

Since the latter years have been brought up, can someone explain Bobby Reno/Shane Roberts, Alexander Nikos, and Anne O'Donnell to me? 

I don't know how popular Sam was, but on the subject of the other two, if Show had two popular actors who were willing to come back in John Aprea and Alice Barrett, why not resurrect the popular characters they played? 

Also, once the Nikos story actually ended, what was going on with Carl leading up to his last "death?" Had Matt and Amanda actually driven him insane, or did they blame everything on the plot device tumor they pulled out at Key West the last week of the show? Did he really try to have Rachel killed, or was he doing things and not realizing he was doing them?

What did everyone think of the original Carl/Rachel romance?

 I realize it kind of turned into everything and the kitchen sink thrown at them later, but I've been watching old clips and I've been really touched at how carefully that initial coming together seemed to be handled.

I'm really curious to hear what fans who watched it in real time thought.

If I didn't hate everything Santos before then (and I did), I hated everything Santos after then.

The worst part was that Nancy St Alban had chemistry with both Daniel Cosgrove and Frank Dicopoulous, more than with whoever played Danny, so the Santos plague COULD HAVE faded just like San Cristobull but didn't.

GRRRRRRR.....

I don't know about Katie, but Hillary never got married. She was involved with dull Jim Reardon at the time of her death.

Good for her and the fans who want to see her back.

For me? Ugh.

I haven't been able to take the Master seriously since Peter Davison. And those were reruns. I literally haven't been able to take the Master seriously since I was born.

I hope Peter decides to stay one more year, but I think the best we can hope for is Chibnall's first half-season. 

At least he's considering the possibility.

Nice!!

I mean like someone who repeatedly goes on TV with anti-gay talking points.

If that's far left spin, so be it.

I believe YOU, Carl. And thank you for not talking down to me like many others would.

This is extremely disappointing to me. I knew all about crazy Kirk and knew that Candace is religious, but I was hoping that she was more silent majority non-bigot religious (of which there are FAR more than the far left would have anyone believe) than crazy religious right.

How the hell is CCB a true bigot? And I'm talking like REAL bigot, rather than someone who accidentally let it slip that they happen to go to church on Sunday or happens to not meet the far left criteria for "tolerant" behavior.

Seriously, I do want to know where people are finding this information, because I've been a Candace fan for a while and it will disappoint me if she's as hardcore as her !@#$%^&*] brother is.

Wow, this thread has gone off the rails.

The View sucked long before Whoopi. She can be blamed for a lot, but she can't be blamed for Joy Behar wearing out her welcome. With that insulting bitch, it was bound to happen.

Bill will get his eventually and it's already started.

I kind of look at Zimmer's book with a grain of salt.

I love everyone's YT skills around here!

I'm still bitter over the events of the last few weeks and in no mood to discuss anything later than 1983.

At the risk of throwing fodder to people who throw shade at 50 something year old ex soap Black actresses who do theater, Tonya Pinkins has been getting rave reviews, alongside Dianne Wiest for Rasheeda Speaks:

http://www.vulture.com/2015/02/theater-review-rasheeda-speaking.html

Anyone who thinks that theater is a step down from soaps has never been anywhere near a Broadway stage.

Anyone who wants to throw shade at, specifically, 50-something black ex-soap actresses who do theatre, raise your hands.

*crickets*

Carl, share!

I'll admit, I'm still so browbeaten from the sheer awfulness of 2003-June of 2009 that I've never had the inclination to bother imagining a continuation, but as I've said, the '70s, '80s, and '90s are ripe with alternate possibilities in my head.

For instance, I have always wondered what could have happened if Brent-as-Marian had done some kind of heel-face turn or face-heel turn as a result of being sexually assaulted (while in the Marian get-up) on the docks. Frank Beaty could have probably rocked an attempted redemption story, it would have toned the violence down, and Nadine at least (and maybe Cutter as well) could have been spared, since she was on her way out of town anyway.

I'm loving all this talk about Hope Bauer and how she could have been used better on the show! As katie_9918 stated above, I loved how Hope was more snarky and aggressive at Alan towards the end of her run. Elvera was so good at it, and it was a shame when she was let go.

However, I would have loved to have seen Hope and Ross get together. Alan would be seething at Phillip's biological uncle dating his ex-wife. What a tangled web that would have been! I was actually wondering if the show was going to move in that direction before Hope was written out...

I totally agree with you about Ross/Hope (they could have been a tentpole couple), but if you put Alan-Michael in a 7-8 year time warp between 1984-1986 and have Justin take an active part in helping raise him while Alan is lost in San Rios?

The sheer dramatic irony there.