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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

    in DTS: Cancelled Soaps

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    3 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

    If some of these classic older episodes could be brought together and sold in a package to eager fans, I think it would be good way to test the market. Since Y&R and DAYS have all their episodes in storage, how about a collectors' boxset of, say, the first 40 eps of Y&R from 1973?

     

    The question is, who will take up this effort when it comes to P &G shows?  PGP/P&G seems to have no appetite for doing anything so far (that I'm aware).  A grassroots effort seems to be the only alternative but who would spearhead that?  Many soap fans, especially P&G fans, seem resigned to the current status of these classic shows.

     

    Personally I'd be all for some type of effort to get a message to collectors to cull their classic episodes to at least be entered into a database to see what's out there and  build some type of support (maybe even through crowdfunding) for continuing the digitization process with an eye toward selling downloads or boxed sets, streaming or a substation channel, etc but I can't get my hopes up for anything happening given P&G's history.

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

    in DTS: Cancelled Soaps

    Posted · Edited by DramatistDreamer

    I think that PGP claims that they only have  episodes from 1979 onward.

    They claim to have 'wiped' many previous episodes. I know they have that Kennedy assassination episode (where Cronkite interrupted the live broadcast) that was likely preserved by CBS. 

    I've seen other vintage episodes from the 60s floating around. I once read that a rare, believed to be lost collection of BBC performances were found in the house of a widow of a BBC cameraman. I don't rule out the possibility of a newly discovered reel. 

    There were even people who worked in television who had television recorders (early prototype to the VCR) as early as the early 70s, so I hope for some random discovery of 'lost' episodes to be made someday.

    For now though, I have to take P&G at their word that their reels only go as far back as 1979.

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

    in DTS: Cancelled Soaps

    Posted · Edited by DramatistDreamer

    It would be interesting to get an estimate of how many undigitized years still remain, after AOL and SoapClassics had a hand in the process?

     

    I just get the feeling that PGP/P&G wants someone to come to them with the perfect solution where they can maximize some unrealistically high profit margin, while doing/giving absolutely nothing in return.

    That's just the sense I get from the company and how they've treated their soaps over the last several years of their respective runs.

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    The Politics Thread

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    28 minutes ago, Roman said:

    and what did this accomplish? Trump has now turned the entire intel. community against him. if he thought they were going after him before......

     

    This is what it accomplished:

     

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

    in DTS: Cancelled Soaps

    Posted · Edited by DramatistDreamer

    Honestly, I never thought about a reboot for ATWT. The only soap I've ever seriously considered as having a great shot at a reboot is Capitol.  

    Capitol had a short enough run that some fans might remember but not a huge number would be 'married' to the original characters or their portrayer.

     

    Honestly, I think there would be problems with reboot of ATWT, especially if there were none of the actors that made certain characters so memorable.  

     

    I don't know of any show with half as long a run as ATWT that anyone is even considering for a reboot. If you're going to use different actors, may as well do a 'prequel' and then give the characters different names and the show a different name as well.

    I remember the whining and complaining over the 2.0 version of AMC/OLTL.  I think the backlash over a reboot of ATWT/GL without any of the actors who made their roles well known might exceed that.

     

     

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

    in DTS: Cancelled Soaps

    Posted · Edited by DramatistDreamer

    It wouldn't have to be the entire collection but clearinghouses are good vehicles for selecting what would potentially be the top sellers, similar to what Soap Classics did, but on a larger level.

     

    There should be some imaginative collective thinking other than just to decide to let the videos completely deteriorate.

     

    If there are no takers, why not give it away to Soap Classics or the TV department of a university library and see what can be done?  Had they done it years ago, how far could they have gotten in the digitization process by now? 

     

    SoapClassics did a hell of a lot with limited staff and limited resources.  Imagine what they could've accomplished had they had years, not months.

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

    in DTS: Cancelled Soaps

    Posted

    I can't even believe that P&G couldn't be bothered to do a measley reunion webisode for ATWT or GL's anniversaries.

     

    Honestly, why doesn't P&G/PGP just sell the damn libraries for these shows? 

    If they think these shows are so worthless, why not just sell to some clearinghouse or video production company that could actually do something with these titles?

    Or is PGP the corporate version of The Dog in the Manger? Or are they secretly holding out for what they assume will be some big payday someday?

     

    I'm perplexed by these people.

     

    Also, no reboot would happen unless PGP sells/leases the rights to their shows, which they've shown no inclination of doing at this point. 

    So far, they don't even want to do anything with their old episodes (and don't dare tell me it's the music rights holding things in limbo, digital technology could remedy that) let alone clear the path for a reboot.

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    The Politics Thread

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    Britain Was a Pioneer in Outsourcing Services. Now, the Model Is ‘Broken.’

     

    I can easily see this situation happening in the U.S. for several reasons.

     

    1. Britain, which uses a high rate of outsourcing, is second to the U.S., which uses the highest rate of outsourcing in the world.

     

    2. The Republicans, like the Tories in England, are prone to austerity measures, which end up starving the public sector, which often helps to fund services for vulnerable people (even within the private sector).  Think of nursing homes that use a mix of personal and state funding.

     

    3. Both Britain and the U.S. rely heavily on foreign labor, particularly in their personal care industries like nursing homes (or Care Homes, as they are referred to in the U.K.).  "Brexit" is currently exacerbating an already bad situation as staffs are depleted with workers leaving Great Britain for other E.U. destinations and these contractors are forced to rely on temporary labor, which are often undertrained.  As the U.S. immigration policy begins to restrict even legal immigration, I can easily imagine the nursing homes falling into this same circumstance.

     

    This article struck me because of the parallels between Great Britain and the U.S.  It's shocking how easily many of their worst crises can often translate to tenuous situations in the U.S. without missing a beat!

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

    in DTS: Cancelled Soaps

    Posted · Edited by DramatistDreamer

    With all these reboots of popular sitcoms happening and reunions and all this nostalgia for earlier shows, it feels sort of sad that so many milestones are occurring for soaps like ATWT with nary a peep, except for message boards and the occasional blog or random notice on social media.

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    The Tennis Thread

    in Off Topic Lounge

    Posted · Edited by DramatistDreamer

    15 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

    ESPN mentioned how much faster Australia had gotten. The noted the match of Cilic/Roger that would have lasted 5 hours instead of the 3 it did last.

    Me either. And I think the tennis media feels the same way because why would they harp on how she accomplished everything now. I kept thinking is she going to try to retire again?...LOL  The media knows she won't be able to win another one.

     

    No, I definitely thought her winning this year was likely, I even told a friend so after the first two days when a bunch of seeds tumbled out of the tournament.

     

    I meant that if RLA had been as fast as it was last year, I wouldn't have seen her winning. 

    This year, the first day, I immediately noticed the surface was playing faster on MCA than RLA and I saw Wozniacki having a better chance than anyone left in the women's draw, given the fact that RLA, especially in the early days was playing similar to Singapore, where the WTA Finals were held last season.

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