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They're throwing a party for Gina Tognoni right now. The entire cast is there it seems and both Jessica Collins and Alice Hunter showed up.

1 hour ago, rlj said:

The Sharon/Nick stand started a petition to keep GT, apparently they have close to 900 siggys, I am impressed

What a waste of time. After all this I highly doubt GT would even consider staying on the show and Angelica seems to stick to her decisions dumb or otherwise.

On another note, Hunter Haley King had her bridal shower and GT was there. I assume she will be at the wedding too. I had thought that MS would possibly be there but it doesn't seem so. 

19 minutes ago, ryanc said:

How’s the rest of the cast reacting to Michelle Staffords return?

Nobody has said anything. 

19 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Having read that GT is commuting I wonder if she had already told Y&R she would not be renewing her contract so they jumped on Stafford. Maybe Gina is happy to be departing.

Just a thought...

Well Gina said at a few events in 2017 she almost did not sign a contract that year and everyone got the impression that contract (the 3 year one she signed in 2017) was the last one she would be signing. 

I feel pretty confident she was going to leave in 2020 but the way they went about it is still dirty. 

As far as people blaming Stafford, she has never had the greatest reputation so thats why folks are probably jumping to that conclusion - though I do think she probably put feelers out there because how exactly would CBS even be aware of what was happening with her negotiations?

Either way, whats done is done. The chance of any of these soaps getting significantly better because of some casting changes is...LOL

5 hours ago, dio said:

 

i'm not gonna argue with you about a middling soap actress getting work outside of soap. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about outside of your fantastical imagination, and I have no patience anyway. 

 

like, the proof is in the pudding. GT wouldn't have kept the role warm for all these years if she had better options. She wouldn't have been on GL during it's dying day or taken this role at all if she had better options. Y'all need to stop acting like these soap actors are destined for bigger and better things, when the truth is it's all about younger peeps and importing more talented/cheaper actors from overseas for film and tv. Look at the tv/streaming landscape. Actually look at it. Big name film actors/actresses are all taking over prime-time tv/and streaming, while movies are dominated by younger actor/actresses and peeps from Australia/UK. It was hard in the past for a soap actor/actress to get roles outside of soap, and it's even harder now. 

 

but like I said: dream big. lol

LOL at "I'm not going to argue with you" and then writing a long essay that said not much. 

You do understand there are other streaming avenues besides the big ones like Hulu and Amazon and Apple? To say it is harder is absurd. What? People are getting HBO deals from web shows they make in their damn basement. I also mentioned her doing theater which she has wanted to do and is in NY where she lives. You know what, nevermind. 

Soap fans always act like its some big betrayal when actors want to do other thinfs. Didn't MS do a podcast and web show? They both flopped but attempts were made. There is entitely too much opportunity out there for anyone to see soaps as their only option. 

As I said, GT should leave soaps alone. You disagree, thats whatever lol. 

25 minutes ago, dio said:

 

oh wow. LOL

 

OK, nvm. Dream big, sis. 

Being condescending due to lack of a rebuttal is about what I expected as a response tbh. 

Anyway, she should absolutely leave soaps alone (unless she wants a check but I think her husband's family has $$$ so probably not)

3 hours ago, dio said:

 

we'll see. lol Let's not act like she's some great commodity, here. She's being dumped from a show to make way for the original actresses' return. I don't even think she'd be able to get Hallmark/Lifetime movies.  

This is a stupid stance, are you serious? Do you know how many actors have been fired from soaps and gotten work. Also there is Broadway there are a million streaming platforms, there are several opportunities and avenues for actors to work. And Gina has gotten gigs before; Sopranos, SVU, the Royal Pains gig she had to turn down because of her shooting schedule. 

She has recently mentioned frustration with not being able to audition or pursue outside work because of the Y&R shooting schedule and the commute.

LOL and nobody outside of soaps gives one iota of a damn about what happens on soaps or with soap casting. This is 2019. Half the people in the business don't even realize these barely afloat shows are still on the air.  

I dont know what kind of goofy thought it is to think an actor goes to an audition and they say "oh no we can not cast her because she got replaced by some lady on Y&R"....LMAO!!!!!!

13 minutes ago, dio said:

GH is probably planning to bring on GT as someone inside the DoD cult, to give the SL some life because it's pretty dead, imo. Or bring her on as a recast of the DA and dump EH, or a recast of Hayden or Britt... lol

I doubt GT would do another soap. They're all on the West Coast and dying with terrible writing. I doubt she would see any of them as worth the commute (she seemed to not even see Y&R as worth it the last year or so). 

7 minutes ago, ChitHappens said:

 

Wendy was Dinah!  

I loved Wendy but preferred GT especially because she had a way better arc than being turned into a cartoon for Hart and Cassie for almost 2 years. 

35 minutes ago, ironlion said:

Just heard about Gina Tognoni being let go and Michelle Stafford returning. I've been waiting for this for a while. I never bought GT as Phyliss for a moment. The only other person who could play Phyliss was Sandra Nelson from back in the 90s. GT is simply Kelly from OLTL for me. At least the soap powers got it right when Steve Burton left Y&R and returned to GH, and when Roger Howarth returned to OLTL.  

 

All I want now is Billy Miller out as Drew and back as Billy (now that Adam is returning), and Heather Tom back as Victoria.          (I wouldn't want Amelia H to be out of a job so she can be Katie on B&B)

No GT is Dinah. A better written far more complex and layered character with actual history and ties on the show and familial relationships that GL actually cared about and a solid foundation. 

Phyllis has always been a pretty shoddily written character who they never invested much in besides being a cartoon sexpot 99% of the time, lets be real. Never cared much about giving her a family until a Avery rewrite cause Griffith loved Jessica Collins and never invested anything in her backstory besides some dumb plot point of her father running some dumb pyramid scheme. There has never been much there. 

15 minutes ago, dio said:

 

you don't like her. We get it. LOL

I am indifferent to her but that was not the point. MS was always an incredibly polarizing person on and off the show. So saying well some people were mad that GT was getting so much airtime is silly because these are the same folks who literally hated and bashed MS to high heavens and who she fought with constantly. 

The notion that she will be universaly embraced or something is odd considering that wasnt even the case the first go round and this is a much worse scenario 

47 minutes ago, sivad40 said:

I can vouch for that. I know another soap opera forum  would constantly bash GT as Phyllis  on her acting tics and Phyllis being involved in multiple storylines.

LOL and you think that means it wasnt worse when MS was there and won't be worse?

Let me remind you all

DC claimed on their podcast that this was done becaue Y&R is desperate to improve their ratings and thought this would help. Ummm...lol. We are well beyond the time where one actor can effect ratings in some significant way. 

3 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Except it's not fanfic that Stafford's contract negotiations with GH were not going well...

 

It is fanfic however to suggest JM somehow was responsible for Stafford getting her old job back...

Exactly. GH did not try very hard to keep her. It also isnt fanfic that her years on GH were unsuccessful by every measurement (awards, accolades, popularity, ratings, etc)

4 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

I think it was more like GH wasn't backing down from contract negotiations, and Stafford had her management put feelers into the market for leverage (which Y&R took). So, in the end, Stafford had to eat crow and come back to Y&R after vowing she never would, because GH was not going to give into whatever demands her team was requesting. 

Pretty much. It was about time GH smartened up. She had played Nina for like 5 or 6 years and the show had nothing to show for it. No big ratings grabbing story or memorable moment, no Emmys or even noms, no big popular pairing so

20 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

GT has been warmly embraced for the most part - I don't think the show expected this type of reaction given that Stafford originated the role. that alone showed that GT was successful in the role. 

Even the old fossils on Facebook do not seem very thrilled with this news and that is pretty shocking to me since the super old viewers seem the most reluctant to recasts and stuff but there isn't some big sense of elation or joy there either. 

Its quite odd. Also what a weird position for the cast, though some have been more vocal than I was expecting (Camryn, Eileen, EB)

Wow. Kind of shocked that EB retweeted this comment....

Yikes. Y&R actors now liking tweets saying this is total bullshit. 

That show is already an awful mess behind the scenes, this will just continue. 

I can not wait to hear Peter and Sharon's reactions. I know they are PISSED. 

How long did people really think GT was going to commute from Jersey to LA every week? 

Gina made it pretty clear to everyone when she signed a contract in 2017 that she was u likely to sign another one in 2020. She told people at a fan event she almsot didn't sign in 2017 so she was likely going to leave in the summer od next year. 

She won the show its first Lead Actress Emmy in like a decade and got another Emmy nom, she's fine. 

I personally think the character of Phyllis, regardless of who plays her is a dud, though Gina gave her some layers others did 't. Still, the writing for the character has always been lame and shallow. I think Gina thought she was coming to play a Dinah-esque character and ended up severely disappointed. 

Anyway, Y&R hasn't been worth watching in a while and this news doesn't really change anything. 

This is the first time I have ever seen this in English. Now I understand why people on Twitter call him "Ridge the rapist"

It's really sad (and yet indicative of the quality of the writing on soaps for the last decade plus) that 99% of the scenes posted here aren't from the last 15-20 years.