Vizion

1 minute ago, Aback said:

 

Can't see what you mean really  Was he going commando? Doesn't look that evident to me.

Lol, there is a VERY noticeable print at the end of the scene. I found it kind of jarring 

Randomly looking at B&B episodes to see what classic stuff is still on You Tube and came across this clip. I can't believe they had Kyle Lowder just flopping around like that (though I guess that might be why they quickly cut out of that scene). 

If you go to 6:18 in this video when he jumps on the bed you'll see what I mean 

I actually liked Grant's character too though his story was changed more times than I could count. He originally came on as an old high school boyfriend of Taylor's, I think their first scenes were them making out but almost immediately after that Hunter officially informed them she was leaving for Melrose and they quickly shifted to a Grant/Brooke/Ridge triangle. 

But I will say that I was glad, and whomever made the decision (Bill or Brad) was correct, that 1998 pretty much killed the Brooke/Ridge/Taylor triangle for several years (until Hunter had contract issues with the show again). After the merry go round of 1997 it was time to settle those characters and play something else. 

Of course that led to Brooke/Thorne and Brooke/Decaon and while I enjoyed Kanan on the show, Deacon took a lot of characters in directions they couldn't really recover from IMO. 

I think Brad Bell is honestly a bad writer and without his father overseeing things became outright atrocious but the most frustrating thing about him was the waste and stupid rotation of great characters. Characters would come in, stay for a year or two and inevitably be killed off - even if the character was working. 

On 9/18/2019 at 12:27 AM, DRW50 said:

I thought this story sucked, but I can't deny this sequence is impeccably filmed.

 

 

It was weird. Taylor and Ridge were very obviously Bill Bell's favorite and his preferred couple. But Hunter was so back and forth with the show from 1994-1996 that the writing felt very sporadic. Hunter would leave, and they would slap Brooke and Ridge back together and then Hunter would return and they'd very swiftly go back to Taylor and Ridge. 

Taylor accepting this proposal made very little sense. She and Ridge had little interaction leading up to this because Hunter had just returned to the show and was pregnant so wasn't taping as much. It was like they rushed a Taylor and Ridge reunion cause they weren't sure if Hunter was going to stick around (an understandable concern during that time but still.....)

I disagree on 1997-1998 though, I loved that whole Who Shot Grant, Taylor claims Thomas is Thorne's and Brooke fakes a pregnancy/miscarriage mess. Bold was a bit of a mess in 1995 and 1996 but got back on track in 1997 IMO. 

Angelica was a mess but I know that when she was hired by Les Moonves he told her that she could cancel the soaps if she wanted to and she refused to do so. 

3 hours ago, Fevuh said:

I really don't give a crap about B&B or any soap at this point and certainly not any bad actress like her.  It's comical at this point.  

Yet here you are....talking and posting about soaps

1 hour ago, Soapsuds said:

Y&R is still almost 500000 less than this time last year. It is still bleeding. The small increases with what Griffith and the promos promoted are a total failure. Viewers should be returning in droves like they did recently for B&B but they're not.

 

Michelle Stafford big return was a big failure. They should've kept Gina.

 

22 hours ago, Fevuh said:

She's so highly in demand and such a great actress.  People are fighting to hire her.  Still say - hope she's got that Melrose Money.  

I think - she would have a chance if she could move her face.  But she's got more plastic in her to sell Rubbermaid containers for the next 20 years.  She and Lisa Rinna cannot stop.  It's sad and something I don't want to see.  She's awful.  

You seem very personally hurt by the fact that Hunter does not want to return and way too into her personal finances. Weird.  

1 hour ago, YRfan23 said:

There definitely was some sort of deal set in to make Susan stay longer, because I think she had grown tired of the show at least a decade or so before she actually retired...

Ronn Moss said something to the effect of Susan wanted to leave since like 2004 at some event. 

KKL is never going to leave but everyone else  from that generation seemed to be pretty over it the last decade tbh. Plus the show moved into becoming all about Liam and his harem.

Oh that's from B&B, the terrible years. 

I have to say, Flannery is Flannery and they obviously let her do what she wanted but I kind of hated the change in Stephanie's attire and overall lack of care given to her appearance after a certain period. The clothes, the hair, all of it felt very out of character. I think again most of it was the show doing whatever it could to make Flannery happy so she wouldn't quit that crapfest earlier than she did but still....

In the same vein, they also started letting Ridge morph into Ronn Moss with all the ugly scarves and that nonsense. 

Man, Susan Flannery (and this writing) is MISSED.

It really baffles me that soaps can't be more creative with the storytelling. They just recycle plot points instead of digging deeper. A man and a woman married for 20 years get divorced after he leaves her for a younger woman. Stephanie is in denial and believes he's just having a midlife crisis and he will eventually come back to her. It sounds simple enough but Stephanie's POV was written very well and more compelling than anything I have seen on B&B in ages. 

I seesaw back and forth between feeling really sad about what has happened to soaps, just thinking they're better off being cancelled and having a small glimmer of hope that at least one writer on one show will get it or possibly turn their show around. 

1 hour ago, ChitHappens said:

 

 

 

 

No one's gonna miss this!  Time to recast Taylor and I want a casting fee because Julie P would be perfect.

Hunter has been a mess the last decade or so but honestly, what is the purpose of a recast Taylor? Because recast Ridge and recast Thorne have been so successful? So she can return and battle KKL over some flop Ridge that nobody gives a damn about? Or because they need someone to yammer on to Steffi about how she and Liam are meant to be?

Recast with whoever you want, the writing isn't going to change and the show still sucks (which is likely why HT doesn't want to return in the first place). 

3 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

 I tend to want to ignore any Y&R/B&B post 2005 history. 

Same tbh. I really think those two shows saw the sharpest declines in quality around the early and mid 00's and it felt so drastic.

Other shows had already cycled through various writers and regimes - people with different visions for the show - but the Bell soaps had such a clear and steady creative vision for such a long time under Bill. When that changed you immediately felt it. Like you spent 15-20 years eating filet mignon at the best restaurant in town and then all of a sudden you go to that same restaurant and someone is trying to shove spam down your throat. 

Yep all the time. 

Y&R - It ebbs and flows. There is a lot of nonsensical crap that happened on that show after 2005 that I just flat out ignore. 

B&B - I don't pay attention to anything that happened after 2001/2002. Once Bill Bell got sick and was no longer involved in the show, the show went to hell. It was an obvious and rapid decline. I'm not really concerned about any plot points that happened after that. I just kind of pretend it was cancelled after Sheila went to jail. Shrugs.

GL - Was the show still on the air after 2007? I like to pretend it wasn't. I also don't acknowledge any of the San Cristohell mess 

6 hours ago, crc said:

I hope the issues between Hunter Tylo and Brad Bell aren't true.  I actually like Taylor and think she's needed on the show.  When her two children are arguably driving all the story it makes no sense for her not to be involved.  I just didn't care much for the way she's been written and used.  And her absence at this time just further ruins the character.

Further ruins? Brad Bell has been destroying all these characters for 15 years. There is very little value in being the last person on a sinking ship. I know some soap fans really believe in the "band was playing as the ship went down" mantra like there is some reward for being on a show when it is cancelled but I kind of believe at this point that people should gtf off the boat when you see its tanking (meaning she probably should have never agreed to return after she quit in 2002 since she has acknowledged that the show has stunk since 2001).

This really applies to all vets on all the soaps now. There is very little value in returning to soaps in 2019 unless you need money - its gauranteed the quality of the material will be terrible lets be honest.  

2 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

I know Hunter is a mess, but if she really doesn't want to come back... I don't blame her in the slightest.

on the other hand....I'm shocked RC hasn't gotten her to come back to Days to reprise the role of Marina Toscana.

Honestly why would any of the old crew want to return to this show? For what? Unless they really REALLY need a check I would not look twice at B&B. I am shocked that McCook is still there. 

3 hours ago, reallyhateskateonlost said:

VI and TK  still have that chemistry like they did on AMC. I'm dreading that shrieking shrink Taylor coming back.

Heard a few people say Hunter has no plans nor desire to return (and they have asked). Not sure what happened or if she is just sick of the show. 

On 8/20/2019 at 3:47 PM, soapfan770 said:

 

Isn't that shame too? B&B was so on fire 1997-1998, from Eric & Stephanie's wedding disaster, Grant's theft(well, it was HIS own designs!) from Forrester and showing up at Spectra in retaliation against Brooke and the Forresters doing him wrong, the fashion show in Italy complete with Stephanie's revenge against Sally at Lake Como, Sheila pushed to suicide and jumped off the roof in her wedding dress, and of course Brooke & Taylor having each risen the stakes between Taylor's pregnancy and of course Brooke's fake pregnancy and fake miscarriage. 

A lot of the Taylor, Ridge, Thorne, Brooke stuff is still up on (the main focus of the clips is Taylor and Ridge though). It's unfortunate that full episodes or stuff for other characters isn't up anywhere. 

Boy is it hard looking at how entertaining the show was in 1997-1998 and how it became awful rubbish by 2002-2003

Does anyone know why its so damn hard to find episodes from 1997-1999? I heard that those years did not air in a bunch of countries for some reason (like someone told me it didn't air in the UK)? 

12 hours ago, edgeofnik said:

 

Interesting and not entirely untrue. Though it sure seems like she had a lot of fun doing those scenes with KKL during the past year. 

I really think she only returns to collect a check and doesn't really care anymore. She drags the writing on the show A LOT on Twitter lol.

On 7/27/2019 at 9:10 AM, edgeofnik said:

Has World-Renowned Psychiatrist Cray-lor been around to observe Dumb-As?   

On Twitter  a week or two ago Hunter basically said something like the show has been nonsensical crap since 2001 so I doubt she is pressed to come back unless she gets bored and feels like getting a recurring check or something. 

Yikes. Those ratings are considered "surging"?

Its rough out here for soaps

Sharon Case wrote a very sweet note to Gina

Nice of EB and random (since she's not taping anymore but still...)

https://twitter.com/EBraeden/status/1127767671611637761

Amelia Heinle posted a pic with Gina saying she missed her already. A bunch of people commented saying this sucks and she shouldn't be replaced and Josh Griffith liked a bunch of those comments. Umm, I'm confused. Wasn't he partly responsible for this?

Anyway, the outpouring of love for Tognoni from her fellow castmates has been super sweet (and honestly a little shady to a returning MS on some of their parts).

Sharon Case and Eileen seem REALLY upset about Gina leaving.

Since she stopped taping last week I assume her last airdate is around the first week of June.

And speaking of being shady on Twitter Mal Young immediately signed back on to be messy after winning that Emmy