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More notes from during the SN airings and comment or two from the SN forum See Richard Muenz Joe more as fisherman Joe and nearly all of his run dressing casually while Roscoe Born did not seem like a fisherman and when he arrived was businessman Joe and wearing suits. I've said this before-- Daniel Hugh Kelly's Frank seemed like he was born to wear a tux and I don't think Andrew Robinson's Frank would have been all that comfortable wearing them to the many functions in Frank's political future. Ilene Kristen as Delia in the short dress and Randall Edwards' Delia wore dresses below the knee. Both wore shawls. Ilene's Delia didn't wear Judith Coleridge's necklace while Randall's Delia wore it a lot. Delia had returned the necklace to Jill after they had words at Mary's wedding. Jill and Faith each wore it at least once. I figured it was kept in a safe at the Coleridge home -- so Delia had access to it again after she married Roger --but don't know why Randall's Delia was still wearing it after she and Roger separated and divorced. Jill's multiple rings on her fingers and multiple earrings were liked on the SN forum but some thought they inappropriate or unprofessional for a lawyer to wear when she was working. Faith Catlin's Faith and Catherine Hicks' Faith rarely wore jewelry (Catherine's Faith did wear the engagement ring and a necklace [a chain and then Judith's necklace] a couple times).Delia had even commented that Faith does not wear jewelery. Karen Morris Gowdy's Faith wore jewelry, necklaces, earrings, and rings right from when she first began (even wore the multiple rings on her fingers like sister Jill). Karen's Faith also wore nail polish which Faith's Faith & Catherine's Faith did not. I've mentioned this before that Randall and Catherine wouldn't have worked. Ilene and Catherine matched up well --as did Randall's Delia and Karen's Faith who were taller and fancier. It was a cute distinction between sisters that over the years Jill was given the gift of toe rings and Faith was given the gift of toe socks. Each were delighted and laughed out loud at the gift. (Jill said she would consider wearing them to work) Clem's earring was also very cool on the SN board. Added-- Randall Edwards s Delia looked gorgeous in her fur-- Ilene's Delia looked like a little girl playing dress up in her fur coat.

Thanks. I didn't catch this until Soapnet's 3rd airing. I did remember they said Siobhan was named after Johnny.

Thank you, Erik!

In those first episodes of Bess and Maggie it was said Jill was Jillian Elizabeth Coleridge and Ed was the one who suggested the name Jillian. In Ryan's kitchen, during Frank's campaign, where TV Interviewer Jeri Jerome said Maeve's name was Mary Maeve Colleary Ryan. A few months later, Maeve was telling the story of her first confession and the Mary Maeve was said then, too.

Finally got back to reading my old Soapnet notes (and later a few YouTube notes) Some more things I didn't remember- This was from when Max was looking at slides to get info on Jill in 1984l Jill went to the University of Michigan (and then Yale Law). Roger's full name was Roger Harlan Coleridge. Faith's name was harder to to make out -- looks like possibly Faith Lana or Faith Lara Coleridge. Judith's maiden was Grayson.

Thank you!

Thanks @DRW50, I didn't remember that Louise was interested in resuming acting at that time -- wanting to play a different role -- play something funny.

It's a wonderful surprise when an actor you know appears unexpectedly like that on screen.

Maureen Garrett (EJ Ryan) in a 1985 Crayola markers commercial at approx. 9:13. I figured this commercial is in the GL board but didn't recall seeing it posted here during this partial RH episode. The entire episode was already up without commercials.

@DRW50 The things Faith said were vicious. Jill should have shut Faith up by telling Faith that she sounded like her mother. That might have made more sense if we later learned what Faith said were things Judith whispered in her ear while Faith was growing up. A life-long rivalry idea could have been good. I wondered if Judith got pregnant with Faith on purpose (doesn't seem that was the case) -- after she figured out Jill was Ed's child (which I thought she knew). Then have Judith foster a competition by pampering Faith, spoiling Faith, and also pushing little Faith to be Ed's favorite while Judith was ignoring, passing over, and brushing aside Jill and trying to get Ed to do the same. But that's not how it was It was clear from the beginning that Roger was the one Faith hated all her life though there were claims otherwise later on --like when married to Tom, Faith told Roger she loved him even when he was taunting her by telling her her dolls didn't like her. Also in the beginning Faith said she had a competitive relationship with Roger and that was one of the reasons she chose Neurology as her field. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the notes, characters would say Ed was Jill's father or say adopted father, but Jill and other would refer to Judith as her step-mother. That was the correct -- but only Maeve would know that until 1982. BTW- Does anyone who watched originally know the details of what Maeve says about why Ed kept it a secret even after Judith passed away? Or why Maeve still kept it a secret after Ed died?

Jill was 2 when Ed brought her to the states. Faith wouldn't have been born for another 4 years-- so she would have never known a time, happy family or not, that Jill wasn't there.

I recently moved and going through old boxes with notes taken when watching the SN show airings and notes reading the SN forum over the years and I had questioned how old was Faith when Judith died. In 1976 -- Roger told Delia he was 10 when his mother died - -that means Jill was 11 and Faith was 5 (In 1977, Roger told Rae he was 5 years older that Faith and was 1 year younger that Jill.) In 1980, Faith recalled Roger getting in trouble when she was 16 and Judith not punishing him. In 1981, Faith tells Aristotle Benedict White the story of smoking cigarettes with Judith while they watched the film Now, Voyager -- she said she was 13 at the time. Back in 1977 when Miriam was introduced -- she tells Seneca that after Mrs. Coleridge died -- she brought up Jill and Faith --and did the best she could with Roger. That fits with the Coleridge kids being young when Judith died. A few weeks later, Jill and Miriam talk about Miriam moving in with the family for one summer ( Miriam sent her kids to stay with her sister down south) Jill said she was 11 or 12 at the time. It was the first time Jill felt like she had a mother. If Faith was older at the time, over 16, Jill would be 22 and Roger 21 or older -- it would be odd for Miriam to say she was raising Jill and Roger at that older age. Seeing how Jill felt about the Coleridge house never feeling like her home -- I always figured she moved out at 18. Several other things Faith mentioned over the years -- When Pat proposed to Faith -- she mentioned observing her parents marriage as a teenager (this would be before Miriam was introduced)-- recalling how Ed and Judith would sit in the parlor and discuss their day (I always thought it to be a cold and distant relationship but this conveyed there was some closeness between Ed and Judith ) and the parties they threw. Judith had a 4 minute egg every morning of her life. Some things I don't know if a kid of 5 (and younger), even as smart as Faith, would have picked up on.

Part 2 with Louise Shaffer and Tom Lisanti

Louise Shaffer and Tom Lisanti on The Diana Montfort show. They mention the 50th anniversary and the talk a lot about the years Rae was on the show

Thanks! Helen had a little over a week off at this time to film Roseland scenes. They wrote Maeve going to Pittsburg to help an injured Kathleen. Most of her other work on the film was done at night.

Tristan Rogers is one of the guests on AM Philadelphia in September 1986.

John Martin and Christine Jones on AM Philadelphia in September of 1986.

Ilene Kristen is one of the guests on AM Philadelphia in September 1986. She says something about being back on the show 3 weeks. GH's Tristan Rogers, OLTL's John Martin and Christine Jones are also guests. I have not watched the entire episode to know if Christine speaks of her time on Ryan's Hope. Ilene speaks of beginning as a dancer. Delia's son went from 10 to 19 years old and that she was now a grandmother. She talks about leaving the show the first time after giving all she had to give to the role and wanting to go to California. She talks about how she does a lot of theater (brings up her Leona Helmsley role). She said the previous time she returned, she didn't think the show really wanted the comedic aspects she was trying to bring but now it was wonderful that the show is allowing her to play Delia as more comedic.

I'm unfamiliar with Louise's other daytime roles, she did say in the book that she had a "type" she usually played --- which was aristocratic, rich bitch, emotional and icy. In a old SOW atricle, she said her favorite scenes were Rae as businesswoman. Louise seemed like real team player even though she was not part of the show's (actors) clique. It was in Louise's old Blog Talk Radio interview that I first heard about the clique, there she also said she was a good cheerleader for the show and she was sent out to do press during the Prince Albert and Merit Karah stories because they knew she would put a positive spin on story.

^^Thanks for the Helen sighting, Carl! I also see James Naughton who had an episode as a creepy doctor hitting on Jill in 1977. Here is a 3 part interview Tom Lisanti did with the RH lighting director, Dennis Size, after the book was published. Rose Alaio had told us the Ann Gillespie in the Ryan kitchen story on the Soapnet forum. Part 1 begins at the bottom of the page https://sixtiescinema.com/

It was one of the bigger disappointments that Sarah wasn't part of the book.

Yes, that was probably the case. In the book, after Malcolm Groome (Pat) said he dated Kathleen Tolan, he said he saw her theater work and found her to be "compelling and charismatic actress" In one of Ilene Kristen's many video interviews promoting the book, she also praised Kathleen.

In a video intetview, it was Richard Backus (Barry) who said Sarah told everyone off at her goodbye party. On the Soapnet forum, Rose Also and Sean, the MemoryBook webmaster ( he also posts here) both told us Sarah had been fired. Everyone on the board was shocked. For some reason noobody recalled that. In more recent years, it's been easier to find old press clippings that show that her dismissal was announced in newspapers and magazines. Sean also told us that many of Sarah's castmates were not sorry to see her go. One of the columns about her firing in 1980 said that Sarah "raised the ire" of her co-workers. On the SN board, we were told that Sarah would speak negatively about the show to the press. For example, she reportedly criticized the show for dumping the Pat/Nancy interfaith storyline. The network didn't like Sarah speaking out like that On top that, there were the issues with Sarah not being glamorous enough --- Richard Backus described it as Sarah wasn't seen as a romantic lead

Those descriptions of Mary Carney-- from Michael Levin --were from a magazine article in the early 1980's. In the book, he did say all three Mary replacements were bad.

I really liked her. Michael Levin (Jack) felt Mary Carney was too low-key (in comparison - he called Kathleen Tolan electric). Ilene Kristen (Delia) said in one of the many book promoting interviews that Mary Carney wasn't right for the role. In one of the interviews about the Dutch version of the show, Paul Mayer said "the trick with these kind of series is to keep the boy and girl apart for as long as possible" so I wonder how Mary and Jack's story would have played out if Kate hadn't become pregnant (or if they hid the pregnancy).. beyond what was said in the press of having a Jack/Mary/Alex triangle. Roger was interested in Mary for half a second. Roger/Delia appears to have been planned all along as Roger was listed as being part of the original Delia/Pat/Faith story that was to happen when the show first began and had Frank dying.