You're Soaking in it

The Goal Post was a casual bar & restaurant, without a stage for anyone to perform on. Panache was a venue that didn't last long in PV, and there's limited info on it - it almost like a temporary recast for the burned-out-of-commission Chateau. But I even remember the moment Adam laid eyes on Skye Patterson when she was singing on a stage, he sitting, looking forward and up toward him... and we'd soon find out she was "Antoinette Chandler." There's a few AMC videos on YouTube with Antoinette Byron playing her - not too many scenes outside of ones with Tad. The way I remember it is that Tom needed a nightclub singer for Panache's debut, and that's how Skye was introduced (cue shock-moment with Adam in the audience and she singing TO him). At this point, Skye was not written as alcoholic. After her failed attempt at landing Tad, then her losing Mitch to Hillary (now recast with Robin Christopher), then the storyline introducing Cindy, Skye had established a pattern of alcoholism - which reconnected her with recovered alcoholic Tom, first as constructive support, and then into romance. As for Tom's one-nighter with Erica, that was about two years prior to Skye arriving in PV. He was married to Brooke, who was pregnant with Laura at that time.

Panache was a night club opened by Tom. That's where Skye came into the picture. However, she and Tom didn't get together until over a year later. She first had an affair with Tad, then was involved with Donna's brother, Mitch Beck (who she lost to Hillary). Haley and Matteo owned Holidays, a coffee house. Lee Hawkins blew it up in 1998, one of the most bizarre years of writing on AMC... courtesy of McTavish, of course.

1999 was a hazy year for writing teams. ABC initially tried to keep it discrete that McTavish had been removed (again) as head writer of All My Children. Word started leaking, and ABC confirmed the rumors only after a distinct tonal change started being noticed in AMC's on-air scenes... ABC's official response at that point was that McTavish had been moved to a consultant role for ABC Daytime, and that Agnes Nixon was back leading the AMC team, along with Elizabeth Page and Jean Passanante. Rumor was that McTavish had been out AMC's door as early as March, and that she at some point after that began co-writing OLTL with Phelps, to see if it was going to be a good fit. In their eventual announcement of McTavish becoming OLTL's HW, ABC said she had been "consulting" on the show.

And how life imitates art: This is figuratively the second time Lindsay's "husband" moved on from her to Chrishell (Cara / Jake / Amanda).

For the record... Davies does not identify as gay, has been married to a woman - and I believe is in a longterm relationship with a woman presently. But when it's the 80's, and you're spending almost a year touring other parts of the world, just you & your hunky co-star together... sometimes on a boat.... and it's the 80's... I've read that "article" before. It's just so preposterous. I'm guessing that this writer is French? The "quotes" are painfully fictional or at minimum, wildly misinterpreted...

Well, duh! ;-) I would just add the word "officially," to that... And unofficially, this means that all 3 Mason Capwells enjoyed the company of men - allegedly. Btw, love Gordon Thompson, and agree with his assessment of the culturally-vacant Dynasty 2.0... P.S. - Just finished reading the entire article... what a wonderful, enlightening interview!

That whole Dane Hammond / covert operation was right when Paul started, though Louie had been mentioning him to Kate shortly before then (lamenting his "mob lifestyle"). Peluso was already back as Ava when they met, and of course she initially disliked him & objected to him being around her family home due to his shady past... ;-)

Paul wasn't yet introduced at this point. (I know the clip says 1991 - that's probably true for when it aired in Italy, but it's actually from 1990). Alex & Egypt were in Ava's orbit at this time... though recast Robert Dubac wasn't exactly sizzling the screen with them. He was good enough to wrap up Alex's story, and leave town with Egypt. Paul comes in right about then.

That's not offensive at all. Garland certainly looked enough like Walker to play her sister, and resembled Robin Wright enough to visually fit in as Kelly. (Actually, when you look closely, she's kind of like a cross between the two.) But I think what's most important is that she had the right energy & personality, as well as great chemistry with her co-stars, to succeed in the role. MacArthur was a stop-gap recast - just not memorable, feeling more like a place-holder...... And Eileen Davidson was like an experiment gone wrong - an attempt to reinvent the role. It wasn't necessary, and it was a shame to expend Garland, who had already accomplished winning over viewers... a tough thing to do, considering who originated the part.

Robin Strand... Did a ton of prime time episodic work in the 80's. He was a main cast member of Berrenger's, one of NBC's short-lived entries into prime time soaps.

Lynn Harbaugh played Lisa on Y&R... I didn't initially think of them as resembling each other. Now looking closely, I see that there's something with the eyes. But Lynn had this Stevie Nicks / Gypsy vibe... What would have been better is if they'd found Carrington Garland about 9 months sooner - and kept her about 16 months longer!

There's a big gray area at ABC for 1999... McTavish was ghost-writing OLTL for some period of time, while she was still being credited as HW of All My Children - a return stint that, btw, featured what I'd describe as some of her most idiotic work. What started it all was that, though they tried to keep it all quiet, Agnes Nixon returned to AMC after an acrimonious split from the network in late 97. (There was even a tonal shift you could see on-screen, that made you think "this is McTavish?) We knew there was no way that McT and Nixon were working together at that time, and from the looks of things, Nixon had likely been back as early as February. When word leaked about the changes at AMC, ABC confirmed it, but went out of their way to say that McTavish had not been fired - and that she was "consulting" for other programs. Her name came off the AMC credits around May of 1999. A couple of months later, they officially announced her as the new HW of OLTL. I think her name started appearing on OLTL's credits late-Summer to September at latest... It's open for interpretation what McTavish was doing in the Spring & early Summer, but my guess would be OLTL.

Gwen was involved with Jeremy at the time; there was no indication of spite from her toward Stacy... Gwen's sole reason for the murders was that they were "Loving" gestures to spare people from their pain. She even (as "Trisha," of course) tried but failed to kill herself by clogging the exhaust on her car... which coincidentally threw off viewers as to who the culprit was. Michael Weatherly left Loving before the Loving murders. He then returned / appeared briefly on The City to have Cooper reunite with Steffi and facilitate AH's exit from the show. Casey dies a hero - he kicked his drug habit many months before PAS left the show. Casey actually helped take down the drug ring in Corinth. A sting operation happened, things went haywire and Casey was shot. He died in Ally's arms, staring into her eyes. His last words were, "when I look at you, I see forever."

Tudor was open to returning and they wanted her back. I do think Savage was a very good recast for the time she was there, but not so great that she'd gain ownership over Tudor. I thought Albers was a very good actor, but wasn't a great fit for the role. I couldn't buy that this was the same man once married to Ava. He didn't seem mature enough, and perhaps Albers was too young for the part. He was supposed to be Trisha's older bother, as well as Jack's peer / friend / cousin. They ignored that connection - maybe because it wouldn't have played well. The writing at the time didn't help: With the uber-preppy characterization and all those damn sweaters, I feel like he was Corinth's version of Fresh Prince's Carlton Banks. And there were so many Curtis Aldens! I remember liking Linden Ashby, Curtis #2, who did fall in love with and marry Roya Megnot's Ava. He had a similar vibe to Marcantel, but was a little more spoiled rich college boy than Marcantel's spoiled rich awkward boy. He married on-screen cousin Susan Walters (Lorna) in 1986, and followed her exit from the show. They've been together ever since.... #3, insta-recast Burke Moses, was physically way different than Ashby. But I also really liked him - a little more knight in shining armor. Too bad they married him off with Judith Hoag's Lotty. As for Norma, I think she just kind of faded out of the story after the Rick Alden murder mystery ended.

Probably the first few years, then the last few - from 1992 on... When I think about it, Nixon's influences were there for both. I liked that a sense of humor arrived around '92. Jacquie Babbin was brought in early in the decade as EP, because of her success with All My Children. But her time at AMC wasn't entirely a bed of roses - Zach Grayson's murder mystery, being one of the biggest letdowns. So what does she do with Loving? Orders not one, but TWO umbrella murder mysteries - first, Rick Alden, who almost no one cared about - and then this guy Monty, who had something to do with Clay's baby with Abril - and definitely NOBODY cared about... Oh, and both ended with HUGE letdowns. If memory serves me right, Monty was a diabetic and somehow killed himself, lol... For Rick, it was revealed to be Wally, the twin brother of Norma's boyfriend, Denny ... Again, who cares, lol? (And I'm going to say right now, I could be fuzzy with that time - because it was so all over the place... But I think that's pretty close to what happened!) So Loving wasn't a fit for her. There were so many EP's that came after... Fran Sears, Heidi Grainger, Josie Emmerich, then Jean Dadario Burke... Despite those changes, the tonal shift and new characters that came in under Sears and then-head writer Addie Walsh, I thought, really set Loving on a solid path. (Grainger would later clash with Walsh, causing her exit, and things unfortunately got a bit unstable again until Grainger herself was replaced.) Thinking about the above, a lightbulb went off and I have to correct something I said in the previous post... Dinahlee came into Clay's orbit when he discovered that Cabot wasn't his bio father - later undone, I believe - and he became hellbent on revenge. After Jack died, he became obsessed with gaslighting Stacy to somehow gain control of her Alden stock shares while hooking up with Dinah. His vengeance stressed her out, so it was easy for her to become hot for Curtis once he returned from the Gulf war. I think the weirdest, most inconsistent times for Loving ironically happened under one EP, Joe Hardy. I recall weird moments that made absolutely no sense and were never explained... Like Clay setting some sort of trap for Alex, Alex walking in some shack and sparks flying everywhere in slow motion... I guess it was supposed to be an explosion? And then the next episode, he's fine and Clay's like "see, you better be careful, I might sparkler you to death for taking over my life!" (Ok, I'm kidding about that last part... but that would have been a better conclusion!)

I feel like I've hit a history jackpot here! I'm so glad I've read up on this board... I watched Loving from almost the very beginning (I was a kid, yes, but a kid with an incredible memory) - on through to its end... There were some questions here that I can definitely answer! I don't remember if Ally was ever kidnapped by Carter (Dinalee definitely was) - but Trisha was held captive by Giff Bowman, Casey's father - who had a mental breakdown, and was saved in part by Casey. Ceara's transition to Loving involved a Genie Francis body-double getting off a train from Pine Valley to Corinth... unfortunately during an unrelated shoot-out (bad timing!). She died in Jeremy's arms. Jessica Collins & James Horan may have crossed paths, but if they did at all, it had to have been passing scenes... Before AFTER getting cozy with Clay, Dinahlee (like Lily, except minus the crazy) pivoted from Jack to his cousin, fell for Curtis Alden - and through three actors: Patrick Johnson (nice to look at), Michael Lord, and the returning OG Curtis, Chris Marcantel. Their marriage & moving into the Alden mansion is what gave her proximity to Clay. More like, her affair with Clay gave her proximity to Curts! I don't remember them being on the show at the same time - he left & she arrived the same year. But I am sure they weren't involved at that point. I agree with you about Parlato - but he was an unexpected recast, as Larkin Malloy abruptly quit. I thought Malloy was VERY good, and that his Clay & Dinahlee were really appealing. She didn't have that connection with Parlato; it was as if he just wanted to own her. It was Horan's decision to leave, but there was always talk about him playing as "too young" to be the real Clay Alden. He was cast after wrapping a notable stint on AMC as Creed Kelly... similar to Parlato just having finished a run on OLTL as Michael Grande. Remember that at this time, Cabot was mistakenly presumed dead... and that the only interaction Holms' Isabelle had with Cabot was through her imagination (or his ghost, as she viewed it). I'm not sure that Barry even shared scenes with Addy, as Holms' exit wasn't exactly amicable. I thought it was Barry who came off as REALLY hard-edged. Dabney returned just in time for Cabot's resurrection - of course, that wouldn't last too long, either. Agree on all those counts! I really enjoyed Roya, and feel that she essentially created the character of Ava. But in spite of how entertaining she was to watch, it was easy to become frustrated with her. She was just SO selfish... Peluso, to me, was a seamless recast. She had a really similar energy & presence to Roya - but she matured the character and gave her a subtext that made Ava easy to root for. There was a good, caring person in that schemer! And to your question, the Jack / Lily pairing in 1984-85 (as played by Jennifer Ashe) was the couple to bet on. I liked them, and rooted for her to overcome her breakdown from the abuse she suffered. Ashe's leaving changed that outcome. Except O'Hara Parker was SO bland - we're talking a big wet blanket of rainbows & unicorns... make that BORING rainbows & unicorns. Emma Samms is anything but bland. Elizabeth Savage is the second Gwyn - not counting Tudor's previous temp replacements, Leslie Denniston and Marianne Tatum. April Hathaway was Alexandra Wilson, who went on to originate Josie Watts on Another World.. her romantic rival for Ned was Kristin Larsen, played by Teri Polo.

What the hell?! I'm pretty sure we were all talking about a trailer for a TV show.

They're (we're) not acting like - or expecting that - it's supposed to be a shot-by-shot remake. What I think we're all saying, is that it looks terrible - devoid of things like intelligence, charm, witty humor, multi-faceted characterizations, or memorable performances. It's a re-imagining that comes off as emotionally-vacant, unless self-serving and horny are considered emotions. Those alone are the driving forces of every character in every scene of this promo. Sure there are people who might enjoy this. But those who hear "Dynasty" and think of something culturally iconic might be bummed that THIS is what will be served. And yes, it is "just" a trailer... But a trailer is supposed to tease the audience with samples of the BEST of what's to come. If this reflection is wrong, it's a horrible trailer. But if it's right, it's going to be a horrible show.

Philece was a very different Donna. To use a vintage OLTL comparison, it's like having Krista Tesreau's miscast Tina take the place of Kassie DePaiva's Blair: Bold but manipulation-prone woman who finds herself caught in lies & emotional binds yet eventually claws her way out of them .... gets replaced by dumb deer-in-the-headlights schemer who always gets totally blown away in every confrontation scene with any other female character.

Everyone is cold, dark, and unlikable. What helped make the original Dynasty so compelling is that spark of humanity you could see in every core character... For all their transgressions, you could understand what brought them there, and root for them to find their piece of happiness. And that cast, for the most part, gave portrayals that made the ride FUN... Whether we're comparing this Fallon to Martin or Emma Samms (who I really enjoyed & think The Colbys writers just served her some bad fish), in these clips she totally lacks a soul. So does everyone else. And whoa is Krystle... Ooops, "CRISTAL" - Oh! Get it? The spelling of her name is flashing a neon sign at you that she's Latina... You know, because on shows like Riverdale, we dumb viewers can't figure out Veronica is of Latin descent because they didn't spell her name in some distinctively Spanish way (sorry, that annoys me) - Anyway, we're supposed to be shocked that she appears to be a gold-digger. I'm actually just disappointed in her obnoxiously vapid, layer-free performance. I don't love to hate anyone here in this clip. I just hate them. So I'm definitely not interested to see where it goes.

Anne Delahanty is Broderick's daughter, who played Laura as a baby. But this photo had to be from 1982, since Gil Rogers as Ray Gardner is there - and Brooke wasn't pregnant with Laura until I think 1984. It may be, like Leo mentioned, Palmer-John... since the Chateau fire that "wrote him off" was in 1983.

Savage played Gwyn for two years. She was let go in favor of Tudor coming back to the role. I think Savage was quite a good recast, but while she was definitely adept at playing up the campy / catty / ruthless traits of Gwyneth, she ultimately lacked Tudor's levels of depth and sophistication. I recall Leslie Deniston also being toward the end of Tudor's first stint, maybe a few months before Tatum. You'd never mistake her for the character visually or through mannerisms. Save for her shorter hair (at the time), Tatum looked & spoke much like Tudor. Denniston was good for a temp, but seemed a little more like an older version of Ava than she did Gwyneth. Her stay was very, very brief, though - maybe just a couple of days.

John, I watched Loving daily for pretty much its entire run. I know for sure Tatum didn't come back in 1991, that she only subbed the one stint in '89. Chip Albers evidently isn't (at least not correctly, even if he thinks he is) posting his scenes as Curtis in chronological order. The medical reason DC just re-posted totally rings a bell. Tudor left the show at the end of her contract not long at all after she came back from that temporary leave, and that's when Savage took over as Gwen. I recall that rotation of Gwens caught me off guard!

Her IMDb is currently just reading a general "1989" for Loving - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0851367/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 It was probably mistaken before, and got corrected. It happens.

You're right, Tudor did return in 1991. Marianne Tatum's temp stint as Gwen was in 1989. Whoever made the comment about December of 1990 is just incorrect about the date of the clip (especially since Savage was playing the role at that time). I guess the clips might not be uploaded as chronologically as they think they are. ;-)