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Posted 13 November 2009 - 12:42 PM
Five things that could help 'Fringe'
By Andrew Hanson
Last week, "Fringe" hit an all-time low in the Nielsens. Only about 5 million viewers tuned in to check out "Earthling." Heck, "Hank" got a bigger share of the Thursday night audience. A show that's already been cancelled. What's with that?
To be fair, "Fringe" wasn't in a good position last week. After two weeks of being preempted by the World Series, viewers might not have known there was a new episode. There were reports all over the Web of TiVos and DVRs not recording the crazy science of the week, but that's not going to stop me from taking this time to put out my list of the Five Things that could help "Fringe."
#5 Stop beating around the bush
We were promised this season that "Fringe" was going to "get to it." Season 1 ended with Olivia in the alternate reality about to finally have a conversation with the mysterious William Bell. Then it took four episodes in Season 2 before we got to see that conversation.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not asking to jump-start the war alluded to in the ZFT manifesto. I agree with the sentiments of Kurtzman, Orci and Pinker that the buildup to war is just as interesting as war itself. But how about smaller things like the fact that Peter is actually alternate universe Peter? I know it's fun to place hints in every episode, but it would be even more fun to watch the fallout from that revelation. What's not fun is knowing too much more than the characters you're watching. Just get to it already.
#4 Crack out the "Lost" DVDs
"Fringe" could pick up some tips from its big brother "Lost." They both have bizarre sci-fi elements and puzzle pieces hidden all over, but "Lost" also has one thing that "Fringe" could desperately use: deep character development. Not just in one or two leads, but in every character on the show.
"Fringe" made a good step toward this in "Earthling" by fleshing out Agent Broyles. We got to see new sides of the boss man, but it was just our first glimpse into the character. Plus, there are many side characters that could use similar treatment: Nina Sharp, William Bell and Astrid. Oh, and on a similar note…
#3 Stop killing your bad guys so fast
David Robert Jones = Dead. Mitchell Loeb = Dead. Evil Shape-Shifting Charlie = Dead. Sanford Harris = Dead. Well, actually I don't mind that last one. I never did care for Harris.
Give the Fringe Division someone to square off against for more than a couple of episodes. An enemy. I hope that the new frozen-head leader of the shape-shifting soldiers will prove to be a formidable opponent for Olivia and the Bishops -- if he doesn't die right away.
#2 Pick up your loose ends
Go back and watch the first season of "Fringe" on DVD. There are a bunch of little things (especially at the beginning) that seem to have been forgotten. What was with that secret group that Nina Sharp and Agent Broyles met with to discuss the Pattern? How about Olivia's stepfather? Weren't there people trying to track down Peter? And what was he even doing in Iraq? Where did Olivia's sister and niece go? What caused the fire in Walter's lab that eventually led to him getting institutionalized?
#1 Move back to Tuesday
OK, this one is probably beyond the powers that be at "Fringe." More likely it is for the suits at Fox, but please, please, PLEASE move "Fringe" back to Tuesday. Thursdays are already too jam-packed with things I want to watch. I had to switch from TiVo to DVR in order to record both "Fringe" and "The Office/30 Rock."
"Fringe" used to make my Tuesday nights. Now there's nothing on Tuesdays but reality television (I haven't had the chance to check out "V" yet). Or, if not Thursdays, what about moving "Fringe" over to Wednesdays? Team it up with "Glee"? Think about the powerhouse block of television you could build there. Huh? Huh?
I only bring these things up because I care. "Fringe" was my favorite new show last season and still continues to endlessly entertain me in its sophomore year. I remember how giddy I was last week when I caught the Observer. Me. Giddy. Ask any of my friends, and they'll tell you I'm not usually full of gid.
Rumor has it the next couple of episodes weigh heavily on Massive Dynamic and the Observer. I hope that will get the kiddies back in front of their TV sets. Hope so. I don't want anything bad happening to my "Fringe."
Edited by Sylph, 13 November 2009 - 12:42 PM.
Posted 01 April 2010 - 07:59 PM
Posted 02 April 2010 - 07:20 AM
That article really, really praised the show, I'm kind of cautious. We'll see.
Posted 05 April 2010 - 02:29 AM
Peter dying in Walter’s arms.
Loved Walter and Carla’s morality confrontation:
Carla: Walter, I’m sorry, but you can’t.
Walter: Yes, yes, I think can.
Carla: No, Walter, I mean you can’t, shattering the wall between universes would rupture the fundamental constants of nature.
Walter: That’s a theory. We don’t know what to be true.
Carla: It’s a good theory. That’s why we’ve been lying to the military telling them it’s impossible. Walter, there has to be a line somewhere, there has to be a line we can’t cross.
Walter: I was considered you as a scientist, Dr. Warren, despite your persona needs for religious claptrap. I see I was wrong.
Carla: “I am become death, destroyer of worlds….”
Walter: Don’t you quote Oppenheimer to me.
Carla: “Knowledge cannot be pursued without morality…..”
Walter: Sanctimonious southern preacher
Carla: I may go to church everyone Sunday, but I also have 3 degrees in Theoretical Physics and I am telling you, you cannot do this. We both know the amount of energy required to create a portal will forever ruin both universes. For the sake of one life you will destroy the world. Some things are not ours to tamper with, some things are God’s.
Walter: My son is dying, Dr. Warren. I will not allow that to happen again. There’s only one room for one God in this lab and it’s not yours.
So Walter was originally going to bring Alt-Peter back but when he saw Liz’s eyes when she was hugging Alt-Peter, he knew doing that would be impossible.
“I realize at that moment that despite what I promised, what I fully intended to do, that I could never take Peter back. The way she looked at him, I saw in her, what I feared most in myself when I saw him, that I couldn’t lose him again. It was the first hole, Olivia. The first breach, the first crack in a pattern of cracks, spaces between the worlds. And it’s my fault. You can’t imagine what it’s like to lose a child.”
What Walter did to Alt-Walter and Alt-Liz was horrible to say the least, but it's totally understandable and I was totally sympathetic to Walter. And I feel so bad for Alt-Walter and alt-Liz because they never had any closure – Peter just disappeared. I hope we will see their reaction to Peter’s disappearance and I wonder what Alt-Walter did to try and find him or if he knows Our-Walter took Alt-Peter.
“Back to the Future starring Eric Stoltz” – LMAO! That was funny because Eric was suppose to be in BTTF and actually filmed scenes but the producers decided to recast the role with Michael J. Fox.
The 80’s opening rocked too! LOL at the “fringe science” back then: personal computing, cold fusion, DNA profiling, nanotechnology, cloning, invisibility, genetic engineering, laser surgery, stealth technology, in vitro fertilization, virtual reality.
So that’s how Nina lost part of her arm – by trying to stop Walter from going over to the other universe.
The score for this episode was top notch too.
And John Noble was simply awesome. I hope he gets Emmy recognition for this episode
From start to finish, this episode rocked!
Posted 09 May 2010 - 06:12 PM
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Posted 05 February 2011 - 03:33 PM
After encouraging first 2 weeks on Friday, Fox's Fringe (1.6/5 in 18-49, 4.2 million viewers) dropped 16% in the demo in its third airing against an original Supernatural and a Super Bowl commercials special on CBS. At 8 PM, Kitchen Nightmares (1.7/6, 4 million) held steady and won the hour in the demo.
Posted 05 February 2011 - 03:45 PM
Posted 05 March 2011 - 12:41 PM
I hope the decision to cancel or review is made soon so the show can end properly instead of a cliffhanger.
Posted 24 March 2011 - 09:48 PM
IT GOT RENEWED!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! YES!!!!!! I just can't believe it. Thank God my ratings challenged shows are getting renewed! First "Community" now "Fringe"........YAHOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Kevin Reilly, I love you, man!
Posted 25 March 2011 - 01:23 PM
And I hope Leonard Nimoy (Happy 80th birthday tomorrow!) can occasionally be coaxed out of retirement and bring William Bell back to life.
Edited by applcin, 25 March 2011 - 01:25 PM.
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