Roman

Actually, Michael, Reagan DID take a LOT of heat but somehow sold his economic policies to both Democrats and Republicans. And America did prosper in those "self-indulgent" 80's. Some have argued that Clinton rode the crest of Reagan's wave. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. As for Clinton, then Bush, Jr., I don't really recall a rocky start to Clinton's presidency - at least policywise. And I don't really recall much about Bush's first months in office... nothing really happened until 9/11.

And how big was the deficit when he left office?

On both sides, many need to look at what was and is instead of seeing what they want to see.

Bush had aprroval ratings in the low 50s and couldn't get much of anything done. So, Brian, if you are a student of history, it is real easy to say Obama is doing a horrible job but you can't remember what Bush did.

Roman, no gain - no loss. Honestly, Obama is having a really bad run out of the gate. I'm not making it up... The country is uncomfortable with the massive waste in the stimulus, and every time the man courts the media, he puts his foot in his mouth. I wasn't particularly offended by the joke about special olympics... but his performance on "60 Minutes" was stunningly poor. He just isn't doing well and, yes, it is strictly and solely my opinion.

But please don't take my opinion personally, Roman. I was just responding to Steve's post so don't be angry with me...

B

Oh Brian not angry at all. But if it was so bad why is his approval numbers sill high? There must be most people who think he's doing a good job. Many think he needs to slow down. Never heard that about Bust, Clinton, Reagan, or Bush Sr.

Roman, the point of my previous post was not to knock the liberal agenda. (Thus, I am not attacking you for being a liberal.) Rather, it was to point out that Obama has dismally failed to live up to the hype that you and his other supporters cultivated throughout the course of the campaign. Obama is nothing more than your typical phony, run-of-the-mill politican, as opposed to being this great savior that you and others purported him to be.

I find it interesting that you are not even addressing this issue (about Obama not being all that he was hyped up to be). Instead, all you have done is made a couple of nasty and vitriolic posts in response to what Brian and I have said.

One. Who said I was a liberal?

Two. You're the last one to talk about nasty posts.

Three. I find it interesting that after two months in office, he's a dismal failure, but Bush did such a great job. These are my thoughts and my responses, and, if they offend you or you don't like them.....

Tough. After 8 years of the previous [!@#$%^&*], and unlike you, I'll give the man a chance. Since you seem not to want to do the very same thing......for the good of the country and her people.

Oh, and do me a favor. Tell Bush Happy Hour ends at 5 weekdays, since many of us didn't know when he was sober or drunk.

Oh, and one more thing.

People, respond how and to what you want to respond to. It's amazing how people don't want to bring [!@#$%^&*] up, and then they bring it up. Tell us all how you feel, and if people can't handle the responses,, then maybe they should check themselves instead of telling others how they should or what they should repsond to.

UCLAN, you stated your case nicely. At least you are giving the man more than two months before you past judement, and not saying his precidency is a disaster. Can you imagine what would happen if Hillary was in there and I or you or anyone else said crap like that?

Obama and the Democrats just had a terrible week.

First, there's the matter of Obama's tasteless "joke" where he compared his bowling skills to those athletes who compete in the Special Olympics. I find it really pathetic that fellow Democrats (including the Shriver family, which runs the Special Olympics) are making all sorts of excuses for him by stating that he really didn't mean anything hurtful by this joke. Can you imagine the holy hell that would be happening had Bush made this comment?

Then, of course, there's the fake outrage that Obama expressed over the AIG executives being paid huge bonuses. What's fake about this outrage was that it was produced only after the public had become so upset over finding out about the AIG bonuses. In fact, not only did Obama know that this "bonus clause" was in the bill he signed, but it was Geithner himself who pushed Senate Democrats to insert such a clause in the first place. (And don't even get me started on Chris Dood, who first said that he had no idea who inserted that bonus clause into the bill, but then--the very next day--admitted that he was the guilty party.)

Obama's first two months have been nothing but an endless series of blunders. (Which is to be expected given the fact that he had so little experience prior to being elected.) Now, I can almost be certain that one of the Democrats who post here will respond to this fact by stating "he's still a lot better than Bush." Unfortunately, that is a pointless line of attack for two reasons: First, his opponent in the last election was John McCain, not Bush. And secondly, Obama, his supporters, and the media set forth much higher expectations for Obama (when compared to the expectations Bush was faced with when he took office) by constantly comparing him to Lincoln and stating that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Anybody is entitled to think that the liberal agenda is much better than the conservative one. However, what would be so refreshing is for any liberal to acknowledge the simple truth: that Obama is very much the typcial opportunistic politician as opposed to the great savior who's going to bridge the partisan divide and put an end to politics as usual.

Which is amazing, because we tried the conservative agenda..........

AND LOOK AT HOW FUCKED UP THE DAMN COUNTRY IS.

Like the conservative agenda was such a rousing [!@#$%^&*] sucess. Max, you come off like everyone is doing so [!@#$%^&*] well they shouldn't be complaining, which proves that you've been living in a cave for the last 8 years.

Hi Steve,

Facts are facts and it is clear that Obama is doing very poorly. Yeah, I admit that I'm not an Obama supporter and I'm sure Roman and others can feast on my statements as being ultra-partisan... and it's true, I'm quite partisan... but pointing out my partisanship really does nothing to mask the very plain fact that Obama has truly bungled his first months in office.

I'm worried for the country.

Brian, guess what?

I no longer give a [!@#$%^&*] what you think.

If you think he's doing poorly, fine. [!@#$%^&*] it.

After what he was left, and after a long campaign season where everyone else sounded like the idiots they were, things are more important than a partisan who no matter what seems to not long at things objectively and seems to hang on to the hatred he or she has for a president, even when they are telling others not to do the very same thing they are doing.

Oh well, Brian. Your [!@#$%^&*] loss, man.

Hey Roman,

I wondered where you had gone off to... I'm glad you're back and glad you're okay!

B

Thanks, Brian.

It's good to feel alive again.

Hi, everyone!

I was in the hosital for the last two weeks, and I'm here to try and catch up with politics. Needed a break from it because it has gotten to the point that it has become so silly. There are many in the political arena who seem to be more interested in hearing their own voice and passing their own bullshit than really ;istening and doing what is in the best interest of the people.

We all have time, but maybe we all should start by listening to each other, and then seeing where we come down, instead of just blasting each other.

I don't feel sorry for anyone.

Both parties screwed this country up, but the Dems just did a way better job of spreading the hate and fear around.

Obama came in with all these fake promises and hopes and now has to backtrack like a little puppy when he finally gets his chance.

That is the down side of politics, people believe WAY too much of the campaign talk.

Great, we are funding abortions in other countries, wonderful news.

We are paying to keep the Smithosian open more, and now I have over a $27,000 mortgage on my life because the idiots in control pass a massive spending bill that will not stimulate the economy, but rather GIVE money to earmarks and pet projects...good lord, did we learn nothing over the last 8 years?

Everyone of us is a REAL American Roman, whether you are on the left, right or indifferent. That comment is purely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

But once a hater, always a hater, and that is too bad for you and your way of life.

And this coming from someone whose got their head buried so far up the Republican's backside you could tell us what they had for dinner.

I have NOT been the one coming on here blaming Democrats for every single ill that has befallen this country. Also, you ALWAYS seem to forget that the REPUBLICANS are the one who acted like a male porn star in a brothel for 8 years. But what am I saying? You seem to forget anything that doesn't fit your scewed since of this country.

So don't sit on your damn high horse telling me what's disgusting. You shoving that Republican crap down everyone's throat is what's disgusting. Why don't you remember that the next time you decide to TRY and call someone out.

OK?

Great to be a REAL American.

I feel sorry for Republicans. Like being on the deck of the Titanic.

Only 5 crooks?

[!@#$%^&*], I'm still counting the crooks from the last admin.

Arlen Specter has pretty much staked his political future on this package. Pretty brave. He didn't have to vote for this to pass as long as Snowe and Collins did, and they're not up next year.

I don't know if it's good to think about every vote in terms of your future, but that's how it may play out.

You know, at this point I don't think he no longer cares. He survived cancer. He can survive his Republican colleagues who seem to only be doing this to obstruct. Now they look pretty foolish with the passage of this bill.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/10/caf...ouse/index.html

I love this man.

He hit a grand slam with this one.

Damn good THM.

Very refreshing to see a POTUS who talks with and to the people, not down to them.....

Like........the last jackoff we just got rid of.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/...-steele-says-2/

And speaking of crooks and hypocricy......

And Max, the difference between me and you......

I CAN call out my president, regardless of what party he/she is a member of.

I'm not going to sit here and play partison BS just because the POTUS is a member of my party, and act like he/she didn't do anything wrong.

I've listened to that bullshit for 8 years, and you what I find incredibly pathetic?

Someone calling out a POTUS after 3 weeks. I wonder what you said when people blasted Bush after 3 weeks?

I commend Roman for attacking Obama for the fact he screwed up so badly with his cabinet choices. I even commend Obama for admitting he screwed up.

However, I am disturbed at the very weak defense Obama's supporters are offering: that Obama is still better than Bush. Unfortunately, Obama's supporters and--more importantly--Obama himself didn't campaign on the slogan that he's "mediocre, but still way better than Bush." Instead, the American public was constantly led to believe that Obama was going to be one of the very best presidents ever. Supporters and the media initially made comparasions between Obama and JFK (who, IMO, is the most overrated president ever); not content with merely that, however, they then compared Obama to FDR, and eventually even to Lincoln. Obama himself is guilty of jumping on board the "I'm the greatest thing since Lincoln" bandwagon when he (1) publicly announced that he was taking the same train route to Washington that Lincoln did before his inauguration and (2) insisted upon taking the oath of office on the same bible Lincoln used.

So, again, after all of Obama's screw-ups, it is just so incredibly pathetic that the only defense his supporters can give is that he is still way better than Bush.

Max,

He is better.

later.

Welcome back, Greg.

I also blame Obama for some of this. 1. He should have had the anger he had on Thursday night the whole time. And 2. Stop trying to reason and cowtow to these damn Republicans. They spent 8 years spending us all into the [!@#$%^&*] poorhouse, and now they have found fiscal religion, blasting anything that is in that bill just for shits and grins.

Where was all of this fiscal responsibility when Bush was in office? }

BTW, hi Brian.

This is a list of the projects and programs that either were slashed or cut out altogether:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/07/sti...cuts/index.html

Now, read this and tell me........

Did we just get screwed with no vasaline on some of this?

And, it might be easier to count the crooks who were NOT in the Bush Admin.

But, I guess we just have to get used to 4 years of bitching from people who defended the worst admin. (Bush) in American history.

Isn't that special?

Well, with all the [!@#$%^&*] crooks we just got rid of from the last God-awful, [!@#$%^&*] sucking administration (Like GWB can even spell that) 2 or 3 crooks seems like a VAST improvement.

Thanks for your once-every-six-month visit, Kwing.

So apparently the interview process in the Obama Admin. goes like this:

"We need a Sec. Of Interior. Question. Have you paid your taxes?"

"Not for the last twenty years."

"You're hired!"

Let's get it together people. Damn.

He froze staff salaries?

Damn, I like that [!@#$%^&*].

FYI I did not get into a snit about anything. You can think I did all you want but I didn't.

I got mad because I wanted to discuss somethign that was on my mind. You turned it into a political debate about who did what. That is the reason i hardly ever come in here.

I have been working ever since I came back here to avoid any thread you are in and now that I know you are in the political therads I won't come in here anymore. For that matter from here on out I have you on ignore. I hate to do that to anyone but everything you ever respond to me with is something negative and because of that I will stay away from you and ignore you.

You get mad about everything when someone doesn't want to listen to you complain about about everything.

You have said 3 timnes you were NOT going to post in the tread, then you come back long enough to bitch at me because I called you out on something you posted.

Whatever Steve.

During the January 18 edition of MSNBC Live, host Tamron Hall stated that "the inauguration festivities" for President-elect Barack Obama are "estimated to reach as high as $150 million," adding that "n 2004, to note, the inauguration of George W. Bush cost roughly $40 million." However, the $40 million figure that Hall cited for Bush's second inauguration reportedly does not include certain costs incurred by the federal government and the District of Columbia such as security and transportation costs; these costs are included in the $150 million estimate that the media are reporting for the Obama inauguration. When the costs incurred by the federal government and the District of Columbia are factored in, the total cost of Bush's 2005 inauguration was reportedly around $157 million, as Media Matters for America senior fellow Eric Boehlert noted.

Fundraising

Preparations at the capitolUnlike in political campaigns, there are no legal restrictions on the amount that one can contribute to an inaugural celebration. The 2005 inauguration saw numerous corporations contribute $250,000 to George W. Bush's second inauguration, which cost an estimated $42.3 million,[12] while Obama's inauguration is expected to cost $40 million from Obama's Presidential Inaugural Committee[13] and "near $50 million" from the city.[14] As the costs have soared to over $150 million for the District and neighboring states[12] (another estimate[15] suggests $170 million or more in total), such as Maryland where the costs are over $11 million,[16] Barack Obama's inauguration committee (Penny Pritzker, John W. Rogers, Jr., Pat Ryan, William Daley and Julianna Smoot) set a $50,000 contribution limit to underscore their "commitment to change business as usual in Washington."[17] As of January 6, 2009, the committee had raised over $27 million and at least 378 people gave the maximum $50,000, including George Soros, Halle Berry, Jamie Foxx, Sharon Stone, Samuel L. Jackson, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Ron Howard, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Robert Zemeckis and Jim Henson's daughter Lisa Henson.[18] Although the committee is not accepting donations from PACs, federally registered lobbyists, or corporations,[19] they are accepting donations from individuals with active lobbying interest such as Google and Microsoft executives Eric Schmidt and Steve Ballmer, respectively.[18]

When is Obama sworn in tomorrow?

Is it at noon Eastern?

Aye, pimpin', do what ya gotta do.

I don't care one way or the other.

But, for someone who comes off so negatively about everything.....how do you expect anyone to actually expect anyone to listen to you? You posted an article that talked about the cost of OBAMA'S inaguration, and now you get into a snit because I responded to an article you posted THAT HAD THE MAN'S NAME IN THE DAMN THING?!

Whatever.