Contessa Donatella

3 hours ago, slick jones said:

Is there a point to creating a thread for this? Asking for a friend.

Asking for a friend? Hmm. Well, I thought there was a  point. Mebbe not. I could've been wrong.

25 minutes ago, StepBack said:

 

Yes, those scenes were great and heartfelt. I know people say that Braeden doesn't try as much, but he always hits scenes like this out of the park.

 

I had no idea EB had it in him. Good for him!

24 minutes ago, John said:

Ron cant even write for GLBT characters properly and he is part of that community. So his inability to write for Persons of Color does not surprise one bit

Wait a minute here. Ron's gay? Oy! What in the heck is he doing with his scenes littered with inept young gay ones?!!!

20 minutes ago, robbwolff said:

 

CJ = Corinne Jacker

Corinne Jacker was a disaster, wasn't she?

That year, (1981) Ms. Jacker’s career took a different turn when she became head writer for the NBC soap opera “Another World.” But she quit after one season. “I hated it,” she told Mr. Wishna.

On 10/10/2019 at 7:52 PM, Donna B said:

 

And, before anything else happens, JFP fired Barbara Berjer for being too old, aka over 50. (Same for David Hedison.) I don't know how much it meant at GL for Barbara Berjer to be fired but at AW, she was always there to take care of Vicky's two boys!

I hope that both Jensen & Zimmer can both pull themselves up out of the deep holes they're in. It would be too much to imagine that they could work again, although Zimmer has worked some in theatre.

Watching Wednesday's Chicago PD

13 hours ago, Donna B said:

      Lucy Johnson, Laurence Caso, Felicia Mini Behr, Kenneth Fitts, Angela Shapiro, etc. were all network execs. There may be more.

 

    

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Daytime

John Rohrbeck Vice President of Daytime Programming 1991–1996 Gave Another World another shot to improve ratings and offered them an extension on their contract and instead first, Generations was canceled in 1991 and then Santa Barbara, 2 years later in 1993.

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Brian FronsVice President of Daytime Programming1983–1991Under his leadership of NBC Daytime, he brought in several new game shows such as Dream House, GO!, Hit Man, Hot Potato, The Match Game – Hollywood Squares Hour, Time Machine, Your Number's Up, and Wordplay – all were canceled due to low ratings and neither lasted more than just one season. The only games that would make it pass season 1 or more were Sale of The Century (1983–1989; revival of the 1969–73 original, which also aired on NBC), Super Password (1984–1989), Classic Concentration (1987–91) and Scrabble (1984–1993). He canceled the long running daytime version of Wheel of Fortune (1975–1989). He also added a new soap opera Santa Barbara (1984–1993). He canceled Search for Tomorrow in December 1986, after it was on NBC for 4 years. Frons previously work for Search For Tomorrow, while working as the head for CBS Daytime. Frons appeared as God on Santa Barbara in a dream sequence involving Mason Capwell (Lane Davies). He helped Santa Barbara garner three daytime emmys for best drama series and brought the short-lived soap Generations (1989–1991).

Brian Frons appeared as god in a dream sequence on SB.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Daytime

Laurence Caso

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Caso

9 hours ago, Donna B said:

Sheraton Kalouria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheraton_Kalouria

Occupation    

    1996, SVP Daytime programs, ABC
    2000, SVP Daytime Programs, NBCU
    2005, President, Broadcasting, MSLO
    2010, EVP, CMO at Sony Pictures Television
    2016 President, CMO at Sony Pictures Television

Mr. Sheraton Kalouria is an American television executive based in Los Angeles, California, and the former President and Chief Marketing Officer[2] at Sony Pictures Television.[3][4]

 

Angelica McDaniel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelica_McDaniel

In 2010 she joined CBS as VP of daytime programming, overseeing the launch of the network's first daytime talk show, The Talk. In February 2012 Angelica was upped to SVP and became network TV's youngest Head of Daytime.

During McDaniel's rookie year as head of daytime, CBS nabbed 51 Daytime Emmy nominations and 21 wins, more than any other network.

In this newly created role, McDaniel continues to oversee CBS Network's top-rated lineup in the day-part (daytime dramas The Young and the Restless and The Bold and the Beautiful, game shows The Price is Right and Let's Make a Deal, and the entertainment talk show The Talk), as well as development for all new first-run programming at CBS Television Distribution (CTD), the industry's leading domestic syndication company. She is also in charge of developing new series across all traditional and new genres of programming for the syndication marketplace.

Angelica McDaniel was fired from CBS on September 5, 2019. So Angelica McDaniel is no longer the Vice-President of Daytime Programming at CBS, CBS got rid of her position altogether, so there won't be a successor for her position.

16 minutes ago, Khan said:

Although Claire Labine didn't give Mel much to do in the "unearthing Dorian's past" storyline, I felt like she really invested a lot of time and energy into making him and Dorian a viable, romantic, older couple.  It's a disgrace how JFP came along and just obliterated it all out of hubris and spit.

Oh, I loved Mel! Good actor!

On Sept. 22, I said: Unfortunately, not much time passed before Brian Frons canceled SOAPnet, AMC & OLTL.

On Sept. 26, Raven Whitney said: In fact, worst exec in modern times should go to Brian Frons.

https://deadline.com/2011/09/susan-lucci-blasts-abc-daytime-chief-over-all-my-children-cancellation-as-she-is-yet-to-commit-to-continue-on-the-show-166716/

Susan Lucci Blasts ABC Daytime Chief Over ‘All My Children’ Cancellation As She Has Yet To Commit To Continue On The Show

By Nellie Andreeva    
Nellie Andreeva

Co-Editor-in-Chief, TV
@DeadlineNellie
September 3, 2011 11:01am

All My Children star Susan Lucci has some blistering parting words for ABC Daytime president Brian Frons as her soap ends its 41-year run on ABC this month. In a  freshly written epilogue to the upcoming paperback edition of her memoir “All My Life” obtained by the New York Post, she blames the show’s cancellation squarely on “some very bad decisions by” Frons. Among them, according to Lucci, the 2008 hiring of Chuck Pratt as head writer, which led to “subpar” writing on the show (he was let go a year later), the 2009 relocation of the show from New York to Los Angeles, and the pushing out of AMC creator Agnes Nixon. “I watched Brian Frons’ decisions destroy the production of our show and the lives of people on both sides of the country,” she wrote, adding that he has “that fatal combination of ignorance and arrogance.” As for the soap’s cancellation to be replaced by a cheaper unscripted show, “an iconic show was losing out to greed,” Lucci wrote. “I cannot fathom any network executive choosing to alienate millions of loyal viewers in these economic times.” Frons recently told Deadline that the protests over the cancellation of All My Children and fellow ABC soap One Life to Live demonstrate that “we actually did a good job for all of these last 40 years. I think we’ve spent 40-plus years trying to keep the soap-opera audience happy. So in an odd way, (the outcry) is actually good. It’s just sad that we don’t have a solution.”

https://serialdrama.typepad.com/serial_drama/2011/12/serial-dramas-best-and-worst-of-2011.html

https://ew.com/article/2011/04/14/abc-brian-frons-all-my-children/

13 hours ago, Donna B said:

      Lucy Johnson, Laurence Caso, Felicia Mini Behr, Kenneth Fitts, etc. were all network execs. There may be more.

 

soapfan770 Posted September 8

Actually glad to see Angelica McDaniel go the way of her predecessors Barbara Bloom and Lucy Johnson. Even better yet, like Mary Alice Dwyer-Dobbin(remember the MADD one?) at P&G her position is pretty much eliminated altogether. Micromanaging meddlesome exec's, whether it was Johnson or McDaniel at CBS, MADD with P&G, John Rohrbeck, Susan Lee, and Sheraton Kalouria at NBC, or Angela Shapiro and Brian Frons at ABC are all that helped kill the daytime soaps with their very short-sighted and self-fulfilling agendas.
McDaniel's support has always been suspect; championing the work of MAB, Pratt, and then pushing the Rosales family in to replace the Winters were all horrible. She will not be missed. ABC and NBC haven't had any specific daytime exec for years; the CBS daytime lineup, while ailing, will be fine without one. Sad to say, unless their are extremely drastic changes I just don't see the current CBS Daytime lineup existing in its current form beyond 2021.
Unlike GL which is the only soap I considered that really did die of natural causes as opposed to the typical shocking cancellation, Y&R and B&B still have a lot of life left in them but it would actually take a lot of drastic change, focus, talent, energy and even perhaps a change in format & delivery to save them, something I just don't see happening either unfortunately.

soapfan770
Posted September 8

Actually glad to see Angelica McDaniel go the way of her predecessors Barbara Bloom and Lucy Johnson. Even better yet, like Mary Alice Dwyer-Dobbin(remember the MADD one?) at P&G her position is pretty much eliminated altogether. Micromanaging meddlesome exec's, whether it was Johnson or McDaniel at CBS, MADD with P&G, John Rohrbeck, Susan Lee, and Sheraton Kalouria at NBC, or Angela Shapiro and Brian Frons at ABC are all that helped kill the daytime soaps with their very short-sighted and self-fulfilling agendas.
McDaniel's support has always been suspect; championing the work of MAB, Pratt, and then pushing the Rosales family in to replace the Winters were all horrible. She will not be missed. ABC and NBC haven't had any specific daytime exec for years; the CBS daytime lineup, while ailing, will be fine without one. Sad to say, unless their are extremely drastic changes I just don't see the current CBS Daytime lineup existing in its current form beyond 2021.
Unlike GL which is the only soap I considered that really did die of natural causes as opposed to the typical shocking cancellation, Y&R and B&B still have a lot of life left in them but it would actually take a lot of drastic change, focus, talent, energy and even perhaps a change in format & delivery to save them, something I just don't see happening either unfortunately.

Micromanaging meddlesome execs were surely some of the worst of the 1990s and 2000s. Personally I don't slap a natural causes death on GL. GL tried too hard to be new & different & to win.

3 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

I really wish Lani was as strong and well defined as Gabi. This ''epic rivalry'' feels so one sided. I wonder if Lani will grow as a character during the Time Jump? The rumor is Lani will go bonkers. I miss how well AMC & OLTL handled AA and Hispanic character.  ATWT also did a great job with Jessica and Tonio. Lani has never been fleshed out. Pitting Lani & Gabi could've been good with a way better HW. Gabi can easily wipe the floor with someone as meh as Lani. 

The thing is this: Lani deserves better! Day in & day out, she just flat out deserves better. The HW should fix that!

On 9/8/2019 at 1:08 PM, soapfan770 said:

Actually glad to see Angelica McDaniel go the way of her predecessors Barbara Bloom and Lucy Johnson. Even better yet, like Mary Alice Dwyer-Dobbin(remember the MADD one?) at P&G her position is pretty much eliminated altogether. Micromanaging meddlesome exec's, whether it was Johnson or McDaniel at CBS, MADD with P&G, John Rohrbeck, Susan Lee, and Sheraton Kalouria at NBC, or Angela Shapiro and Brian Frons at ABC are all that helped kill the daytime soaps with their very short-sighted and self-fulfilling agendas. 

Look at all these names that go into my Network & Network Execs thread!

On 9/8/2019 at 1:08 PM, soapfan770 said:

 

McDaniel's support has always been suspect; championing the work of MAB, Pratt, and then pushing the Rosales family in to replace the Winters were all horrible. She will not be missed. ABC and NBC haven't had any specific daytime exec for years; the CBS daytime lineup, while ailing, will be fine without one. Sad to say, unless their are extremely drastic changes I just don't see the current CBS Daytime lineup existing in its current form beyond 2021.

Who is MAB?

On 9/8/2019 at 1:08 PM, soapfan770 said:

 

Unlike GL which is the only soap I considered that really did die of natural causes as opposed to the typical shocking cancellation, Y&R and B&B still have a lot of life left in them but it would actually take a lot of drastic change, focus, talent, energy and even perhaps a change in format & delivery to save them, something I just don't see happening either unfortunately. 

1 hour ago, Days22 said:

 

The writing for black characters has been the biggest stain on soaps since forever. Most have been written to just be their job basically. Either cops, or a doctor, or the poor kid. 

 

There is a reason Y&R was able to build such a large black audience. They did it right for awhile before they fumbled it all away. 

 

Other than AMC in the 80's and sometimes 90s and Y&R in the 90's there been very few examples of the black characters getting to be real fleshed out characters. ATWT had some good periods with Jessica. OLTL had some moments too. RJ was allowed to be a smart villain sometimes. I also loved when Lexie went bad at Days and was the star of the show for like 3 years. 

 

Outside of that, it really is embarrassing. 

I really didn't like the begging. On AMC back in the day I loved Livia, Tom, Mimi, Terence, etc. And, then, of course what was not to love about Angie & Jesse. I'm very fond of Tamora Tunie, whether on daytime or primetime.

On 10/8/2019 at 1:55 PM, JAS0N47 said:

CHRISTMAS SNEAK PEEK CLUE...

This Christmas Eve, not every scene will take place in Salem.

What?!!!!! I am always looking forward to Christmas at the Hortons. But, automatically, that means in Salem. Where are they gonna go?!!! And why? DOOL doesn't even have a secondary locale.

This is from THE SURVIVAL OF SOAP OPERA: TRANSFORMATIONS FOR A NEW MEDIA ERA. Edited by Sam Ford, Abigail de Kosnik, and C. Lee Harrington. University Press of Mississippi/Jackson. © 2011.

I have permission to share it with you from both Patrick Erwin and Sam Ford

GL Relevance and Renewal in a Changing Genre by Patrick Erwin

[Maybe this would work:

https://www.amazon.com/reader/1617033170/ref=rdr_sb_li_hist_1&state=10112#reader_1617033170]

On 11/2/2017 at 11:01 AM, BellaCuore said:

The Official "Off Topic" Thread

 

Get to know other posters and speak of anything other than soap opera's, primetime shows or politics. Great way to make new friends, get to know one another, get advice, share life experiences and much more. 

Today is Friday, Oct. 11th, 2019, an annual holiday, National Coming Out Day. When I came out, back in 1999, I went from unhappy to happy. Hooray!

I'm back in Kim's book again looking for where she talked about not wanting to break the fourth wall. Lord, it's taking forever.

2 hours ago, KMan101 said:

 

Tricked her and stabbed her with a syringe filled with something "just for her".

Oh, groan. I mean, I really don't think of Rolf as smart enough. Is he?

36 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

You know, it's not as if TPTB had decided on a Monday to start taping episodes in Peapack that Tuesday.  GL had ample "lead time" to figure out a smoother transition. 

 

For instance, they could have staged a (modest) tornado just before the switch that 1) would have generated more interest in The Great Peapack Experiment and 2) would have explained the relative sparseness of their new locales.  ("Devastated by a tornado no one was prepared for, the citizens of Springfield face an uncertain future as they must rebuild their homes -- and their lives.")

 

There were a number of ways to handle the transition, and IMO, Ellen Wheeler and her team fucked up by choosing none of 'em.

I don't think they had any time at all. For example, they had to  learn OTJ (on the job) how to use the handheld digital cameras & lavalier mics. That's why the transition was so difficult. And, then, after Step 1, the cams &  mics, getting ready to work outside the next part was learning how to write for the new structure. Which they very well did, but it took some time & part of that time was wasted having ConWest in place!

27 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

I'm curious as well, @Roman.  The only plan of his that I know of was (of course) giving the men of Salem back their balls.  (Hogan Sheffer was REALLY obsessed with men's balls for some reason.)

Yes, Hoagie had testosterone on the brain!

19 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

If Cynthia Watros can't make Nina "pop," then you KNOW the character has to GO.

Wow, I didn't realize the writing for her was so bad. If Watros can't play some part, whatever that part is, then, there is something dreadfully wrong!

Mary Alice Dwyer-Dobbin, nicknamed "Mickey" since childhood. She is an American television network executive. Accolades include recipient Maggie award for television documentaries Planned Parenthood Federation American, 1982, Ace award for best magazine show, 1983, Clean Air Week award American Lung Association, 1989. Member National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (board directors 1985-1987), National Cable television Association (chairman Ace awards committee 1983-1984).

https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/1240445

Dwyer-Dobbin initially stated that no soap opera would be canceled under her watch; however, that promise was broken when, in 1999, Another World was cancelled after 35 years on television. This decision appears to have ultimately been made because NBC and Procter & Gamble could not agree on the fee NBC would pay for the show; nonetheless, viewers blamed Dwyer-Dobbin.

(That is the first time i have ever heard that as a reason for cancelling AW. Has anyone else ever heard it as a reason?)

Mary-Ellis Bunim (RIP) was both a Producer and a network Exec. She produced at different levels at SFT, ATWT and SB. Then she became associated with Jonathan Murray where they formed Bunim/Murray Productions. It was best known in daytime drama space by a reality "character growth/life coach" show, STARTING OVER, where they housed a half dozen women in a place to work on their lives. In primetime they did REAL WORLD and various shows like ROAD RULES and music management. STARTING OVER was probably best known for the wisdom of Iyanla Van Zant.

52 minutes ago, Mitch said:

People JUMPED on my on the Facebook GL thing when I said the whole thing was stupid..they just didnt get that it made no sense, I wasnt interested in watching the actors do anything but act as their characters, and it was a waste of time and energy when we were on the chopping block!

Zimmer didn't want to do it for that reason: because she didn't want to break the fourth wall & be Zimmer instead of Reva. That's why they did it as webisodes rather than regular episodes.

41 minutes ago, Roman said:

Loved Victor and Victoria's scene.

I just happened to be up front in the living room when that scene was on. Our weekday caretaker Val watches Y&R. I watch DOOL back in my room. The times are different. Anyway, that was a terrific scene! I don't even like Victor & it was great.

6 hours ago, Donna B said:

P&G was not really a network or a creator but rather was a distributor & an advertiser. At one point P&G owned more soaps than anyone else. And, at one point P&G advertised more products than anyone else except for cars & for phone companies right after they had been deregulated by Reagan.

    

          Around the globe Procter & Gamble Co. products take consumers from cradle to grave. Pampers diapers cover babies' bottoms and Ivory soap floats in their bathtubs. Crest toothpaste brushes their teeth and Tide detergent washes their clothes. Folgers coffee starts the workday; Duncan Hines cakes mark each birthday.
          The Cincinnati company is an American success story. A share of P&G stock purchased in 1986 hsd appreciated 159 percent by 1992---more than double the Dow Jones Average growth rate---and the company has increased dividends to shareholders for 36 years in a row. All told, P&G goods are found in 98 percent of all kitchens and pantries. P&G's invention of selling competing brands has been duplicated to sell everything from Cadillacs to candy bars.
     P&G, which popularized consumer advertising and daytime soap operas, has built an empire partially by reinforcing stereotypes about women as subservient to men.
     P&G's standing as the country's largest advertiser gives it a stranglehold on Madison Avenue. Armed with a $2.15-billion annual advertising budget, the company blankets the country with messages about Ivory purity, Downy softness, and Scope freshness. Those massive P&G accounts offer steady work in a tumultous industry, but the soap company controls virtually every aspect of its ad agencies' work. It has tried to block mergers between agencies and moved multimillion-dollar accounts when its wishes weren't obeyed. Even account managers get locked into restrictive P&G agreements that limit where they can work after doing business with the company.
     P&G tried its soap opera format on daytime television. Their first daytime soap was "The First Hundred Years", launched in 1950. It lasted only a month.
     But, P&G tried again with "Search for Tomorrow" and a TV version of its radio show, "The Guiding Light". By the mid-fifties it had thirteen different soaps on the air.
     The company was criticized from the start about the sappy content of its ads and TV shows, but P&G believed it was in the business to sell soap, nothing else. "The problem of improving the literary tastes of the people is the problem of the schools," said CEO Neil McElroy in 1953. P&G consumers "aren't intellectuals---they're ordinary people, good people, who win wars for us, produce our manufactured products, and grow our food." He then added, "They use a lot of soap."
     P&G's G-rated nature is hypocritical considering its continued sponsorship of the daytime soap operas "Guiding Light", "Another World," and "As the World Turns", which all portray marriage as disposable as diapers. For example, in a typical episode of "Another World" the women sob about their tortured love lives.        
     P&G  has moved into new markets in China & Russia & they've sent their old traditional soap operas there, too. "Search for Tomorrow and "Guiding Light".

Apple's introducing an otter emoji!

So, listen, I had to miss the show again yesterday. What did I miss< Thanks.