Paul Raven

It's kind of ironic that a thread dedicated to clearing up misinformation is doing the opposite.

As French Fan has stated from scripts from Dec 71 Scott and Kathy are growing closer which leads to his marriage proposal sometime in 1972 and her reveal that she had an abortion.

My guess (not factual statement) is that the abortion was downplayed and may not have even been dealt with on air until Kathy's reveal. Which is why it did not receive as much publicity as Erica's. Hopefully the actual dates can be uncovered at some point.

How many times did we read that soaps were going back to basics and focus on romance and familiar characters?

It never really happened.

1 hour ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

So, it goes like this: 

AW 1st abortion, illegal, Pat Matthews, no abortion anywhere was legal

SFT 1st legal abortion, Kathy Phillips traveled from Hendersons to NYC, Sept. 1970

AMC 2nd illegal abortion Erica May 1971 

I'm not sure why you are stating that Kathy on SFT had an abortion in Sept 1970. Kathy was not even on the show until 1971. 

On 2/21/2024 at 1:37 PM, DRW50 said:

There's a hilarious question about eight minutes in where someone asks if she and Louis Edmonds are an item...

i'm sure Ruth would have agreed to date or even marry him if he asked!

Apart from Lisa, John and Lucinda there wasn't really anyone else that had longevity at that point.

I get that they need to keep the show young but most of those characters had no connection to the history so  there couldn't be any generational storytelling.

41 minutes ago, detroitpiston said:

We can’t know for sure but it seems like the budget is under control too

Limited sets, cheap looking costumes, few extras/day players,low guarantees...I'd say the budget is under control.

As The World Turns

Jeff Baker sings 'Penny'. That was released as a single but I don't think it charted.

Those posters who continually post provocative/baiting posts want the attention/responses. Simply ignore them and they hopefully will give up or change their style.

Who was that poster who relentlessly shilled Jean Passanante?

Brian Evers

All My Children

Loving

If Jacquie was lucky and those ads were national and ran for a while, she could have made a decent amount of money.

1 hour ago, Taoboi said:

But yeeeeah, split personality of some sort. 

yikes...brings back memories of Billy's 'personalities' where he would chew gum so we would know the difference.

Another of Josh's deep dives into mental health issues.

1 hour ago, soapfan770 said:

expanded from 30 minutes to 60 minutes to even 90 minutes in the cases of the Virginian and I think Bonanza temporary…?

The Virginian was always 90 mins and Bonanza always an hour. Gunsmoke did expand from 30 min to an hour as 60 min became the norm for dramas.

Thanks for posting. Some clips from SFT and ATWT I have never seen online which shows there is more out there.

A little bit of Eileen goes a looong way.

RUDOLPH WILLRICH

ANOTHER WORLD Tony Douglas

LINDA DE COFF
LOVE IS A MANY SPLENDORED THING  Betsy

Just came across a NY Times article reporting on Trump's NY properties and how some buildings have dropped the Trump branding as it has negatively affected property valuations.

At one residential building, the residents went to court to have the Trump name removed. Leading the charge was Linda Gottlieb. who was cited as producer of Dirty Dancing. She was quoted as saying something along the lines that she didn't feel comfortable having that address in light of Trump's values and actions.

It's a pity that Elizabeth never returned, even for visits. Some characters just get forgotten.

NBC Entertainment prez Warren Littlefield comments on Daytime Nov 92

John Rohrbeck [president of the NBC-owned stations] was recently given oversight of NBC daytime as well. What's ahead for that daypart?

Well, strategically, what we've had to look at is what's the reality for NBC in the daypart. In late night, we have outstanding clearances. Daytime? We have the schedule, but the fact of the matter is 14% of our stations actually ran it the way we intended.

The entire schedule? Yes, 14% of our stations were running the daytime schedule live, the way we would feed it. So we have multiple feeds, and everyone had their own needs, including some of our O &Os. So I think what we've been realizing, and have been articulating for a while, is that we can't proceed with the kind of network arrogance of, "Oh, we're going to do it, therefore it's going to happen." Because in reality, in the marketplace, it wasn't happening. We formed the Affiliate Daytime Committee to have a more direct relationship with really smart broadcasters out there who are affiliate partners, and what they said is: "We need you in daytime. We can't be in a situation where we are victims for syndicators. Yes, we will take part of our daytime schedule, and, of course, we have to acquire shows from syndicators,  but we can't have our entire daytime schedule be in that kind of flux and jeopardy. We need you." So that was important for us to hear. Then what we've basically had to start looking at is: "What do they need? How can we supply it? How can we succeed ?" We started to say: "All right, we've got to meet their needs. We've got to get into a market to be able to sell much better on a market -for -market basis, the way a syndicator would." We asked ourselves: "How do we induce our stations to get better clearances and to get better promotion, and get them invested in the success of these shows ?" And that's what we've been doing. Now, if you say: "How do you reach and succeed with most of the country?" well, John Rohrbeck has almost 25% of the country with the owned and operated stations. Now, that's a way to increase your base. You've got to be in sync with John Rohrbeck's needs. And what it really became was that strategically it just seemed to make much more sense that the way to accomplish it was to have Rohrbeck running that daypart.

Is NBC going to have a pool of programs from which the affiliates will be able to pick and choose, or will you still try to provide a lineup? Clearly, Days of Our Lives and Another World are critically important enough to us that they be played back to back and that they get total support throughout the country. And we will get that. We can't afford to offer a pool of programs, but if we offer a show that we believe in, and not enough stations carry it, then, you know, we'll go out and try and sell it on a market -for -market basis. That's what we're going to have to do.

To competing stations? Yes. We've really got to change the rules. What we can't do is say: "Oh, here are the 12 choices and, you know, we're going to license these shows, or even own them, and you get to pick, say, four." We're not a Chinese restaurant. But I think, because of the Affiliate Committee, and because of John Rohrbeck's and John Miller's efforts, we're going to be offering product that more closely resembles what the stations need. Look at the way Oprah has succeeded. We're going to do experiments with CNBC. We're going to do station experiments, and then roll out after we can build a track record of success in an individual market, then roll out nationally if we feel we've got the goods.

Do you risk losing even more clearances, whether live or delayed, by in effect saying to affiliates: "If you don't clear our programs, the ones that we're offering, then we're going to have to take them elsewhere in the market ?" As I said earlier, we're going to be less arrogant about what their needs are, and we realize that in the nonsoap programing, there's going to be more movement as to what those station's needs are.

Some info on The Round Table

NBC Fri @9 Opposition  CBS Designing Women/Bob

                                         ABC Dinosaurs/Camp Wilder

                                         FOX sightings/Likely Suspects

Good counter programming and none of the opposition looked particularly strong.

But it never took off and by November NBC put movies in its place.

NBC s warren Littlefield commented:

As I looked at some of the shows that we had out there on Friday night, they weren't the right shows. Do I think, strategically, that a Friday night soap opera could be successful with a broad based television audience to try and skew it down a little bit from the kind of 50 plus skew that Dallas ended up having? Yes. I think that's a smart strategy. We had to look very closely at The Round Table and say: "Will that be that show ?" The feeling was no. That doesn't mean strategically I still don't think we have an opportunity on Friday night to offer that kind of programing.

Maybe they went too young with Round Table.

Cast -some past and future daytime names there

• David Ackroyd as Senator Jack Reed
• Roxann Biggs as Jennifer Clemente
• Tom Bresnahan as Mitchell Clark
• David Gail as Danny Burke
• Stacy Haiduk as Rhea McPherson
• Erik King as Wade Carter
• Pepper Sweeney as Deveraux Jones
• Jessica Walter as Anne McPherson
• Alexandra Wilson as Kaitlin Cavanaugh (episode 3+)

2 hours ago, Lye-C said:

Which soap did the first “back from the dead” story?

Depends on your definition- either a character believed to be dead that we never saw onscreen or a character that 'died' onscreen .

Secret Storm had an ex husband return from the dead in the 50's but we had never seen that character.

Love of Life killed off 'Paul Raven' in the 50's and the character came back in the early 70's.

On 2/17/2024 at 2:45 AM, Jdee43 said:

In hindsight, I think it would have been best to write Bethel Leslie's Maggie off and bring Lydia Bruce on as an entirely new character.

Writing Maggie off would have been difficult-audiences wouldn't have been happy to see Matt and Maggie split. Or if Maggie died that might not have gone down well as she was the mother of a young child.

That would have also made it difficult for Lydia to come on as a new love interest.

Maggie was originally Ann Williams so viewers had already seen a different Maggie with Matt. I think Ann was quite popular in the role so there might have been resistance to Bethel at first.

Bethel went on to write Secret Storm.

57 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

I agree. Maybe she really wants to do more independent films and this is her way to help finance these projects.

I doubt that the $$ earned from a few days work at Y&R would help much.

Would she get the same rate as her contract salary? I've always wondered how that works. 

Instead of wasting time on 2 unknowns recreating Tom and Alice in front of a fake brick wall, why not just dig out some long unseen Tom and Alice scenes that illustrate their loving relationship.

Days does this sort of stuff as a tribute to its past but at the same time ignores the Hortons in the present day. Any viewer who started watching in the last decade or so would wonder why Tom and Alice are getting this attention. There is only  Sarah and Lucas with  that surname on the show. Sarah isn't biologically a Horton and Lucas never knew Tom or half his family.

Oct 92 NBC CANS 'SANTA BARBARA,' GIVES BACK TIME Affiliates will get half -hour from network, NBC puts Rohrbeck in charge of daytime

NBC made the move speculated about for the past year when it announced last week the cancellation of the multi -award winning but low rated daytime soap Santa Barbara. In addition, the network has turned over a half hour of time to its affiliates and turned over responsibility for the daypart to John Rohrbeck, president, NBC -TV Stations, in an attempt to improve support among affiliates for the network's daytime programing.

Santa Barbara wasn't the only casualty last week; the network also canceled Dr. Dean, with both series scheduled to end their NBC runs on Jan. 15, 1993. The network intends to feed four hours of daytime programing to affiliates, with two hours made up of the soaps Another World and Days of Our Lives, and the other two hours made up of the half hour Faith Daniels talk show and an hour and a half of game shows.

The 90 minute block of game shows will be made up of possibly three shows. One option is to produce a new, hour version of Classic Concentration and pair it with one of several projects in development. Currently being looked at are a return of Scrabble, which the network dumped to make room for Generations several years ago, Scategories, or Swap Meet, the latter described as similar to The Price Is Right.

By the summer of 1993, however, the network expects the four -hour daytime feed to consist of the two soaps,an hour of game shows and an hour of talk. The talk hour is expected to consist of either a retooled hour version of Faith Daniels's A Closer Look or an hour long show featuring NBC News legal correspondent Star Jones.

As part of the restructuring, NBC has formed the Affiliate Daytime Committee, to be chaired by Lee, general manager, KHQ -TV Spokane, Wash. The group will work closely with the network in scheduling and advertising and promotion activities with regard to daytime programing. Warren Littlefield, president, NBC Entertainment, said the changes have come about as a result of necessity. "We've had a problem in the daypart for the past 15 years, and I've spent the last two years trying to analyze those problems. We're not a traditional network in these dayparts as we are in late night or prime time. Only 14% of our affiliates carry our daytime schedule as we feed it. We can't think like a network," he said, "we have to put on the glasses of the local stations and better idea of what they're seeing."

The half hour being returned to stations was a concession to affiliates that the advisory committee suggested. "It's something they said they needed," said Littlefield, who also stressed that the stations "would rather be in bed with us rather than syndicators. That's because once those syndicated shows become popular the price starts going up."

The stand out for me was that only 14% of affiliates were running the schedule. NBC allowed that and paid the price.

https://soapcentral.com/young-and-restless/recaps/

1 hour ago, fivethej said:

Is there an episode guide with summaries from early 90's episodes anywhere?

Guiding Light

Fletcher Reade   Reporter

                    Charles "Jay" Hammer  1983- March 11 98; 2009

Roger Thorpe  Dennis Parlato    1997-March 16 98   

Dr. Sara McIntyre Gantry Werner Blackford Thorpe Millette Alexander  Jan  1969-1983  

Mildred Foss     Jan Sterling ? 69 -   Feb 70     Gantry maid in cahoots with Joel to do away with Sara 

Jane Marie Stafford  (Jennifer Stafford Richards Evans) Geraldine Court April 1980- Feb 83

Tammy Grimes     Tammy Grimes  Feb 19 - 25   1986

Joe Kowalski     William Hickey Nov   1986 

Dr. Timothy Ryan   Jordan Clarke  Dec 1974- Nov 76

Connie __ Elizondo   Jan - ? 1983   marriage counselor Kelly & Morgan  social worker

Dr. Gwen Harding    Elizabeth Allen   Oct - ? 1983   psychiatrist, Annabelle