P.J.

10 hours ago, Xanthe said:

Thanks. So she had no other connections or interest other than being paid, at least at first. Not secretly someone's child or parent or lover.

Nope. And I remember really liking VW in the role. I remember she got some sitcom that tanked, and had a couple of appearances on HIMYM.

On 2/17/2024 at 2:08 PM, Xanthe said:

Does anyone remember the details of the character of Brandy? I recently came across a couple of episodes from September 2002 and I remembered her name and the fact that I liked Virginia Williams, but I am entirely confused about the storyline. Someone I assume must be Paul has caught Brandy snooping in Marshall's room while Bonnie is with Marshall somewhere else trying to convince Marshall that she finds him overwhelmingly attractive? 

Brandy was first brought on in 2001. She was paid by Nick Scudder to sleep with Adam and break up Adam and Abigail. She then just kind of hung around town. In April 2002, Craig pays her to start a diversion to let James escape the hospital, in exchange for information on Carly's whereabouts (while she was kidnapped in the Spa story). Paul and Bonnie were trying to get dirt on Marshall to get him to back out of the DA race against Jessica. Spoiler:

I love Billy and Vanessa, but they are always miserable. Or at least the clips I manage to catch.

Since Soapsuds already brought it up---Kelley Hensley in pretty much any "dramatic" moment. It was the worst acted rape story I've witnessed. I remember laughing as Emily ran through Susan's house, to wash herself in the kitchen sink. Accompanied by her incessant "hmmmmn, hmmmn, hmmmmm" and snot crying. See also any time Emily cracked up.

Brooke Logan wandering the beach with her doll "children". Sigh---KKL is a trooper, but master thespian she ain't. There's a reason she's only gotten (I think) one emmy nod in all the years she's been on B&B.

Ronn Moss. PERIOD.

On 2/4/2024 at 8:44 PM, Donna L. Bridges said:

There was so much wrong about it. EFulton brought up disrespecting AW & its fans. It also disrespected ATWT & its fans & they resented the Bay City Intruders & I never could blame them for that.

Plus it disrespected both the AW actors & their characters! Hot mess indeed! Cass has a signature curl at the nape of his neck, left side & ATWT Hair wanted to cut if off immediately & he had to fight them over it telling them the fans would plotz & they didn't get it at all. And then the ATWT writers gave him a crude joke to tell about Lila that Cass NEVER would have said about any woman EVER. 

That grand PGP idea was a total bust. 

Crossovers are a great idea in theory (and I'm talking all of them, daytime and primetime), but the writers usually aren't able to grasp the nuances for these "foreign" characters. 

That said, I wouldn't give a flying fig about some iconic left-sided curly-que either. 

4 hours ago, Efulton said:

They could have broken up Jake and Vicky and a single Jake could have stayed in Oakdale. Killing off Vicky was lazy writing and a lack of respect for Another World and had nothing to with Jensen's contract issues.

I don't think ATWT breaking up Jake and Vicky would have played any better with the AW audience. ATWT should've just created a new character for Eplin and played that. I know as an ATWT viewer I never really cared about Jake no matter how hard they shoved him down our throat. 

12 hours ago, Chris B said:

For ATWT I thought the AW crossovers were awful. I’ve started a rewatch with 1998 and I’m now at the beginning of 2000 and these crossovers were awful. The focus was on Jake and to a lesser extent Vicky, but I don’t think Jenson fit on ATWT at all (I also didn’t like her on AW). With that said, they could’ve broken them up and send her back to Bay City. I imagine the purpose of the crossover was to bring in AW viewers but a disrespectful move like that would never help achieve that. 
 

I’ll admit that Jake fit in better than Vicky, but the real stars were Cass and Lila. I’m surprised they weren’t the ones to cross over full time. 

I for one hated that they kept dragging Cass' butt over. I think the last time I saw him, he was blackmailing Carly and defending Iris. Or maybe that's just when I declared him dead to me.

Originally, I think calling ATWT, AW and Guiding Light "sister shows" just referenced them being created by Phillips. Maybe there was some implied cache about linking them in the viewers minds. After Phillips' firing, it became more about them being sponsored by P&G.

I guess I didn't realize that Brandon's ashes were spread like Alan's. (yes, less spectacularly, but still...)

8 hours ago, Sapounopera said:

Perhaps they used parts of the Wexler set once Amanda was gone?

Most likely. That's what all soaps do. There was a particular slanted window treatment ATWT used for thirty years. I always recognized it from the old Montgomery and Associates set. 

16 hours ago, Sapounopera said:

I'been sayting that this is the same place for years. The question I have... wasn't this house part of the Wexler estate? 

And am I crazy to think that Amanda inherited Lucille's house and Alan eventually moved there with Hope? Making this the Spaulding mansion? 

Yes, the carriage house was on the grounds of the Wexler estate. I think Ben and Eve got to live there while employed by Lucille. Then Carrie and Ross moved there.

No, the Spaulding mansion was a separate entity that would've come before the Wexler set. I'm not sure if any other characters bought it after Amanda left. 

18 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

 

Andy was injured but he saved her. I vaguely recall there was some discussion that more Kingsleys were going to be introduced but Patricia was the only one who made on screen.
 

Patricia didn’t die either she would leave London to go back to Rome and would reappear on the show in late summer 1994. 

The car explosion happened sooner that Labor Day. Based on an 8/15/93 newspaper soap recap I found it seems the the explosion happened 8/13/93 or thereabouts. 

 

Thanks!

2 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

You’re welcome!! Had to do some digging on that one but I knew Hollen came back as Patricia for sure in ‘94. I want to say she also made some appearances in ‘95 as well dealing with Kingsley-Marta business in the aftermath of Eduardo’s death but I’m not also not entirely certain about that for sure. 
 

I wonder if anyone at P&G approached her to return to GL as Trish during this period. 

Rebecca Hollen did return for HB's funeral in '97. And I think another of Josh and Reva's weddings.

21 hours ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

Didn't Roger Thorpe live in the set in the 1970s?   

That I'm not sure of. But Ben lived there before Carrie and Ross. It was hideously decorated with wood every where. 

4 hours ago, Khan said:

Whenever I think about GL, that set is one of the first things that comes to mind.  It's amazing to me how long that set survived.

Right? I can't really think of one that survived longer. 

I was going to say---that's not Blake and Ross' carriage house. It may be some carriage house, but not Ross and Blake's. Their set had been used since the early 80's in various forms. 

2 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

Edit

PJ answered it.

Soapsuds---did Pat Kingsley die in that explosion? Was that Rebecca Hollen's last appearance on ATWT?

@blueberrywaffle

1st video seems to be April 93, with Holden and Lily running through Italy. 

2nd video 8/10/93---The date the Miss Teen USA competition aired, per the commerical

3rd video with Royce's trial is mid-late September 93. Sonia Satra debuted on GL on 9/14, the CMA awards aired on Wednesday 9/29.

4th video seems to be between vids 2 and 3. It's before Royce's trial. As it ends with Andy getting caught up in the car explosion (which some better researcher should be able to date) I would guess it aired as the customary Labor Day cliffhanger.

On 1/12/2024 at 5:08 PM, Liberty City said:

Some amazing set pics:

The odd thing is, if you had not told me these were GL sets, I wouldn't have recognized a one of them. It's bizarre. But I clearly remember Ross' Carriage House, Reva Bend, the Bauer kitchen, the Spaulding mansion, Company and The Towers. Even the Springfield Country Club. The third one on the top might be gothic enough to be Quentin's Thornway Rd house, but that's the only real guess I could make.

9 hours ago, Wendy said:

 

I mention this because I'm surprised to not see Melanie Smith vs. Kelley Menighan (formerly-Hensley) as Emily on here.

Smith's version seemed like the intense sexpot, impulsive type while Menighan just seemed neurotic, losing the intensity. Not to mention the actresses did not even resemble each other whatsoever.

I was always amazed that KMH hung on to the role as long as she did. While she captured Susan's neurotic tendencies, I always found her to be much too cold, to the point of reptilian. 

9 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

Believe it or not...Reva's diva wandering around the country side in her wedding dress (with no one gawky at this big blonde bride.."Frank is that THAT SHAYNE woman??? White????") was shot in Peacock.  It is actually a lovely spot so I just think Wheeler and Co. looked for the crappiest places to shoot. I have no idea where Quint and Nola's wedding shoot was...but I love the church they used for exteriors and I think they used that in the ending shot of the opening for a bit.  

The couch clip reminded me how much funny Billy and Van were at first..I have no idea why they made her a frumpy boring wife as soon as they got married.  The opening shot also has the infamous scene of Phillip watching Mindy do yoga...urban legend is that GA was pulling his leg up as he had a hard on.

Thanks! I agree---that church is awfully charming.

18 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

If you are a woman of a certain age and status in Oakdale you WILL wear a fur coat.

Another thing common to ATWT and other soaps is that the hospital is absolutely buzzing. 

Same with the police station. There seemed to be 5 or 6 extras almost running into each other .

It is startling to see all these extras after years of seeing a bare minimum. I was watching a GL episode from the early eighties, and there were like five people stepping off the elevator with the two contract actors. Like WTF?

Hold on to Love is my clear winner. And I like the one with Nola/Vanessa in the opening. I would KILL to see the episode of Billy dumping Vanessa on that couch.

I do like the visuals of the '70's ones with the stripey lighthouse.

Question: someone must know where Guiding Light shot their outdoor scenes in the early '80's. Specifically for Nola and Quint's wedding, and Reva's walk after the non-wedding to Kyle (which, honestly, I just rewatched and is lowkey hilarious in retrospect. I didn't even remember that was when Josh returned, but knew it the moment I caught sight of Josh's leather jacket. Robert Newman must've worn that thing forEVER.)

I'm not sure it really counts, but Billy vs. Roger on GL felt like it. Roger was always got under people's skins. Especially Ross and Ed. He always knew exactly what buttons to push. And it's not that he didn't get under Billy's skin, but Billy wasn't going to be whupped. Billy nearly killing him on the docks really put some fear into ol' RogerDodger. 

8 hours ago, Khan said:

Which was pretty much when GL itself became OTT.  I'd argue, though, that the performances had to be OTT across the board because the storylines had become so unbelievable (and no, I'm not talking just about the clone either, lol).

By the way, I'm not defending all of Deas' work.  I'm more than willing to accept that he lost control of himself at some point there.  But I do believe it likely was the result of not being as happy at GL as he might have been at the start.

Well, if anything could make an actor unhappy, the crappy "Nola pushes you into a cellar and has movie fantasies for like a month" might. As brilliant as Lisa was, that story was straight up awful. Not to mention at some point, chewing scenery with Kim Zimmer.

3 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

To me that was the worst of the Dobsons - it just wasn't ATWT. That zany ,larger than life stuff was a turn off.

oh, I recall the 17th century/past life story. YUCK.

8 hours ago, SoapDope said:

I saw this photo of Actor Arthur Peterson as John Rutledge on Ebay.

SHUT. THE. FRONT. DOOR!!  I'm just now learning Jessica's father on SOAP was Rev. Rutledge???