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Look, I've made peace with JM being a part of this show 'til the bitter end. He's never been my idea of Nick Newman, but anyway here we are. I just wish TPTB would be more realistic about what he can and cannot play.
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1 hour ago, janea4old said:
Jane Elliot commits to every scene!
1 hour ago, BetterForgotten said:By far the most charismatic veteran actress on the show if you ask me.
JE is truly the last of that generation of actresses still working in soaps who gives 110% in every scene, no matter how awful the writing.
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8 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:
They seem to be chem testing Drew with everyone, today with Jordan. Not sure he’s worth this much effort…
Especially when we know that the chemistry is there between Cameron Mathison and Cynthia Watros. It's messy af, but doggone it, it works, lol.
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Now he can go back to being the Lesley Ann Warren impersonator he always was meant to be.
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55 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:
@Khan thanks for that, very interesting!
No problem!
As you can see, the majority of atypical episodes happened during the Peter S. Fischer era (1984-1991). Once he departed as showrunner, and especially after Lansbury took over production in '92, MSW became more risk-averse.
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Believe it or not, I'm actually intrigued by Carly, so I'm okay with her being the de-facto central heroine. So long as she doesn't get cloned, travel back in time through some Hobby Lobby paintings or experience psychic visions.
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3 minutes ago, Vee said:
Ohhh, yes he was.
IDK what it is about him, but he always reaches that point where he just...checks out.
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3 minutes ago, Vee said:
Welcome to the Trevor St. John Experience, everyone.
LOL!!
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Why should Nick have any occupation(s)? Again, write to JM's strengths. Let Nick Newman be that aging manchild/playboy, who still likes to bang chicks half his age and tries all the time to be an adult but just can't ever get it right, lol.
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7 minutes ago, Vee said:
Near as I can tell the only place any of these supposed 'rumors' actually come from is the mental hospital that used to be the old Daytime Dish. I haven't been there in forever but the last I checked years ago it was nothing but Jason couples stans gaslighting each other everyday that Becky or Kelly was going to get fired so the other one could be with Burton. So no, I don't particularly buy that Becky Herbst is going anywhere. It's been a long time since GH had any real insiders out there.
I agree!
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On 4/22/2024 at 6:31 PM, Paul Raven said:
Were there any MSW episodes that 'broke the mold' eg went against the formula in any way?
Definitely! I probably should list them all in a spoiler tag, though, lol. Bookend and two-hour episodes notwithstanding...
Episode 1.19 ("Murder Takes the Bus") has the rare distinction (for any mystery show, I think) of being an episode where the killer murders the victim one way to cover up the other way they murdered them. You have to see that one to believe it, lol!
Episode 1.22 ("Funeral at Fifty-Mile") has one victim, but, as it turns out, multiple culprits.
Episode 2.10 ("Sticks and Stones") reveals a semi-recurring character (won't say whom!) as the culprit, with one murder having been committed before the episode's start.
Episode 2.13 ("Trial by Error") finds Jessica serving as jury foreperson. The jury ends up exonerating the defendant, but are they truly innocent?
Episode 2.20 ("Menace, Anyone?") is perhaps the strangest episode in MSW history. The investigating detective is murdered halfway through, leaving it up to his partner (and, of course, Jessica) to finish the investigation; and rather than have the killer confess to Jessica and the detective, it's left up to another character to confess for them (with the flimsiest-sounding excuse that suggests to me that the actual confession scene was tossed and what ended up on air was a reshoot).
Episode 3.3 ("Unfinished Business")...well...let's just say there's a reason why retiring police detective Barney Kale's one, unsolved case that he's determined to solve now has been unsolved all this time.
Episode 3.8 ("Magnum on Ice") is part two of a crossover with "Magnum, P.I.," picking up where the "Magnum" episode left off.
Episode 3.12 ("The Corpse Flew First Class") features two crimes - a murder and a theft - that occur on the same flight to London. The crimes appear to be connected, but are they?
Episode 3.13 ("Crossed Up") has Jessica confined to her bed for the duration, due to a muscle sprain or some such. Sort of an homage to "Sorry, Wrong Number."
Episode 3.14 ("Murder in a Minor Key") ended up being a sort of test run for the bookend episodes, with Jessica narrating her latest novel to the folks at home.
Episode 3.21 ("The Days Dwindle Down") is a quasi-sequel to the 1949 film noir "Strange Bargain." Jeffrey Lynn, Harry Morgan and Martha Scott all reprised their roles from the movie, but the original film's ending was changed in order to service the MSW plot.
Episode 4.5 ("The Way to Dusty Death"), an obvious homage to "MacBeth," includes a married couple who essentially get away with attempted murder.
Episode 4.6 ("It Runs in the Family") does not feature Jessica at all. Instead, it's up to her identical British cousin, Emma McGill, also played by Lansbury, to get to the bottom of things.
Episode 4.9 ("Trouble in Eden") has Jessica going undercover as a madam. (Yep, you read that right, lol.)
Episode 4.19 ("Just Another Fish Story") has a culprit who would become a semi-recurring character. (Although, I really wish they hadn't, lol).
Episode 5.1 ("J.B. as in Jailbird") is pretty self-explanatory - but, basically, she has to solve the mystery from behind bars.
Episodes 5.7 ("The Last Flight of the Dixie Damsel") and 5.8 ("Prediction: Murder") both feature an uncredited Dale Robertson as Frank Fletcher's old military buddy, Lee Goddard; aside from his appearances, however, the plots are unrelated.
Episode 5.15 ("Alma Murder") begins with the actual murder - or, rather, its' immediate aftermath, with one character doing their best to clean up the crime scene before the police arrive. Jessica is brought into the investigation only after the fact. (And no, it's not an open-ended mystery either).
Episode 5.16 ("Truck Stop") features an extended flashback sequence, narrated by Jessica's friend in a recording they made before their death, with music and cinematography very reminiscent of 1940's melodramas.
Episode 6.4 ("The Error of Her Ways") begins the way most other MSW episodes end, with Jessica and the investigating detective confronting the culprit. Marian Randall gives the performance of her life, however, as she screams to the heavens above that she did not murder her husband, Clark. Then, Marian herself turns up dead, and that's when things get REALLY interesting, lol.
Episode 7.1 ("Trials and Tribulations") begins with a car chase (a rare occurrence for non-violent MSW) and ends with a very unexpected twist. (Episode 8.17 ("To the Last Will I Grapple With Thee") ends in a similar, but (IMO) more ingenious fashion).
Episode 7.4 ("Hannigan's Wake") is an episode centered around a murder that occurred many years before, and features (IMO) one of the most devastating conclusions in their entire run.
Episode 7.7 ("The Return of Preston Giles") is hard to talk about without giving away some of the plot, but it's the first time Jessica encounters someone she helped put away in an earlier episode (in the series pilot, to be more specific) and it's also the only incidence I can think of offhand where Jessica herself does not explain "how they did it" and why.
Episode 7.14 ("Who Killed J.B. Fletcher?") has Jessica, with help from members of a local chapter of her fan club, solve not one, not two, but THREE related murders. (I'm not sure, but I think that was a record for the show, lol.)
Episode 7.21 ("Tainted Lady") is, in many respects, a standard MSW episode, but the twist here is that the main suspect is a woman whom Jessica had cleared years before in another, unrelated murder investigation.
Episode 8.13 ("Incident in Lot 7") would be a routine "J.B. in La La Land" episode, except that it includes several references to the movie "Psycho," including a cameo from "Alfred Hitchcock" himself.
Episode 9.9 ("A Christmas Secret") includes a victim who, for the first and only time in MSW history, survives their attack. (Ah, the magic of Christmas, lol).
Episode 9.13 ("Dead Eye") involves the real-life JFK assassination, although they're very careful not to rewrite history or offer baseless theories.
Episode 9.15 ("The Petrified Florist") has a twist ending that's either really clever or a total cheat, depending on how one looks at it.
Episodes 11.17 ("Murder a la Mode") and 11.19 ("School for Murder") do away with the "Tonight on 'Murder, She Wrote'..." and give us cold opens instead.
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Just now, BoldRestless said:
So male stripper? Haha.
Ladies and gentlemen, you've heard of "Magic Mike"? Well, now, feast your eyes on "Nick the Stick," lol!
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3 minutes ago, Faulkner said:
I would love to know what people would do with Nick if they had the power. Fire JM and recast with a more versatile actor who’d be credible as a father to Noah and Summer? Stick him back with Sharon and play him in “Dad to the rescue” stories, maybe with Faith back full time? Drug addiction/traumatic brain injury? Career change? Lean into JM’s fratbro goofiness with more comedic stories? Or just ditch the character entirely or send him away for a while because he’s just not that interesting?
I wouldn't necessarily do anything different or drastic with Nick, but I would have others in Nick's life gradually realize what we have known for years: that Nick, as played by JM, is, at best, a manchild; an "overgrown frat boy" who's never gonna be the sort of solid, mature businessman and patriarch that his father is/was, but who nevertheless has qualities that others respect and even admire.
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10 minutes ago, MissPhoenixGirl92 said:
And also if Drew is going to turn completely dark anyway, it would also be a lot more interesting if he ends up having an affair with Willow and he and Willow conspired to make Nina's life an utter living hell.
Who's to say this - meaning, the recent romp w/ Nina after months of enmity between them, the possible hooking up with Willow down the road, etc. - isn't all part of Drew's master plan (conceived while imprisoned, perhaps?) to get even with Nina for turning him and Carly into the SEC?
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39 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:
No harder to believe then Cabot Cove being the murder capital of New England.. and people still opted to visit or move there LOL
I always love how townspeople like Seth complain about tourists and newcomers "invading" CC. It's like, "Well, maybe if you told more outsiders about all the murders that occur in town, they wouldn't be so inclined to visit or move there, lol!"
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6 minutes ago, Taoboi said:
Oh? What would you have had in mind if you don't mind me asking.
Pretty much what's happening now with him and Tracy, or with him and Alexis, only without the cloud of ALS and its' inevitable conclusion hanging over everything.
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5 minutes ago, Vee said:
Again: I think if he'd come on an active, vital and scheming mover and shaker like other characters Harrison played in his glory days you might have seen something really interesting happen with Tracy, as opposed to the somewhat elegant, understated appeal they have despite a bum story. But they didn't do that.
That's what I mean. In the beginning, I thought Gregory Harrison was a great addition to the cast and that Gregory Chase was a character with potential, but once he was diagnosed with incurable ALS, that was pretty much the ballgame.
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Just now, Vee said:
I suspect we'll probably only get dead
Thomas JeffersonGregory out of the wedding, but I will settle for several more exits/firings according to whatever madness hopefully goes down during sweeps.It's gonna be sad to see Gonzo gone, especially when I think of all that might have been.
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6 minutes ago, Vee said:
Maybe finally seduce T.J. into going along with it (or someone else, T.J. and Molly need to finally go away for years).
I say, why not Drew? He's bound to get his fill of living in brother Jason's shadow at some point!
4 minutes ago, Taoboi said:hahahahaha
I can't believe so many of us are seriously hoping the wedding will end like this:
(Oh, and look! There's OG Rick Webber, as one of the gunmen! So maybe it will end like this, lol!)
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1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:
Personally I understood why Jessica would have more then one residence... but I would have had her in LA instead of NYC since her books were starting to be adapted to movies/tv...
That's an interesting idea, @Soaplovers, but I think the show's overall tone would have changed even more than it actually did when she acquired the NYC apartment. Sort of like when "Diagnosis: Murder" shifted locales (from Denver to L.A.) between seasons with no on-screen explanation. When they moved to L.A., the show itself became campier and harder to believe.
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1 minute ago, Vee said:
It would be interesting if Willow's new whole focus in life (charity, etc., 'the new Lila') leads her to becoming a cancer-faking, high society bitch who enjoys the good life and becomes even more of a terror than Nina ever was.
Fixed?
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4 minutes ago, Vee said:
It's what's on his head and we all know it! Looks like he did it himself! I haven't seen a mullet like that since Nancy McKeon on The Facts of Life.
Believe me, @Vee, I get where you're coming from. But he's a teenager. (He is a teenager, right?) Teenagers make questionable choices with their hair, clothes and makeup all the time.
(I just hope Tobias finds it adorkable.)
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1 hour ago, carolineg said:
Yeah, I have no problem with Lois working for Deception, but she seems quite fulfilled with her career. I'd rather her and Brook Lynn figure out something in the music business they can do together.
Too bad the "age of MTV" has passed. Otherwise, I could see Tracy buying Home & Heart(h) as a sort of wedding present for BLQ, and then BLQ and Lois revamping it into a music channel.
1 hour ago, Vee said:Non-actor Aiden and his Easy-Bake 'fro are not story-ready!
Jesus Christ, lol.
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2 hours ago, All My Shadows said:
I’m home sick from work, and I’m just imagining a new soap coming on at this precise moment. I need this to be a hit!
Here, here! And get well soon!
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GH: April 2024 Discussion Thread
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Posted · Edited by Khan
Don't get me wrong, I like Maura West and Finola Hughes, but...trying to lump them with JE, Beverlee McKinsey, Elizabeth Hubbard, Susan Flannery, Erika Slezak, Robin Strasser.... No.