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Why was there such a long gap between the time Ceara died and the time Laura returned to GH? And when did Genie leave AMC? Did she just sit on the ABC payroll for a year waiting to work again?

I often felt like her heart wasn't quite in her GH work when she returned. Was she better as Ceara?

It was much better--her incest story was front burner when I started watching, and although I was young she became quickly a fave of mine.

Agnes Nixon's website has some original advertising for Loving--butI can't make the picture big enough to clearly read! Can anyone help? http://www.agnesnixon.com/photos/other-soaps/loving-two.php

http://www.agnesnixon.com/about/ also mentions Agnes being very proud of her supernatural storyline with the guy sellling his soul to the devil on Loving

Loving was my fave show off and on back then and as an AMC fan and a big fan of Ceara (I didn't even knwo back then who Genie F was) I foudn it insulting how she made her exit--with a double, etc

What role did Myrtle have on Loving?

Cesar Faison appeared on Loving several years after being "killed" on GH. He kidnapped Ava and I think they went to Disneyworld or something.

Universal Florida (King Kong kidnapped Ava). It was before ABC was owned by Disney

Cearanever had a contract role on Loving--she was on briefly in 91 (when her and Jeremy went to Corinth to work on their marriage)then the following year when Jeremy made the movie Ceara was shot justr before she could (cuz ABC wanted the actress on GH)

yep! I guess he looked like a gay porn star but

dc I find your thoughts on this fascinating--i know some of it is speculation but I expect you're more right than wrong. I do think many fot he changes in direction early on were because of pressure to make the show a hit--Agnes as wonderful as she is isn't beneath feelign that pressure and changing things due to it or giving in to some network interference. However I think her period right after Marland left was fairly brief--but I cna't be sure but it seems her name was out of the writing credits fairly soon. Still I think under her the show was better than not (I agree with her second tenure later dropping the Cradle foudnation story when she left was a mistake0> i think you're right that stories, actors, characters, everything had too quick turnaround but again this was probably partly due to ABC getting upset that ratings remained so low. And yeah I think Agnes playe d apart with the Coop story etc (which started off SOO strong and then was sorta ditched... the story of Loving's life sadly)

Of course much like AMC until the mid/late 90s I have no doubt Agnes kept SOME contact with Loving throughout its time (unlike One Life which she seemed to leave pretty much completely when she helped Russell replace her)

And your views on Wakefields influence are pretty astute (and I think you're right with all these collaborators they just found working together hard--there doesn't seem to be any respect lost between them). However I do see a LOT of very early AMC (which, Phoebe aside for the first coupel of eyars wasn't quite as "colourful character" based as it became) in the first two years of Loving.

"Having a former prostitute learn the child she gave up for adoption was the star of kiddie porn certainly wasn't going to bring in the viewers"

I have NEVER even heard of this story before! lol what year? What happened? sounds like it owulda been kinda shocking--Agnes liked to deal with issues but it is a bit exploitive too.

I don't think Trucker was gay. I'm 99% sure he married one of the Dinah Lees in real life.

I'm utterly confused are you replying to one of my confusing rambles above? Cuz yeah I think he married the "main" Dinah Lee (the one who was on... Dirty Sexy Money? Some show recently) in real life and never ever meant to imply he was gay.

Hwo could you NOT knwo Ryan Murphy is gay? Look at th eshows he does--Glee is just overflowing with a queer sensibility The gay sensibility might turn people off like you said but... We'll see--if it does then it's their fault. Nip/Tuck has been a hit despite that (but I guess all the breasts and other shocking elements keep anyone scared by that watching)

Victoria is on Vancouver Island, but Vancouver is on the mainland. It's confusing We're more a tourist city but peopel do grow up here (I went to junior high--not the school Cory went to--with Nelly Furtado who was a [!@#$%^&*] and I have a lot of stories about). Cory like I said was only there one year or so, was kind aquiet, chubby, and nice and was in the chorus of a musical I was in. I don't have any gossip sadly (apparantly in a recent interview he said he hated high school so ther ya go )

Again I was 12-14 so as an adult I prob wouldn't agree maybe but at the time I LOVED all the Dante stuff even if it was cut short because of the race controversy (Dante being a middle east character or something). I also loved all the yougn set at the time--I even remember kinda liking Trucker's loser father comign to town (Trucker has got to be one of the most handsome--in a totally cliche romance novel way--soap characters I know even if he wasn't a great actor--I guess it's not a big shock he seems to have done NOTHING post Loving but him and Trisha were a fave of mine)

I also really liekd Hannah especially with Cooper. Oh well (I have none of this saved so can't really reinvestigate)

However I think you're dead on that a lot of the storytelling was made up for by the actors and the chemisty of the actors (it was too bad the cast of Loving got next to no credit as they were usually quite strong it seems to me) The day to day dialogue also seemed pretty strong

Gilbert, Jeremy's evil twin, was Agnes? it's always funny to me when agnes does such cliche soap storylines but of course a part of her seems to enjoy some of the more over the top stuff (she did the 80s Loving story with the villain who turned into a snake and was implied to have ties to Satan or whatever).

Was Egypt and Alex under Nixon? Egypt seemed to be such a revamp of the old original Lyman Opal on AMC--but I did love her.

(I posted on RATS when City happened--still as a teenager and I remember the general consensus was the last 6 months were very good--jsut as the show was getting canceled). It's funny Agnes Nixon was given co creator credit on City and listed as creative consultant yet in that youtube LONG TV archive interview with her she seems to say she had ZERO connection to the city and was surprised by the question lol.

Loving did have a weird beginning--originally it was a creation between Agnes and novelist Dan Wakefield (who wrote the awesome All Her Children and was a huge fan--also did the teen drama in the 70s James at 15, apparantly a huge influence on Dawson's Creek) with co creation credit but they seemd to have different views or something as by the time it started Marland was HW and had co creator credit (even if the basic setup was very much 1970s AMC with a bit of Marland influence in the Donovan family). I've seen two eps from during hisrun as well as the pilot movie (which was a tv movie and had actors and character snot in the show--oddly) and I found it very strong--jsut as day to day soap anyway. What confuse sme is why Marland's name was removed from create dby when he left--Agnes Nixon has always it seems had great things to say about him so I don't think it was a fight.

Much of the problems stems from ABC I think whow anted higher ratings faster (typical). They also squashed some of their key stories--there was to be a TV first in an incest abuse storyline which at the last minute was dropped I believe because ABC wanted to have their upcomign tv movie get to be advertised as the first time TV had dealt with the issue...

I still think that Brown/Esensten for the most part did a good job with the final year, and did a great job with The City once it found its placing (it was idiotic to, after the Loving Murders, suddenly jump into a similar serial killer story on the new show)

Gayface? Definitely cute. Vancouver native, sings and dances and is a jock who plays Guitar Hero. Cory Monteith.

AHEM *Victoria* native (raised here, born in Canada).

I was just gonna post about this so here's my original post but I mention him in the last paragraph

This was just a preview--the series starts in late Sep (odd I know)

I liked it a lot. I think it's the kinda show people will love, or hate (it's so stylized, etc). Ryan Murphy is the (uber gay) creator/head writer and I have mixed feelings about him--Popular was a nice satire on the typical teen drama and I loved it in the end, I loved Nip/Tuck at first (he was hired by F/X to make a "more outrageous" show similar to Six Feet Under and it was at first) but I lost interest the past few years--they just throw too much into it at the sacrifice of characterization or any cohesive plot. And his adaptation fo Running with Scissors was, I thought, awful but...

But yeah this was good and in many ways a return to Popular but with musical theatre thrown in--and I love that they cast so many real Broadway talents like Matt Morrison and umm the girl from Spring Awakening--instead of hollywood actors who could kinda sing.

Very strangely the jock character is played a by a guy I went to school with her ein Victoria, BC--he was a grade under me and always really nice but shy and a bit chubby--he was in the chorus of a musical I was in but never really hung out with any of the theatre people and I think he went to private school the following year. I didn't even know he persued acting (his bio says he was a cabbie in Victoria when he wa 19-20) but apparantly he was first discovered in Van by Don DeCoteau the homoerotic direct to DVD horror movie director (he's in all three Brotherhood movies, Beastly Boyz, etc). Anyway I hope this is a hit for him.

Guza wrote for Loving? Did he suck there too?

he co wrote with Millee Taggert (who had co written with Tom King the show in the late 90s) and I loved it at the time--but I give Taggert most credit. I also loved when Addie Walsh wrote--under both the original university setting was prominent again and the show really felt like 1970s old school AMC before all the Big Bussiness' had moved in. Of course after Addie, Agnes Nixon returned for most of 1994 and that year was almost all fantastic (even with a few crazy stories she did like "Curtis/pet" being locke din a cage by Dante etc).

dc is right with what is said about the probs with the short writing and producer terms in the 90s (well throughout the show's history really) but at the time I admit I loved most of it. So my memories are diff.

I have some Loving (mainly the murders) and every episode of the last four months of The City (when it really found its footing--funny at the time it had already been canceled yet was the only ABC soap to see its ratings steadily RISE) on video and have always planned to digitize them and put them all up on youtube--I need to get my act together

Myrtle knew Dinah Lee's family or something like that, it was during that Carter Jones stuff. I never knew facison came to Corinth. They should mention Corinth now and then on both soaps or have someone from Corinth show up on one of the soaps.

Faison came around... 1994? It was a chase caper when jeremy was with Ava and they went to Universal Studios Florida, etc--pretty silly actually.

I became a Loving fan as a 12 year old because of the EPIC Carter Jones AMC crossover--which was the ebst soap crossover I've ever seen and made me a Loving fan (I actually had never even HEARD of Loving before though I had watched AMC and sometimes OLTL for 2 years prior, that's how littl epromo it got). I wish I ahd it on tape or it would pop up on youtube. Myrtle came back for I think Dinah Lee's wedding (or Hannah's?) but yeah they stayed at her boarding house and we found out Dinah Lee had a history with Carter who was tormenting first his ex the DA on AMC (I forget her name lol--Galen?) and then moved on to blind nuNatalie. Trevor and crew tracke dhim down to loving and were on the show for a week (there was a cute meetign between Trrevor and his wife in real life where they said "I dunno how anyone could stand being married to them) . Jeremy moved there shortly after.

Isn't this the one where someone's cancer was cured by a holy light? :S

Nelson or one of the current soap scribes called Pam Long one of the GREATS--only having watched her AWFUL run at OLTL I'm left dumbfounded.

Thanks for those!!

Well and of course Max Martin, the svengali behind most of Britney's early hit sincluding One More Time (not to mention Ace of Bass, Backstreet, NSYNC, etc) and now doing more rock pop ever since his string of hits for Kelly CLarkson just had another number one--with So What for Pink (coming after their collaboration of U and Ur Hand...)

CCT if you have time--Iv'e been slowly making my way thru them--that yotuube poster has TONS of eps from April thru July of 83 with much of that story)

There's an all too brief, but interesting Yearbook style ad for Loving's TV Pilot movie and premier week at the 6 minute mark of this fun 1983 ep of AMC on Youtube

Amy P is co-HW till she leaves when she has her baby--according to Ent Weekly tho the credits only list Seth. Tina of course writes the skits she's in which explains the big jump.

I thought the weekend update was really poor--tho I assume having Sarah Palin bobbing her head to a rap was the most innocuous thing they could do that she agreed to. And yeah nothing else stood out except I stand by thinkign Kristen was brilliant as Suze O--but that may just be a personal thing I felt bad for Brolin, an actor I like, because with Palin having a cameo, Baldwin havign a cameo, and Mark Wahlber spoofing his own complaint only a few days before about that sketch last week, Brolin was left with basically nothing to do

Did they stay steady tho? Ent Weekly mentioned how the drop off after the first (nearly always political) skit has been far sharper than ever before for the show--dropping over 70% sometimes by the end. I have to admit we watched the first half or so at a party I was at on Saturday--but after Weekend Update no one wanted to continue watching and we turned it off (Kristen's impersonation of Suze O was, however, *brilliant* and not just cuz I had already had several drinks by then...)

Interesting that none of those people were hired--and that I don't remember Laurie McCarthy writing at all

I *LOVE* Pausini! I just can't listen to Celine though I admit I find her goofiness oddly endearing... (and I do own a few dance remix singles that remind me of clubbing in Montreal... *shh*)

Surely this is just being exagerated by the UK press--considering Hollyoaks airs at what like 5--and nearly every other UK soap has had gay kissing now--and EastEnders is known as one of the grittier ones...

The BBC has been flooded with 145 complaints after screening a gay kiss on EastEnders before the 9pm watershed.

The 'offensive' scenes were screened on Tuesday's episode of the soap and showed Christian Clarke (John Partridge, 36) and Lee Thompson (Carl Ferguson, 27) engage in a passionate kiss. In a statement the BBC defended itself by saying it was down to parents to decide whether the content of the show was suitable for children to watch.

But some viewers were left deeply unimpressed.

One viewer wrote on the BBC’s Points Of View internet messageboard: 'I am appalled by the display of homosexual kissing before the watershed shown on EastEnders.

'This is disgraceful whilst young children are watching and sets the wrong example.'

Another, Pat, wrote: 'I had to explain to my seven-year-old son what was happening.

'He now thinks he is gay because he kisses his dad.'

And another angry fan added: 'I think pre-watershed standards have been irresponsibly lowered in recent years.'

Tuesday night's scenes saw Christian and Lee caught in the act by busybody Dot Cotton as they kisses on Arthur Fowler's memorial bench.

She tells them that she is as liberal as the next person, but does not approve of canoodling in public places.

The latest outrage comes 21 years after EastEnders screened the first gay kiss in a British soap.

Back then, Colin Russell – played by Michael Cashman, 57, who is now a Labour MEP – gave Barry Clark (Gary Hailes, 42) a kiss on the forehead.

The move resulted in a record number of complaints and there were even questions asked in Parliament about whether the scene was appropriate.

In a statement the BBC confirmed it had received complaints - but refused to say how many.

The statement read: 'We approach our portrayal of homosexual relationships in the same way as we do heterosexual relationships.

'We believe that the general tone and content of EastEnders is now widely recognised.

'Parents can make an informed decision as to whether they want their children to watch.'

Building back up the campus was *really* smart I think--this was aroudn when I got into the show (with the AMC Carter Jones crossover--I wish some of that was on youtube) and as a yougn teen I admit it appealed to me and seemed different from AMC with its campus focus (though soon OLTL would--for a while--build up their campus too.

You guys are making me wanna buy all the DVD sets... Hrmm I wonder if there's anyway cheap. I have like 5 of the old video tapes from the 80s that I bought used in Jr High....

Adam and Eve oddly, sounds a lot more like the kinda story that Strange Paradise was doing--you knwo the cheapo Dark Shadows rip off with a Dr Moreau/Sci Fi bent filmed here in Canada that Harding Lemay (!) wrote for. I saw two months of it when we got Drive In Classics, a Canadian cable station, for free and I admit, while it had NONE of the atmosphere of DS, in its own campy way I found it a lot of fun and not as awful as many soap books (none of which seem to have seen it) did.

I've only seen a few dozen episodes (well prob close to 60) but always intended to get all those DVDs and make myw ay thru... I don't remember hearing about an Adam and Eve story--what was that?