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14 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

@adrnyc I actually do think that Meg cared for Tonio, I think she got sick of his oppressive nature that sprung from his unabashed machismo. 

 

Think about it: Meg left the farm, that she believed was oppressing her with arbitrary rules (getting up with the cows to milk them was never for Meg) that she felt were a part of always being regarded as the youngest and living on her family farm. 

She eventually finds a measure of freedom at Lyla's.  At Memorial, she is one of the top students in the nursing program.  She has more confidence in herself than she ever had as the teenage girl who had once only been known as a farmer's daughter.

In Tonio, she saw what she wanted to see: a misunderstood, scorned revolutionary that was passionate about his country.  A man who was supposedly evolving.  Meg was convinced that Tonio's terrible marriage to Sierra was only because Sierra love Craig and Tonio held onto a childhood dream of a life with Sierra for too long. Also, Meg enjoyed the thrill of keeping a secret of seeing Tonio before his divorce was finalized.  She also saw Tonio as being 'on the come up', someone she could have the life of privilege with (the way she once daydreamed about with Dusty, 'The Harvard Grad' but with more passion and in a more experienced, mysterious man.  And all those "bad" habits (Tonio's obvious chauvinism)...she was willing to over look them, if she could get most of what she wanted. Besides, Tonio was still knew to the country and she would "love" him out of that way of thinking.

 

I do think Meg was determined that she would not be 'thrown away' by Tonio (she was aware of his womanizing) and wanted to ensure that Tonio wouldn't abandon her.  She was not going to get taken advantage of and sought to bind her and Tonio together the only way she knew how--by become a partner in every way.  Tonio frowned on this, viewing it as Meg being cold and businesslike but I don't think that is what Meg intended at all.  She believed that if Meg was tied to and part and parcel of everything (including the business) that it would forge an even stronger relationship between them.  Pretty naive, yes but I think she was sincere in wanting to be his equal partner in every aspect of their lives together and she knew how passionate he was about the business and she wanted to be a part of that.  Ironically, her involvement in the business eventually helped drive a solid wedge between them (that and, well, I don't want to spoil the rest for you

 

I do believe though, that in her way, Meg did love him and thought she could change him ("the love of a good woman" and all that...).

 

It's a shame that you missed so many key episodes and you don't have that memory to recall. There's actually quite a bit missing from You Tube. I wish I could see some of those episodes again but at least I have memory of rushing home from school to see certain storylines and also watching VHS tapes (before they got taped over, etc) of what had been recorded that day.

There's nothing like being there in the time period watching it all unfold.

 

I posted a 40th anniversary clip about a page back and watching it, I realized how many little snippets of scenes I hadn't seen since they first aired because they've never been posted on YT.  

 

Getting fond of certain characters/couples is all about the day to day and when you're missing so much, you can't really expect to get an attachment out of thin air.  It's too bad really. 

I'm not sure if a lot of what you've mentioned has happened yet. Meg is not a partner in Tonio's business that I'm aware of. It could have happened and I just missed the episodes though. He is on his way to Rome right now to do business with Visconti and he asked Meg to go with him - she broke the news to the family that the two of them will not travel to Chicago with the rest of the Snyders for Sabrina's art show.  Tonio is not talking to Meg as if she is a business partner, just like a wife who wants to take a free trip to Rome. 

I mentioned in my post, that it *looks* like Meg is maybe finally starting to care for Tonio and him in return. They're flirting with each other slightly and teasing each other. It's fun to see them start to take their relationship - which was based on a business agreement of Tonio staying in the country and Meg making him sign a pre-nump taking care of her own interests in life, namely having a lot of material goods - seriously

It will be interesting to watch these two continue. And yes, not being able to see every episode definitely hurts my ability to relate to couples. If I can't actually see the build up with the characters, it's difficult to become emotionally involved.    Lucinda/John    Shannon/Duncan   Lisa/Earl   Those are the couples to whom I had no original attachment from the '00s but I've been able to fall in love with due to their episodes being available.   If only I could see every single episode of ATWT.  Maybe someday......you never know. I never would've thought there be over 5,000 available to view so who knows!

10 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

Laura!!!!

 

AAAAAAAACK!!!!!

 

How I loathed that character. And not even in a fun, I love-to-hate-her way, either. I just loathed Laura and wanted her off the show.

 

Just wait, you'll see.

HAHA!!  Yeah...I can already tell I'm not going to be a fan of hers. I'm hoping she won't be on too long, or that many of her episodes will be missing. The 40th anniversary book only has her listed as being on in 1988 so I'm hoping for a short story. I also know that I'm going into the dreaded 1988 writer's strike.......

Ok, I’ll try to make this quick. Sorry for what will, most likely, be a TL:DR situation but I have nowhere else to share my thoughts on ATWT. I’ve finished 1987 for the first time (celebrated Christmas with everybody - they all sang around the piano this year) and have moved onto ’88. I just haven't had a moment to sit down and collect my 1987 thoughts.

1987 The Highlights:
John & Lucinda - Yes, please. I could watch them all day. What is there to say? They’re marvelous. I knew the pairing was coming and I just didn’t think it would work for me but it sure has!
Lily/Everyone - I haven’t seen all of soapdom. (I’ve seen a lot.) But I think, arguably, there’s never been a better reveal than “Let go of her. Let go of her she’s your BABY!!!” I just had to relive it in my head as I typed that - insane good TV. I don’t know how everyone else feels about the Summer Repertory Season with Mrs. Gilmore (Love me some Kelly Bishop) but I enjoyed it. Lily and Holden got away for a summer. We had a cute little Pollyanna type story. It worked for me. Lily had to grow up somehow and being on her own for a summer seemed to do it. She now wears lots of make up and has big hair. 
James Stenbeck - great storyline. I missed out on some of the intricacies of it - especially with what involved Duncan and anything at the castle but the murder set up was great. I honestly don’t know who shot him and can’t figure it out - it could be anyone. Of course, I know he’s not dead so some of the details, like he was shot in the back of the head - really? how do we explain this one? I mean, do they just retroactively (don’t tell me) make it Costello who got shot and James escaped? They’ve said the dental records of the dead body are James’……Anyway, my money is on Emily - there’s something in the actress’ performance that says she’s dangerous. I believe she’d kill someone Oh, but the TRIAL….why did they put reverb on the actors voices when they were giving testimony on opening/closing statements? Super weird. 1987

1987 The Low Points: 
The Sabrina Reveal & Frannie/Seth/Sabrina - Most of this is missing from YT (at least from what I could find) The episodes do exist where they save Sabrina in the church but I didn’t get to see all of the buildup. Also, the episodes I saw (I think there were 120 or so of the year) didn’t really have the Frannie/Seth/Sabrina triangle storyline. Once again though, they had the big moment of Seth sleeping with the wrong sister. I just didn’t get the build up to it. So I wasn’t emotionally involved in the story. Frannie seems to have moved to Boston and I frankly couldn’t care less.

The Inbetween:
Craig/Sierra/Tonio - I’ve been vocal in the past about the fact that I have no love for this version of Craig and Sierra BUT I warmed to them by the end. I actually feel as if Craig is still on the show because they talk about him all the time. 
Steve/Betsy - I can’t believe all the stuff that happened this year! Steve leaving - good riddance. I get what a part of the canvas he was, though. Betsy hasn’t has had a lot to do other than grieving Steve and grieving Craig. 
Meg/Tonio - another couple I’ve warmed to over the months. Neither of them really care for each other and they both know it. Although, that seems to be changing these days maybe?
Lily/Holden/Dusty/Emily - yeah, it’s a little contrived but only a little. For a soap, I’ll take it. Holden is lashing out - he’s frickin’ howling Lily’s name like a wolf (a tad too much) - watching him team up with Tonio and vowing revenge on Lucinda is genius. Bring on 1988! Love this Emily - I’m assuming she loses the child - unless there’s a forgotten baby that never got mentioned post 2000. (It could happen)  I feel like I’m cheating on Lily & Holden by saying this but I think I may prefer Lily & Dusty. 
Lyla/Casey - Don’t nobody take my Lyla & Casey away from me. I love these two. So happy to see them wed! 

I was super sad to see Earl go. My delightful Shannon O’Hara seems to be stuck in that castle. Now, there’s a ghost mystery story I’m sure many will remember. Oh, and Beatrice is having a baby which has Duncan concerned because of the curse. 

So many characters, I know I’m forgetting some. Kim’s talk show - super 80s. Andy drinking. Meh. I’ve never been a fan of Andy’s. I only saw his last year though so there’s just no attachment to him. That may change. Pam? Who the heck is this chick and why is she hanging around so long?

Ok…I’m off to 1988 land. Bob just stopped someone from being raped! I can't believe I can't come up with her name 'cause they've said it at least 5 times. Laura Simmons? Pam is making friends with the alleged rapist. 

Thanks for reading this far! I love As The World Turns!!!!

Oof? What's he teaching? How To Destroy A Soap Opera 101?

2 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

 

You're welcome!! You can see him getting up to accept his award towards the end of this clip (at about the 4:15 mark):

 

Great clip fest!! So fun to see everyone

@amybrickwallace  Wow! I didn't know that. Thanks for the info! I'll have to poke around YT sometime and see if I can explore Loving a bit more. 

3 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

1987 is really good.

:-)  I hope a lot exists on YouTube. I'm on my last year of the SoapNet run - 1981 Next year, I'll do more serious looking into what else exists on YT. I've seen that there's some; I just don't know if it's enough to piece together the story well.

Oh, IK - she certainly has her own acting style, doesn't she? I'm not very up on Loving as a soap although I certainly remember it being around and on in the background. Interesting to see Anthony Herrera playing a seeming version of James Stenbeck. And Bernard Barrow?! It's good to know that he had some work after Ryan's Hope. I thought Johnny Ryan was his only soap role.

44 minutes ago, j swift said:

Can we discuss the Jason Frame murder for a second?  In my opinion, it was another great idea that was poorly executed.

 

This is all from memory so please feel free to fill in the gaps.  However, the murder in the hall of mirrors feels like a GL ripoff.  The introduction of a Michael/Iris backstory is an unnecessary red herring.  Finally, the Nicole reveal comes out of nowhere.  As an audience, I recall that we knew that Nicole was guilty a few days before the reveal but there was no prior groundwork that would have marked Nicole as the culprit.  I love a surprise reveal but I think it has to be earned and in this case it felt random.

 

Nicole Love is a missed opportunity of a character.  In her first iteration as a drug addicted model she could have been an excellent counterpart for Vicky Hudson; old money promiscuity vs new money hussy.  I would have liked to see the Reginald/Mary reveal through Nicole's eyes as she was the youngest Love sibling.  Philece Sampler may have also been a better Nicole than a Donna recast.   

I just watched the entire storyline last fall and I have to say that the Nicole reveal does not come out of nowhere. First of all, she is all over Jason in the weeks leading up to the murder. He terrorizes her over the fact that he killed their mother. Also, he had been attacking Cass, and Nicole had been begging Jason to leave Cass alone. I had watched the murder storyline as a kid and, during this re-watch, I thought to myself "How on earth did I, and other people, not see that Nicole killed him. It's clear as day!!"

After the murder, she is always crying, and begging Cass to help Felicia so she doesn't go to jail. Her guilty feelings are just so obvious, it's ridiculous. It's like that movie The Sixth Sense - when you know the twist, it seems so obvious during a re-watch that you assume other people are going to figure it out immediately. The only thing was...the writers were holding out so many other attractive carrots - Iris, Vicky, Jake, John, Sharlene - that the audience was too busy being distracted to notice the way Nicole was behaving. 

It really holds up as one of the best murder mysteries ever done on a soap opera. The reveal is so brutal and the actors provide gut-wrenching work in the scenes where Cass confronts Nicole. 

Wow! I can't wait to get to 1987!!!  

It's interesting to read everyone's reactions to Swajeski's time on the show. As I said, I grew up watching Another World 1987-1994(ish)  My entire family watched the show, and then pretty much the entire theater department in college watched it once I got there and introduced them to it. We all LOVED it and were obsessed with it. It has clearly been a LONG time since the show aired and I'm only going off of my memories right now.

As I'm only about 6 months into her time on my re-watch (June 1989), I've only really seen the re-introduction of Iris, the Jason Frame murder mystery, and now I'm slowly making my way through Mac's death. (It's difficult for me to get through as it is hitting me as much as when I was in high school. I can only cry so much before I take a few weeks off.)  I'll be interested to see if my feelings for Swajeski's time remain as positive now.

Many thanks to everyone who taped the Soapnet run and took the time to upload the episodes to the internet. It's wonderful to enjoy daily soap operas again!

8 hours ago, DRW50 said:

 

Swajeski's AW wasn't revered.

Speak for yourself. I was one of the many people I knew who watched AW during Swajeski's time and LOVED the show. 

8 hours ago, cassadine1991 said:

I meant viewed in a better light

Exactly! I had no idea people didn't like Swajeski's tenure on AW until I came on this board. Everyone I know speaks of that time with glee, appreciation, and so much love. 

Just got to Episode 1431 (I'm behind for the week. It's only Friday and I'm just now watching Monday's episode!)

Siobhan has returned! I liked her immediately. From this one episode only, she seems to be a decent actress. She and Jack already look as if they want to rush into each other's arms. 

Also, Senaca is beginning to discover just how much of a liar and manipulator his little Kimberly is. Can't wait to see the Rae/Michael/Senaca/Kimberly fall out that is sure to come in time for sweeps month!  

14 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

 

Thank you for the insight. I know nothing about any of how commercial payments work, so thank you for letting us know. 😎

You're welcome. Now you know why many soap stars did so many commercials. Neither soap work NOR commercials is fantastic pay so you're always looking for more! 

5 hours ago, watson71 said:

 

Barrett also played Jacqui McCormick on the P&G soap The Catlins that aired on TBS from 1983-1985.  The Catlins was produced by Joe Rothenberger who produced both Another World and As the World Turns.

 

 

That was fun to watch - thanks for sharing! Now that I've seen that, I have a super vague memory of this show at the time. It makes me wonder if I caught any of it or tried it out. I usually tried to watch any new soap opera to see if I liked it. Also, of note, Tonio from ATWT is sitting right next to AB!

10 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

They were probably set for life after making all those commercials.

If only!  Alas, for commercials, we actors get paid a lump sum for the commercial followed by a period of time when the commercial is in use (8 weeks/6 months/1 year) but after that....bupkis.  It's usually a decent sum at the start though depending on the contract.

OMG - What is Frankie Frame doing on ATWT??? Hee Hee. Alice Barrett appeared in the 1/4/88 episode as Casey's cousin, Claudia! It's amusing me see all of these AW and ATWT actors just flit from show to show. Back in the day, P&G really liked to keep actors in house, didn't they?

OMG - What is Frankie Frame doing on ATWT??? Hee Hee. Alice Barrett appeared in the 1/4/88 episode as Casey's cousin, Claudia! It's amusing me see all of these AW and ATWT actors just flit from show to show. Back in the day, P&G really liked to keep actors in house, didn't they?

2 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

I did not find Lemay's petulant, disdainful, often ludicrous cattiness to be charming. Indeed, despite his outstanding and undeniable talent,  I found him to be quite unpleasant, quite hypocritical, and not always honest if it did not suit his agenda to be.

 

His M.O. seemed to be denigrate everyone else in sight in order to elevate himself.

I worked with the man on one of his plays - your description of him is spot on!

Well, yay!  The Ken George Jones mystery was tied up in time for Christmas. (Which I had feeling would happen.)  It was obvious in the last two weeks that he had done it to himself but the fun was watching the rest of the cast have conversations about it all while Ryan is making paper dolls out of the suicide note!  

1980 was an okay year for RH. I enjoyed the first half better, I'll admit. The KGJ/Barry Ryan stuff had me less interested, but Kimberly/Rae/Michael has kept things interesting. The Ryan's basically don't exist anymore now that the children are all gone or dead. LOL Although Siobhan is supposed to be back soon - was supposed to come for Christmas but got held up on her way by a pregnant friend....could this really just be herself? Has Siobhan gone and gone pregnant in the 9 months she's been away???

Thanks for posting all of those Christmas episodes!! Now to find time to watch them...

I got to Mac's death episodes last weekend. I hadn't seen them since original airing. On Sunday morning from 9 to noon, I cried. And cried. And cried. And cried. So many of those actors do such wonderful work. It must've been so difficult to relive it all, only as the characters this time. Although I have to say, it really distinguishes the quality actors from the pretty people.  Some of them just can't pull it off.

This weekend I'll keep going (or maybe not...it *is* Christmas) Coming up next is the funeral and the will reading. They had some good actors on that show, I'll say that.

On 12/9/2017 at 9:49 PM, amybrickwallace said:

 

Ask and you shall receive...from 1975 on:

 

http://classicsodatwt.tumblr.com/

Oh my Lord- thank you for posting that!!  It's so frustrating trying to piece together what happens in-between the available episodes on YouTube. Although I have the 40th anniversary book with a detailed synopses, there's no particular order to each year in it. Weekly synopses from SOD will be a GIANT help in me keeping track as I go through the show!!!

Have you all ever done a YouTube rewatch and realized you don't remember most of what occurred? LOL

If you follow my posts, you know I'm in 1989 right now (I watched the show originally from '87-'95ish) - just finished Jason Frame murder. Here are things I just have no memory of:

Cafe Paradise (I *do* have vague memories of that set but not that it was an establishment run by Ada)

The chef at Cafe Paradise (who is, apparently, involved with Ava)

Derek/Abagail/Franny's preacher father - a MAJOR factor in the Who Killed Jason Frame Storyline

Reuben - seriously, no memory

Evan turning out to be Janice's son

Iris and Michael having a past affair (does that get dropped and not mentioned ever again?)

Seriously - how did I watch this show at not remember what are clearly very important details?? 

Anyone else have a rewatch and found yourself in a state of soap opera amnesia?

Thanks for sharing! I've never heard of the musical but it was great to watch the clips above. I recognized many of the performers from other shows I've seen them in. Seemed like a fun night at 54 Below! (Such a great space.)

58 minutes ago, safe said:

 

Kelli main beef was with IMDb-- back then she was trying to get them to change the date.

 

People on the SOAPnet  message board didn't buy it, either.  There were a couple of posters who said they attended the same high school as Kelli and she was definitely older.

 

There was a Kelli fan who created another RH message forum and had contact with Kelli -- and he insisted he had seen her birth certificate and that she was younger.

 

 

This is just one of many interviews at the time where Kelli brought it up- 

 

 

https://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/20447757.html

 

 

This is from 2008

 

Caps: You and Catherine Mary Stewart were both in your mid-20s when playing teenagers in "Night Of The Comet". You had me convinced that the both of you were teenagers. A lot of 80s movies were like that (adult actors as younger characters). It's continuing to this day, but I find today's actors less believable than those in the 80s. Do you think that 80s actors were better at pulling off these roles, or do you feel that today's actors are doing as good a job as many of you did back in the 80s?

Kelli: I don't have any idea how old Cathy was, but you must be getting your information from the IMDb. They have me five years older than I am on there.

 

 

 

I'm LOL right now. I don't know who she think she foolin'.