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    The Walking Dead: Discussion Thread

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    Negan was never good for this show. He was a ridiculous comic book character and Robert Kirkman's personal avatar, and Kirkman always dragged the show down. He should've lasted a season tops if you had to do it. It doesn't surprise me he ultimately was what pulled the TV show apart to the point that I mostly stopped watching at the end of S7 and definitely checked out when they fired Chandler Riggs. I assume Lincoln (and next I'm betting Gurira) came to the same conclusion I have, and him exiting after Riggs' unexpected exit does not surprise me. TV is not comics.

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    The Politics Thread

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    "The Conners" Discussion Thread

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    I think most of us who watched will. For me, there was a lot to enjoy. But there's not much to be done about it. I can't see the cast wanting to go back to that situation in any way right now, and I doubt Roseanne would allow it (I'm assuming she has a stake in the entire IP).

     

    ETA: LOL - guess I'll catch the last few eps on Dailymotion! Prospect Park's backups lasted longer.

     

    In amusing news, the alt right is now attempting to target Bill Maher on Twitter for firing as retaliation. My response, in one tweet (not mine):

     

     

     

    Oh, OK, a few more:

     

     

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    "The Conners" Discussion Thread

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    Unrelated; this is whistling past the graveyard now, but this is an anecdote Whitney Cummings had in THR some weeks back as part of a creative roundtable that I thought was interesting:

     

    WHITNEY CUMMINGS A big part of my involvement [on Roseanne], because it stars a character and person who voted for Trump, is that I was the progressive lib-tard in the room, and I really wanted to dig into the hypocrisies and all the hot-button issues that we're all talking about. So, [the Conners] have a gun in the house, and the story was about how they can't find it, and I really wanted the 5-year-old kid to find it. She was gonna come out and be holding it, and it made everyone very uncomfortable, which is why I wanted to do it. I thought for a multicam, this could be incendiary and interesting and start a conversation and show the dangers inside the home of these kinds of choices. And the network — well, everyone was pretty freaked out about it. And I fought really hard, and it was a hill that I died on. We didn't end up shooting that, and then Parkland happened and I was like, I …

     

    JUSTIN SIMIEN Should've done it.

     

    CUMMINGS Should have done it? You think I should have done it?

     

    AMY SHERMAN-PALLADINO Oh, I think you should've done it.

     

    CUMMINGS I was like, "I'm sure they would've made us cut it later, anyway."

     

    SIMIEN They would've.

     

    PAMELA ADLON Absolutely.

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    "The Conners" Discussion Thread

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    "The Conners" Discussion Thread

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    The structural change is similar, yeah, but that's where it ends. Miller-Boyett simply sniped Valerie to turn her show into proto-Full House.

     

    I don't know that any of them would do the show without her, even now. For one, Roseanne owns it and I can't see her giving it up. For another I imagine they're all probably just utterly done with this.

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    "The Conners" Discussion Thread

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    Wow. I'm surprised and pleased by ABC's admirable resolve in the face of ratings (which, despite falling, were still pretty solid).

     

    I hadn't had much time to reflect this morning on what Roseanne did beyond utter disgust. I got busy and turned away from the news, but all I had time to think was "how can I possibly continue to support this?" And obviously I wasn't the only one. It's clear most of the cast and crew were far more furious.

     

    I feel awful for Sara Gilbert especially, for whom the revival was a personal and professional triumph. She and everyone else worked so hard and they took it from every side in the media while trying to manage Roseanne. I haven't finished the season (and I do intend to), but I was mostly pleased with what I saw. I thought there was a lot of good there. But now far more than ever before, Roseanne is her own worst enemy. I admit I thought she was getting better; I was wrong. She's probably alienated a lot of this cast - people who stuck by her for years through impossible behavior - for a good long time. I hope that gives her some pause. I'd like to think so. But she bought and paid for this.

     

    It's a shame, but it was absolutely necessary.

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    The Walking Dead: Discussion Thread

    in Primetime

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    I'm pretty much out (I may catch up on Netflix someday if things turn around), but Lauren Cohan (Maggie) has confirmed she'll be in six of the eight episodes in the first half of next season despite her TV pilot getting picked up.

     

    Meanwhile, ex-TWDers Chandler Riggs (Carl) and Chad Coleman (Tyreese, but to me he'll always be Cutty from The Wire) take each other on in a rap battle on TBS' Drop the Mic. It's in good fun yet still cringeworthy.

     

     

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    Twin Peaks

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    Lynch talks to Rolling Stone and is still playing it coy:

     

     

    You did that yourself recently when you did Twin Peaks: The Return. How do you feel now that that's behind you?
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    The Politics Thread

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    We're extremely lucky this administration is as incompetent as it is insane. If this was a team on par with the Rove/Cheney/etc. crew in its prime and we still didn't have social media, it'd be far worse.

     

    As for Wallace, Joe Scarborough and Mika, I haven't forgotten anything they've done. But in desperate times I feel you go with the enemy of your enemy when they still show some basic principles. Wallace in particular had the common sense to deeply regret her work with Palin even before the 2008 campaign ended. (IIRC she didn't vote.)

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    Twin Peaks

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    Hollywood Sexual Harrasment/Assault Thread

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    I think what Ronan Farrow is doing as a journalist is wonderful, but to be quite honest my take on the Woody Allen case has always leaned towards doubt - even after Dylan Farrow spoke up. Woody Allen is no saint, but there were a lot of skeletons, even 25 years ago.

     

    The above account is horrifying and reconfirms a lot of what I have heard about Mia's troubled home life over the years. It's very sad.

     

    What makes me especially upset is that I feel our current instant outrage culture has zero room for nuance - people will not know how to process Ronan's good works and the need to listen to women vs. the possibility that the case that is the cornerstone of his personal life is potentially a fraud. These two facts existing at once is simply not something Internet thinkpiece culture is willing to comprehend.

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    The Politics Thread

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    Not exactly news, but shocking for him to say it openly to a journalist - I hesitate to link to anything from the Intercept, but this is just someone sharing Stahl's story:

     

     

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