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3 hours ago, Khan said:

"But, don't you see, Nick? HE'S CHANGED! He isn't the same, mixed-up guy who hurt me all those years ago."

"He didn't just skin your knee, Sharon. He raped you."

"Yes, and if I can get past that, why can't you?"

;)

Shivers. It's Franco and Elizabeth all over again.

2 hours ago, kalbir said:

I like the idea of the Hawthornes as the second family. We still haven't met the third son Luke.

Darlene vs. Silk Press Sheila is an intriguing rivalry too.

And I'm counting down the minutes until that. I wonder who they would cast.

Same. And they give Eva/Izaiah much needed drama AWAY from Kat.

4 hours ago, janea4old said:

I still haven't forgiven Carlivati for naming Eva and Thomas' favorite scifi romance author "Carl Ivati" with that name shown on the book cover.

Ugh. lol. I understand. It still gets me to eyeroll.

3 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

I agree there should be variety and a rotation of stories, but there are times when it works for one story to take center stage for a week and that was the case for Kat's dilemma this week.

It was only a day or two in BTG time and it gave the opportunity to really delve into the nuance and implications.

So agree. Especially the bold.

Definitely a fascinating discussion to be sure.

Yeeeeah I can kinda see what you all are talking about re: Lucas/NewGuy.

But I miss Lucas/Marco so I might just be bias.

Exactly!

25 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

To me, the show still seems obsessed with each week focusing on almost one story instead of doing what soaps used to do and give equal focus to multiple stories. While I enjoyed watching the Kat story this past week, we had almost no other stories going on except for an occasional focus on the Dani/Bill fallout and a bit of focus on Hayley's attempt to still be a con artist.

This is a telltale sign that MVJ hasn't quit shaken the stench of working for nepo Baby Bradley Bell at B & B.

In regards to breakdown writers, Jamey isn't the worst one on the show... Ron C was the worst breakdown writer with his ADHD esque tendency of 30 second scenes that made you suffer from a slight case of whiplash.

Jean P (former head writer of ATWT) was known for her breakdowns, it's a shame she and Lorraine Broderick aren't still active in the daytime scene to teach people how to do a proper breakdown .

Well that's funny to say giving how B&B is these days with its story rotation for the most part. Which ironically is how I've been feeling about this show the last few weeks. It hasn't felt scattered to me. If anything, the story with Kat and Eva has been allowed to breathe in all its forms...dare I say...beats? I wouldn't even say occasional with Dani/Bill...they have given solid fallout this week...which a B story should do. Moreso if you are not here for the Kat/Eva part of the story. And yet...Hayley...along with a few other stories...giving that C plot. But I also did my speculation on that part of the story. If anything it is all under the umbrella of the tornado fallout and it's been well-done to spread out the story wealth.

I don't think Jamey is the worst either. And to his credit...which most people should remember I rarely give him any...RC's only bad breakdown IMHO was his first one. I respect that he improved before he left. And his breakdown were the ones that were the most soapiest. I am aware that mileage might vary with some.

Be careful. Saying Jean P might bring out one of them crazy folk. ;P

I would adore if Lorraine was around.

18 minutes ago, janea4old said:

If they do, it would because Howarth and Stafford played characters who were close friends on GH (Nina and Franco) -- I don't remember if it was romantic or just buddies, but they were partners in capers, etc.

They were. Romantic that is.

6-19

Now that was a good week. I love that they have continued to play out momentum in their stories. It feels like the writers have found a rhythm and working with it. For that, I am grateful. And what I really liked about this week was that there was a main story, a solid B story, and very little (but still there) C plotting. Which worked so well last week so good 'head, BTG!!!

It's kinda funny to me that there has been all this bother about Eva. But on the other hand, it really has produced some good and divisive drama. I again have to point out the foreshadowing last week of Kat being worried that because she and Eva were together at the time of the tornado that everyone was going to be anti-Kat and it's all her fault. And what happened? People were coming for her and not even allowing her a chance to breathe. But SHE'S selfish? Yeeeeah NOPE. TeamKat who has picked at her when she's been stupid. And this...especially given the timeline...felt realistic to me. I loved her talk with Ted in the stairwell. I loved Kat having a POV. I liked her talk with Anita on first viewing (I saw some notes in hindsight here that makes me want to rewatch the scene). I felt it was nice...even with everyone ganging up on her...that Chelesa, Dani (especially), Nicole (and more especially), and Anita had Kat's back. At least from my perspective. While it felt like everyone felt Kat would do the right thing, I did like the clear divide within the Duprees. And over EVA. It would be interesting to see if that divide will widen given the teaser of Next Week promo or will people not care. Divided Duprees...what a story idea!!!

And YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS to Andre/Dani/Bill. I believe everyone knows that I hated them being backburnered when they could be THE story. So I love that the story has come roaring back in as a solid B story after too long having Andre/Dani in the background and Bill/Hayley in a stalled storyline. And I knew that flashback episode was a good prologue/recap/reset to get things moving again. SO...Bill and Dani DID have sex. Uh oh. I've enjoyed the fallout from that. Dani/Vanessa scenes where Vanessa is VANESSA. Those Dani/Bill scenes on Thursday was a masterclass, echoing for me (and love the shoutouts in dialogue, too) to their very first scenes together where it felt like Timon and Karla were dancing and knew each other's steps. I had to just stop what I was doing and watch. Karla did such great work and some of her inflections just took me out. And Timon can play a prick one minute. Then he's doing longing the next. Just superb. And of course, Bill is going to toy with Andre. And I do live for Bill vs Andre. Just a mess. Since I felt the flashback episode was going to do what it did, I feel it's safe to say that now that Andre/Dani/Bill are running hot in storyline in a B story position, the writers should finally be building back up Hayley's poisoning plot in the next two weeks. But I am hoping with the cotillion as the main May storyline and the Y&R crossover/tornado as the main June storyline that Hayley Exposed is what's coming next as the main July storyline. Fingers crossed. That last scene of Hayley's this week gives me some hope.

In terms of C plot, I will not forget Krusty Rubber Ducky anytime soon. LOL. But whatever is going to happen with Deanna and Joey/Vanessa feels like it is going to be a slow burn. Same for Sarah Joy Brown Ashley Jones as the Impaler. I can only think this will drive people crazy cuz 1) it's Joey. and 2) Now he has family. He's too polarizing to have family. And especially how Joey was positioned during the Y&R crossover.

As much as others might not want to hear it...I think the Hawthornes is that second family. At least for now. So it was nice to see Darlene pop up. I know she said she wanted to try to have a truce with Silk Press Sheila. I hope that falls through. Sorry. Darlene vs SilkPress could work for a good while and is better than SilkPress vs Anita. It was also nice to get them all in the same room to support Izaiah.

I continue to like how Derek has not been forgotten.

6-15

Already off to a good start. Though I'm annoyed 6-16 is only on the app and not on my system.

I admit that I found Electra trying to tease the name of the new Logan designer out of Will annoying. A good way to keep the plot going. But still annoying.

Hehe at Hope trying not to let Brooke know the truth. And that worked better to heighten the tension for me than Electra did.

Another highlight was how real Deke and Remy were. And now someone else...someone scrappy...knows about Deke at Logan. Hmmm. And Deke being tempted by Remy. Those scenes felt real to me. Even the DL (hehe) idea of Deke taking Remy back and not telling anyone which can (and should) leave to more drama/story for Deke...which I don't mind. I mean Deacon kept his relationship with Sheila a secret for a while. Why can't the gays do the same? And the teasing by Remy to get to the identity of the Logan designer definitely worked better than Electra's.

I like the writers are doing this RJ and Dylan angle. I like that they are going in with eyes wide open. I also like that they are on screen addressing the potential pitfalls. That said...perhaps the reason that I am intrigued is that I don't know if RJ is playing Dylan or if he is for real.

Again...good start.

Very. Sadly.

Well tbf there is always something story-wise out of wack (not wacka) with Frank. Thus the label of pettiness that he wears so well.

Perhaps it was not long with Chad Duell. I admit it felt like forever and definitely at the wrong time, but that turned out well in the end. I do agree that if Chad Duell was really going to hold the show hostage for a year allegedly, Frank had the right to recast. And yeah, if Chad Duell wasn't going to do a year, then Frank would have definitely waited. Smart move.

Now if Frank would find someone better than Windsoquita for a love interest for Rory's Michael...

1 hour ago, Khan said:

At the end of the day, Frank Valentini has to decide whether he's everyone's boss or friend. He can't be both.

Exactly.

49 minutes ago, carolineg said:

rank doesn't seem like an evil man to me just very petty. For whatever reasons there seems to be his favorites and people he loathes. It doesn't seem like there is a ton of in-between there for him.

Ding, ding, ding.

8 hours ago, BetterForgotten said:

Yeah, I don’t understand why FV and team hold her in such high regard to think this role is somehow unrecastable on a permanent basis.

I mean Frank did hold out for Chad Duell...until he couldn't. And it worked out because Rory Gibson is a find.

1 hour ago, kalbir said:

Unfortunately Josh Griffith is going nowhere as long as Y&R remains #1 and within budget.

Which is a real shame. JG couldn't even sync up his stories with BTG's...something I used to find annoying in comic book crossovers.

33 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

Having intriuing stories that would draw interest post-crossover was a good strategy for viewer retention. I would imagine that a B&B crossover will be considered now after this was so successful. With fashion and style oriented stories like Dani's career and ChelseaKat, it would be easy to have some sort of event where Forrester Creations could play a role.

For sure. And I love this. Especially right now with B&B going back to the days of fashion showdowns with Forrester vs Logan. It's still building slowly, but not so slow that they couldn't do a crossover with BTG in the fall.

Well I'm happy to see while all the couples were getting it on...so were the gays!!!

Get it, Deke!!!

6 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Same.

That was such a good week. Now THAT'S how you do follow-up.

And next week promo's looks like it's just going to organically flow into that even more. And Andre/Dani/Bill snatching B story status outright (before moving back to the A story it should be) is the right move with the all the tornado aftermath/fallout taking up A story status this week and next.

Fingers crossed this means the writers have found their footing.

48 minutes ago, DaytimeFan said:

Glad you're enjoying it!

If anything, I'm annoyed that work got in the way of my binging. I was finding it really fascinating. And can't wait to get back to it. Same for LADIES OF LONDON.

20 minutes ago, janea4old said:

Week of June 22

pic from ABC via SOD

Warms my heart. FINALLY. Thank you.

19 hours ago, YRBB said:

Enjoy the bday celebration! And then get back to watching!

Definitely to be started soon!

Oh, thank you. I'm a good tired at the moment. lol.

So far I have been loving it. Again a big thank you to @DaytimeFan for the recommendation.

10 hours ago, Chris B said:

I feel like this would be the perfect opportunity to do a pivot with Leslie. Even the best villains can't always antagonize everyone. I'd like to see her slow down and show real appreciation for Kat. Even better would be if Kat ended up in some mess and Leslie bailed her out. They could also focus on a romance for her instead of just tormenting the Dupree nonstop. Now I'm not saying everybody forgives her and becomes her friend, but a ceasefire has been earned.

Yes. This tornado has been the best thing for Silk Press Sheila because it has really humanized her without losing any of her edge. And it seems clear the next storyline will be the dangling plot thread of her vs Anita over using Barbara's vocals for Devon's Articulate project, but it could still be used as a good pivot for where SilkPress is right now rather than more of Cartoon Leslie.

8 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

In regards to Eva, I think her character was one that got affected after the change in direction on some of the stories. Eva/Tomas/Kat was slowly building for 140 episodes to where Eva and Tomas hook up, Kat discovers them together as she comes to extend an olive branch, and Tomas opts for Kat over Eva with Eva vowing to fight for him.

After Guza leaves, the direction for Eva's character shifts and she's paired with Izaiah. The two have chemistry, but they have little development nor any huge obstacles. Darlene is a promising obstacle plus Darlene vs Leslie is promising...but the whole story has been treated like a C level story.

FACTS. Especially the part about how KAT was extending an olive branch FINALLY.

14 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

There's only a small faction here that's anti-Kat.

Many of us like Kat a lot. We know her flaws but also understand her viewpoint.

I've always been #TeamKat.

I don't know about that small part.

That said...love to see another #TeamKat-er.

6 hours ago, kalbir said:

Andre's time away from Fairmont Crest as a globe-trotting photographer is waiting to be explored.

And we still have that investigation waiting in the wings.

5 hours ago, CrazySexyQ said:

Kat gets to live in messy colors.

And the same thing is...Eva used to live in messy colors, too. What made her rivalry with Kat good was they both painted with shades of gray.

19 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

-- GH wasn't on fire today, but it and BTG remain the most watchable of the soaps.

Facts. I would add a certain other show with a recast you love, too. ;)