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2 minutes ago, FrenchBug82 said:

None of us were there. None of us knows.
I believe that, as everything in life, a various number of factors played a part and came together to lead to the bad situation we are in. That was my point.
I am not, again, going to belabor a debate where neither I nor you knows where the truth is. no reason to believe what was said then was any more or less spin than what is said now.

Point was simply: she shouldn't have left, the show shouldn't have killed her off and Amanda isn't working.

 

And her new version is in the press now. Point is could have been spin, could have spin now. We don't know. There is no amount of "research" any of us can do to know the truth besides what we instinctively believe.

Enough.

If Amanda isn't working, Tell me what or who is working right now on Josh Griffith's Y&R? 

I personally happen to like Amanda. She works for me. But again, I've taken the character alone without expectation of wanting her to be Hilary or like Hilary. 

Just now, Vee said:

 

It was all over press at the time. I mean, this is not speculation.

Precisely. 

Considering how big of a mess it was when she left, I'm surprised the show brought her back anyway. She was way too popular for CBS Daytimes liking. 

I'm assuming KSJs death and the possible loss of Black viewers that could come with that prompted Sony and CBS to move her way. 

1 minute ago, FrenchBug82 said:

Spinning? A contract dispute is a perfectly legit reason to leave. "I was tired of playing the character" makes her look worse, not better.

Don't be silly. I don't doubt she would have stayed had they offered her millions. But that wasn't on the table. She left to do other things, didn't get those other things. YR had killed Hilary off and she didn't want to play her again so offering her a new role worked for both of them.
It is not black and white and all on her, obviously not. But she made choices.
Don't make me sound like I am attacking her! I like MM a lot. I just think Amanda is not working and I wish she hadn't left. That's all.

You're doing way too much guessing here on what happened. Mishael is obviously putting a nice spin on her departure attempting to absolve her employer since she was brought back. Secondly, it's common knowledge that she didn't want to leave. But she felt she had no choice. This wasnt her just deciding she didn't want to do Y&r anymore the way you've described. 

As for her not wanting to play Hilary...again, spin. She didn't want her character killed but she also wasn't about to badmouth the writers and the show. Chelsea had left several times and nobody thought to kill her off. If you can't see the raggedy treatment this populat actress received then I can't help you. 

1 minute ago, Vee said:

Again, this is something where a bit of research would come in handy. She most certainly left over a money dispute and they did permadeath Hilary bc they were, at that time, historically uncomfortable with the character's popularity. It was widely reported at the time by credible people. Anything now about 'wanting something different' when she was approached to return is a polite spin for the Amanda character, which was not her idea or her choice.

Thank you! I'm trying to figure out where this amnesia from fans is  coming from. We all knew the score when this happened in 2018. 

Mishael was approached by the show with this new character. She accepted. Probably because he never actually wanted to leave anyway. 

Now we've got fans resenting her presence because she's no longer Hilary. 

Just now, FrenchBug82 said:

Turning on her is a bit exagerated. She is still a great actress. It is just that Amanda doesn't do it for us and it was her choice to leave in the first place.

 

The fact one of the major executives can't be bothered to comb her hair before going to work would not inspire confidence to me either. The fact all those executives are related to each other and there is no outside blood would also be concerning if this was a real business situation.

Her choice to leave? That's relative I suppose. She left over a contract dispute like others have before her. But, the show didn't kill their very popular characters out of spite. 

1 minute ago, FrenchBug82 said:

She said it in interviews when she came back that she left because she wanted to feel challenged and playing the same character for five years was enough and that her interest in coming back came only because they offered her to play someone different.
https://www.soapsindepth.com/posts/cbs/the-young-and-the-restless-mishael-morgan-reveals-why-return-173764

Mishael is spinning. We all know she left over a contract dispute. It had nothing to do with her wanting to move on from Hilary. Had Sony paid her, she'd be playing Hilary right now and happy to do so. 

When did Mishael say she didn't want to come back as Hilary? I'm fairly certain who she is playing isn't her choice. 

Everything is a dud right now. The writing is not exciting cause nothing is happening. Even when something does occur, it's written in the least dramatic way. 

What I'm finding surprising is how fans have turned on Mishael because the show chose not to resurrect Hilary when bringing her back. It seems there's nothing Mishael can do acting wise to win fans over now. I truly feel bad for her. 

14 hours ago, Chatty Cakes said:

I get they want to throw the actors together but an affair would make more sense than Sharon working with Chelsea. I know she got her degree in counseling but as far as I remember she has no experience working with stroke victims. 

I'm not sure the show wants a full affair or their intimacy to be real. Kinda like Elena dreamed and day dreamed about  Devon to get it, chelsea is dreaming and fantasizing about Sharon and Adam. 

10 hours ago, Chatty Cakes said:

Good lord that cabbage patch faced looking Uncle Billy humping Summer taunting Sally. I can’t wait for the idiot to be knocked down several pegs. Kyle even told the dumb pig to leave Sally alone.

What in the hell am I watching? Why is Sharon providing counsel to Chelsea? God what a terrible storyline.

 

For the same reason Elena has dream after dream of kissing or sexing Devon and just had a random sex scenes. TPTB are taking advantage of the actors real life romance to get more intimacy on the show. SC and MG can touch and kiss while MG abd MCE can't due to covid. 

On 2/2/2021 at 3:46 PM, Antoyne said:

Getting caught up on last week. I was definitely not expecting Devon and Elena to cheat on their new boos this soon. I do like that this should keep the story moving, but I definitely don't want Amanda to just go running back to Nate when she finds out.

 

This surrogacy story is dumb.

Devon really wasn't cheating on Amanda because they weren't together and she couldn't even committ to a kiss. However, it's set up for her to be upset and walk from him anyway.  That Nate is now working with her makes me think something will happen with them. But honestly, considering the spoilers

On 1/31/2021 at 11:36 PM, detroitpiston said:

 

Tyler, the cop played by Diego from GH, the other cop played by Joey from OLTL, Austin, Stitch, the scammer who worked at Newman, Scott, Arturo and now Chance. I feel like I'm missing somebody too lol, I think she was still with Carmine when she first started and they teased Abby and Devon for a second til the height difference shut that down

 

I liked when she was feuding with Victoria over Newman and I think she did good work at the end of the marriage with Stitch. Always thought she was too old and not dynamic enough to be Ashley and Victor's daughter tho. The character was set for failure the moment MAB recast the little girl who played her for years and they turned her into Paris Hilton 7 years too late to be interesting

Nate...so make that 10. 

23 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

Let’s face it. Josh Griffith has the hots for Jason Thompson. We were crazy for ever thinking Jason’s job was in trouble.

Shocking really. This guy just keeps failing up on the show. I feel DB was more successful than he is. 

10 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

How does Adam get Chelsea upstairs in her wheelchair? And where is her bag for goin* to the bathroom?

That's too much realism. Takes away from the "romance" 

I guess it depends on why fans watch. Some do for fantasy and sex can definitely be apart of that fantasy.

However, sex scenes can be unnecessary when their are other intimacies such as kissing, hugging, and touching. I've noticed fans on FB complaining about the lack of that than sex scenes. 

5 hours ago, Chatty Cakes said:

Please let Jack and Sally fall in love and get married. We need a soapy story and this would fit the bill.  Sally could boss around Scummer and Vyle. Scummer could call Flo in L.A. and cry her tiny eyes out. 
 

Fall in love? No. I'd rather see Sally intentionally gold dig Jack and him fine with that because he wants companionship. So an arrangement of sorts. 

On 1/22/2021 at 5:13 PM, Soaplovers said:

Amanda has chemistry with Billy...that would put her in orbit to Jill and the other Abbotts.  

 

She shouldn't be paired with Devon again..at least in a romantic way.

Billy doesn't even interact with Abbots or Jill in a meaningful way. He and lily are mostly isolated together at ChanceComm. I can't imagine it's be different for Amanda if she was paired with Billy. 

6 hours ago, Dylan said:

I liked Mishaels quote on Devon going through all that with Hilary so he could meet Amanda,

That's a good route for writers to take. It remains to be seen whether viewers will but it or not. 

10 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

Y&R clearly cared about Sharon as a (future) lead of the show and paired with a Newman scion. And we did have her mother Doris as a consistent presence in the early years. I don’t see the same level of investment in Amanda. Hilary certainly could have been viable long term. That the show brought MM shows that Y&R knew they screwed up by killing her off. It’s harder for Amanda because she exists in Hilary’s shadow. 

One reason why I’m not optimistic is that Y&R is currently written week to week. Very few stories gain momentum. 

Seems to me the show is as committed to Amanda as a lead as they were Hilary though. I get that existing in Hilary's shadow hampers her.  But I believe that overtime, Amanda will overtake Hilary. If I can get over Hilary isn't coming back then I'm sure others can. I see a big difference in how viewers feel about the character after this current story. I wish the show would continue it. I'm hoping that TPTB saw that and picks up the thread. 

1 minute ago, Faulkner said:

Proven wrong about Amanda’s long-term viability. And I just don’t think they are that invested in her family. I hope to be proven wrong about that too.

Amanda is as viable as hilary long  term though. At least I think so. You don't? 

We don't know very much about Sharon's family either and yet she's been around for 20 something years. I don't think Amanda's family needs to be on the show to make her viable. It'd be nice though. But it's not make or break. Hilary's family wasn't on the canvas either. 

1 hour ago, Vee said:

But they haven't.

They have. Her family story was the best recieved story this show had had in at least a year. 

1 hour ago, Faulkner said:

I’d love to be proven wrong about Amanda. It’s a bad sign that they don’t have any immediate plans for her newly introduced family, which was the first and only time Amanda really took fire. She says she’d “love to work with them again,” meaning the actors who play her mother and sister.

Proven wrong about what? And why is the show possibly not having any immediate plans for her family a bad sign for it? 

Granted, I think the show has something with Amanda and Imani as rivals with Naya I'm the middle mediating. I hope that's where we are heading. I won't hold my breath though. Still, there are plenty stories to tell for blank slate Amanda. 

1 hour ago, Vee said:

God, just bring Hilary back.

As much as I loved Hilary, I actually prefer Mishael to have a fresh start with a new character that viewers can actually get behind and root for. 

Most people refused to give Mishael a chance as Amanda. Some are intending on hating regardless. When you throw in her fans talking negatively on top of those that despised Hilary, the distaste for the character seemed overwhelming.  I'm just glad the show stuck with her during the transition instead of dropping her. 

Whatever love, connection, and history we had with Hilary took time to develop. Amanda can develop the same just like any other character. 

I like MO and her Abby too. However, I don't see her as a lead character and I'm amazed at how she's given story after story and pairing after pairing while Loren Lott is gone without one story or pairing.  That's my main problem with MO being on the show. Nothing to do with her but how the show operates 

https://michaelfairmantv.com/yrs-mishael-morgan-talks-amandas-gut-wrenching-scenes-with-her-mother-romance-with-devon-vice-president-kamala-harris-historic-moment/2021/01/21/

I'm rooting for Mishael in her new role. It amazes me how so many of her fans are disappointed that she's no longer Hilary and hate on Amanda and by product Mishael for it. 

32 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

I count Nate.

 

But yeah, like @LondonScribe that was my first thought. Especially after the Rosales takeover.

If these folks are indeed related to Amanda, I can't see them replacing Winters. At least not all. I see those two sisters (Amanda and Imani?) Having story with Devon and Nate. This is the show recreating Dru/Neil/Olivia/Malcolm. 

18 hours ago, Taoboi said:

That's funny since I'm slowly binging YOUNGER.

 

That said...I don't know how I feel. I like how they look, but I worry they might try to write any Winters out as they come in rather than just slowly bring them in. Rather than you know...write for everybody. 

There's only 2 Winters left. Devon  and lily. 3, if you count Nate. I can't see Devon being written out. Lily is possible though since she was just put on recurring then written out. 

12 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

You contradict yourself. Here you blame MIshael for what we see, and a couple posts later you say the writers want her to play backup to Billy. So which is it?

 

I don’t know how in the hell she could infuse more life into this character AS WRITTEN. She’d come across as a lunatic.

 

MIshael Morgan has yet to have one exciting storyline since her return. Not one. And no, this offscreen hunt for her ancestors is not exciting.

I see the character as a bit dry and that's an acting choice. However, Mishael isn't in charge of her story, airtime, nor who she interacts with. That's not a contradiction. 

I did enjoy her part in her story with her stalker ex for the most part.  What i didn't like about it was it centering Billy and Vikki. There were so many other choices for writers other than another Newman in peril. 

Agree on this off screen origin story.