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I read Devon gets his money back next week. 

This story had been totally useless. 

On 2/14/2020 at 12:14 AM, Khan said:

 

I think Josh Griffith and Tony Morina realized they had made a mistake in pushing them together.

It's the beginning of a new year. For soaps, that usually means new stories. So here we are...

By the way, wasn't it Mal Young that pushed them together. Josh just continued it. I can't even recall. 

Just in time for Billy to star in the story alongside Rambo, ahem, I meant Chance. 

I wish I could care. I don't. 

Phyllis versus Abby over Chance is such a downgrade for MS. Not near as WTF as Abby versus Sharon (Scottie) but still feels out of place. They aren't even contemporaries. 

This might be worth while if it was centered on the Nina and Phyllis history. But Abby just isn't the cog to make this go. While I like MO and her Abby, it's so daytime to be able to find story after story for her yet can't see any future for Loren or her Ana when she and her character could run several circles around MO/Abby in every department, including being interesting onscreen. 

1 hour ago, slick jones said:

 

 

The Young and the Chelsea.  Dreadfully boring.  Billy walking around talking into a phone (is anyone on the other end?) is tedious.

 

Sharon getting cancer is not the story I'd give her. JG's  "You get an illness! You get an illness!" never follows through.  She should have embarked on a hunt for her father, the story we've discussed a million times here.

 

Tessa's goodbye seems permanent from those scenes. Can Mariah get a real story now?

 

Now that Theo has been "accepted" by the Abbotts, how about a Brooks sister coming around?  (BTW, I mentioned this in my FB group in a post and Janice Lynde "Liked" it.)

 

Fen's addiction should be a bigger story, and the attraction between Jack and Lauren never should have been dropped.

 

I like that Devon and Nick have become friends as they work on New Hope, and including Elena and Nate in the clinic, but why not rely on Sharon  as a mental health worker? it beats giving her cancer....

 

Why were Kevin and Chloe brought back?

 

Amanda is a mess. Hopefully they give the character direction soon. Give her a job at New Hope and really put her in the mix with Nick, Nate and Devon.

 

NuChance sucks. Replace him. A sock puppet could do a better job.

 

Can Phallus stop running around talking about her Grand Penis er Phoenix?   Give her a tech job somewhere.  It's becoming a drinking game.

 

Isn't it time for Lola's liver to reject her?  Kyle should, the way she fawns over Theo.

 

Adam, Chelsea and their child of the corn should move to Kansas...

Well...lol

Do you think Adam and Chelsea have chemistry? 

I don't think the show wants Amanda in Nate's orbit. I mean, they did at first but the story has turned on a dime away from that.  It appears they want to use her to give the characters they really care about story, i.e Billy.  And they have Devon obsessed over her where she's not even aware of his existence half the time. 

Theo shouldn't have been so easily  accepted by Abbots. It seems there's more story available if he's not. 

I saw a clip of Abby and chance. I didn't hate it. But it still wasn't much. Seems like from what I read, Abby and chance are together so Phyllis and chance can get together. 

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Good to see you (a)board!  I stopped watching ages ago but I have fond memories of our spirited chance in threads like these. 

Awe...I miss discussions here too.  I came on today to see what you all thought of the show. 

I haven't watched the show in so long. But I do read recaps and see the pictures and occasional clip. Chelsea never gets any flack. Whoever said that her having to answer for choices would be better soap is correct.  

They clearly took what was to be Nate's story with Amanda and gave it to Billy. JT just isn't good in this role. I regret that mishael is stuck with him at the moment. 

I just can't believe JG is this bad. 

Wasn't she still producing Y&R recently? I recall seeing the name. 

"What is past is prologue"

Amanda = Hilary

Nate = Devon 

Elena = Lily

Devon = Cane

Trident (Billy) = Neil who will get with Amanda while Nate pines then fights for her

All the while Elena and Devon will be self righteous a$$ hats who play angst for the story. Mostly Elena the same way Lily did despite the fact that Elena doesn't have near the reason to hate Amanda that Lily did Hilary. Nor does she have that deep of a relationship with Nate to justify harassing him over who he chooses to dates unless she wants him herself...which takes us to the added bonus, Elena isn't related to Nate so the show can go there. 

Mind you, this time around it won't have near the same results. That was the perfect unintentional storm, so to speak. 

The show found some of its greatest success in years with the black cast telling that Hevon story. They will surely try to repeat it. But with Nate as leading instead of Devon because for whatever reason, TPTB doesn't want Bryton as a lead alongside Mishael. 

On 11/29/2019 at 7:44 PM, rlj said:

You can rest assure if there was a goodbye party, DG would've posted, he is still posting Lane stuff , and messages from Laners on IG lol 

That's true. He would have definitely posted it. I'm surprised Bryton didn't put something together. 

1 hour ago, Faulkner said:

It’s just exasperating. Moments like Jack registering his surprise at seeing the face of his dead friend are why I watch soaps, and to be denied them makes me lose interest. Why invest in these characters if they aren’t going to play the relationships? I stopped watching GH, for all its ridiculousness, when a female character showed complete indifference to her best friend’s near-fatal medical crisis, which only happened because the plot-driven writers considered their stories separate.

 

These writers aren’t creative enough to build story around a young black billionaire, which just seems intriguing as an idea. But they are so locked in playing the same kind of stories for the same boring characters. 

They didn't even attempt to play the same boring stories they've played over and over for those other characters with devon. At least on Devon it might seem fresh and new. Why not give him the mentally ill stalking woman that Jack usually gets. Why not??!! 

I guess DG wasn't keeping up by watching. 

5 hours ago, Faulkner said:

Has that really not happened yet? 

Nope! But then Jack is no longer the lead he once was. He's a secondary character used to serve story Kyle. That might be why. 

I doubt Devon gets that money back without his fans lodging a big campaign. It seems several writers have wanted him poor. Striving. 

When will jack see Amanda? 

On 11/26/2019 at 10:22 AM, rlj said:

Per SOD, Amanda and Billy spend the night together next week!

I doubt they have sex and I'm sure it's his alter lol

20 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Amanda likely is being "chem tested" with a variety of male actors.  Also, JG by now, is wary of appearing predictable in how characters are paired and what direction their storylines will go. Too late for that, imo.

If anything happens with Billy and Amanda, it'll be his alter Trident involved. It won't be real for him. I fear they'll fall back on old ways and use Mishael as a lighting rod to jump off stories and characters they truly care about with Amanda as the villain. Though, I guess it's a trade off. At least she will get the story avd airtime.  Something Elena has surely been denied. 

7 hours ago, Khan said:

 

"Who Killed Cane?  WHO CARES?"

 

 

But seriously.  I agree.  Y&R refuses to allow their non-Caucasian characters to remain prosperous for very long.  Remember when LML had Neil decide suddenly that he'd rather own some stupid jazz club than work at Newman?  Because, God forbid a brother wants to climb the corporate ladder!

I recall vividly. That was during the Carmen Mesta drama. 

1 hour ago, xtr said:

Here are a few more spoilers from SOD about Devon/Cane:

 

Devon and Cane will end up facing off in the penthouse after Colin implicates Cane in the will scam. Cane will come to the penthouse to defend himself but Devon will not believe him. Cane will say that he's innocent and doesn't know why Colin is implicating him. Devon will not believe him and will not be happy that his grandmother's wishes have been disrespected. Bryton says in the mag that all of Devon's money is gone because Colin has hidden it somewhere. Devon will vow to get to the bottom of things and find out if Cane is involved.

 

I wonder how Colin gotten a hold of all of the money and where he's stashed it. I also wonder if Cane is really involved and how exactly he will be written out. Him and Colin only have like a couple of episodes left, so their part in things may get resolved quickly. 

 

I also wonder how these spoilers may tie into the spoiler about Devon's past coming back to haunt him. 

I also read a spoiler that Elena and Nate wish for a Christmas miracle. Makes me think Devon's life is on the line somehow. 

At this point, I'd rather see Cane murdered in a whodunit that gets Devon blamed then we find out it was Billy's alter at the end if a trial than to have Cane just leave town with Devon's money.  I can see the second scenario happening since this show is obsessed with black folks being poor and trying to claw their way to the top, which was Hilary's through line despite being married to a billionaire. She was written to take nothing in the divorce  ensure she remained poor. 

This is so bittsweet. 

Sweet because we are finally free of him.

Bitter because the Winters family is so reduced, which precipitated his departure. 

That picture he posted tells the story. No Neil, no Lily, no Charlie and Matilda, not even Devon. 

The penultimate episode is today! 

11 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

I agree with your take on all of these characters and their stories — or lack of them.

 

Josh Griffith has the ability to make us like a character, but then does nothing with him or her, or certainly not enough. MiM’s return pumped me up because I love her, but I’m not happy with what’s been done with Amanda so far. If there’s a plan, it’s taking way too long to get to it.

 

Nate and Amanda have good chemistry, but even on today’s show, we should’ve seen those scenes with Nate going before the medical board. Why write him in trouble if we don’t SEE the fallout? Hearing the characters practice their speeches and then report how great Victor was at the hearing? Ugh. And then Nate gets a phone call about reinstatement? Ugh again.

 

Devon and Elena are going nowhere. The will? Devon would have a dozen lawyers working on it — not watching Chance make a stupid trip to the Maldives.

 

Billy and Kyle are going nowhere, just in circles. Theo’s story got exciting for a minute when he was declared an Abbott relation. Now what? Boring talks with Summer and Lola while bad boy Theo seems to be gone.

 

Nick was all guns-ho for a run for council — — and then he drops out? Huh?? Did JG switch course after only a week’s worth of episodes and drop that story? Abby again is googoo eyed over ANOTHER guy. No story there. Phyllis has no story. 
 

For a whole it looked like CLB would again be prominent. He’s disappeared. Lauren is nowhere in sight. Kevin and Chloe seemed important for a minute. Over.

 

i love Mark Grossman as Adam, but he’s still not in a relationship of any kind? Huh? This is a SOAP, for God’s sake. Sharon is with Rey, but it doesn’t feel like she’s really in love.

 

Josh Griffith DESPERATELY needs a co-writer. I still watch every day, but I definitely understand why viewers are dropping out.

+1

The whole show is a big nothing burger. 

Not showing Nate's hearing was the biggest indication to me that the whole things being half done. I would say budget reasons but they hired a named actor for this Chelsea story.  So my guts says they just didn't want to spend the money on those particular characters. 

Speaking of Lauren and Michael, can someone please explain to me why they aren't allowed to have story? 

10 hours ago, Taoboi said:

I was just thinking about this the other day. With the passing of Neil and Lily and the twins gone, there really are no more Winters in town, is there?  Other than Nate and Devon and they are even playing that part of his heritage.

No,that's not being played and it's to the detriment of these characters. Moreso, Nate than Devon since Devon is established already. That was my earlier complaint....maybe I didn't explain myself well enough. 

10 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

It would be nice to see Nate at the hospital but budget doesn't seem to be up for that. SD is sexy and a good actor but like other posters are saying, everything seems half baked . Like there is no developing long term story in place.

Olivia really needs to show up and maybe have a mini story that her son can support her through.

They seem to find money for the hospital when they want to put victor or Lola in the bed. Lol

If the show us going to have full time characters as doctors, they need to have consistent medical drama to accompany that. Much like they manage to have constant crime when they have someone they care about working in the police station. 

2 minutes ago, xtr said:

 

In spite of some of the stories that Josh has written I think that Amanda's backstory might end up being okay. It's looks like she's running from someone/something. She seemed tense when she saw a man at the hotel that she recognized. Cane also picked up on her being tense when the hostage situation was going on. There is a story there and I am willing to wait and see how it develops. And in the meantime I am enjoying Nate/Amanda and their interaction/chemistry together. They are a breath of fresh air and a bright spot on this show. They are just getting started in their relationship and I am interested in seeing where things go with them.

 

Also, the show has shown in the past an interest in Devon/Nate's relationship. They had close moments and have acted like family. This happened with Brooks Darnell's Nate and also with Sean's version. Devon tried to help Nate out when he got in trouble for smuggling Nikki out of the hospital, Nate tried to help him after Hilary's accident, he was looking out for him when Amanda first came to town. Just recently Nate got upset on Devon's behalf about the will and talked with Cane about that. They aren't Neil and Malcolm  but they don't act like strangers. They have acted like they care about each other and have had their close moments. They just aren't interacting much right now, and I think that's largely because they have different things going on.

Yes, I recall Nate and cane having words all the while Nate and Devon not talking about it themselves. Lol

If this is working for you, good. But you don't have to try to convince me that everything is just fine. JG is half assing this. Much like he's half assing Phyllis and MS's return. She seems like such a pointless character but that's another conversation. Me pointing it out is certainly not because I don't like Devon, Elena, Amanda, or Nate. 

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

I've seen a few people on Twitter say that they just wanted MiM back, they didn't care who she was playing.  Sounds like they care about the actor, not so much the character.

 

And are folks really trusting that JG is going to craft a compelling backstory about these characters??  That's a whole lot of unearned faith! 

If Nate and Devon don't interact much, that's a real shame. The Barber/Winters connection truly is dead.

I'm one of them who just wanted Mishael back. However, I understand that most viewers aren't me and may not feel that way. Which is why I'm critiquing the character and looking at things from the eyes of someone who may not be a super fan. I want this to work and her to have the best chance to succeed.  

Regardless of what's being said, Devon and Nate are not close and the show hasn't tried to even create a closeness. I had hopes that the show would use Neil and Malcolm as a model, sans the woman sharing, for their relationship. But so far, very little effort has been put into it. 

On every survey that the show had requested feedback, I've asked for Nate and Devon as  younger generation bearers of the Barber/Winters family. It seems the show heard me but have no idea how to go about it. 

2 hours ago, xtr said:

 

If her backstory is interesting enough it will be fine. A lot of people already care about Amanda. A lot of people already love MM and are enjoying this character. I'm seeing several people enjoying Amanda and her and Nate even without her backstory being fully explored yet. They will give her some sort of backstory and maybe a connection to someone on canvas. It might take some time, but I think they will get there. They finally started giving Theo a backstory after him floating around for months. I think that people care more about Amanda than they do Theo. (Though I like Theo). 

 

And it's not like Devon and Nate don't ever interact. They do, it just hasn't been a lot lately. Because Devon is preoccupied with the will storyline. And Nate and Elena haven't really interacted a ton either, lately. They interact more than him and Devon have lately, but she's not doing a whole lot except being a sounding board for Devon and interacting with Nate on a friendship/colleague level. She's expressed distrust of Amanda, but her and Nate haven't been sharing a bunch of scenes. Her relationship with Nate has not replaced Devon's relationship with Nate.I don't think that Devon/Nate are being ignored in favor of Nate/Elena. 

Do you really expect JG to deliver interesting? After watching the last year, you expect writing to buoy Amanda? 

I didn't say that Elena took Devon's place. She can't take something that never existed. The show never tried to create a relationship with Devon and Nate. Nate was brought on to be Mishael's character's leading man. After Hilary's death and even a recast, we are exactly where the show wanted Nate Hastings. They don't care about Devon and Nate's relationship.