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This LuAnn news is really disheartening . . . she's been enjoying an epic comeback/redemption tour and this is about as serious an accusation as it gets. I know many hate on season 4 LuAnn, and without getting into the Alex stuff (which I thought was justified), I think the most significant wrong a NY housewife has dealt another was Ramona calling LuAnn out on her parenting and then going after a teenage Victoria at the reunion. Just WOW. In her blog a few weeks ago, Carole came after LuAnn similarly, saying Adam was an unpaid babysitter for Noel while his mother was gallivanting around with men . . . I get why Carole felt compelled to defend Adam when LuAnn was carrying on about how he took advantage of her/Nicole/the family . . . but I also felt she just didn't need to go there. Would Adam want her to do that? Would Noel? But if LuAnn's own children are coming after her now, it looks like there was a fire behind all the smoke. On a related note, I think Carole/LuAnn is one of the more interesting, under-featured relationships on this show . . . from a silly feud in season 5 to becoming actually really good friends in seasons 6 and 7 and for it to all fall apart . . . there's a lot to mine here. And Carole is stupidly not learning from LuAnn's mistakes . . . Carole got off the hook for Adam/Nicole because LuAnn ridiculously started slandering Carole and Adam every way she could think of instead of concisely expressing her grievances (shades of NJ's Jacqueline) . . . now Carole is coming down so hard on B on social media that everyone might forget that B was actually the original culprit in this war. Even though I never understood their friendship, it's always sad to see a real relationship destroyed on these shows.

Eileen has a really fabulous life, it's a shame they don't (or can't) show it. Between Y&R and her Malibu family life (that screams early OC 'wives), she should be providing the kind of content we all beg for. It's too bad she's edited as a meddler and/or killjoy.

Ken is a real nasty pos. You can take the whore out of the gutter . . . this creep never disappoints. What a pig. Everyone looked like fools, esp. Lisa Rinna and Eileen, which is a shame, because I at least feel like LR had a real point that she just didn't know how to make (kind of like Yolanda always, LOL). Nice to have Kim, Faye, and Camille at what I assume was supposed to be the finale party. I got the 'confrontation' between Kim and LR--Kim will never own her s (she's made that abundantly clear by forcing herself and everyone around her to only look forward, not backwards . . . which is fine in some cases, but not one as serious and chronic as hers . . . she'll never learn anything from her mistakes because she's admitting she's unwilling to acknowledge them and won't let anyone else, either) and LR was not there for that dogshit but wasn't going to start hooting and hollering. So she tried to condescendingly and passive aggressively shut her down with a smug last word . . . not cool but Kim Richards doesn't deserve better. However, while she keeps on going on and on and on about how she owns everything she says and does, LR really should own that she knew exactly what she was doing last year by making a freakin' storyline out of Kim's addiction just like she did with Munchausen (not a "comment," a storyline . . . which is what LVP wanted I'm sure) this year. Come on. Very interesting that this season was framed really as Yolanda's journey . . . which I guess turned out a tragedy? All in all a very a disappointing season, for so many reasons. Despite last year's ramifications, the dramatic potential was fully realized . . . this year was just hurtful but lame.

I think it's unfortunate that it sounds like Lisa Vanderpump will be able to freeze out, not acknowledge, and talk over Lisa Rinna at the reunion. Lisa R. is stupid for putting anything in writing, though. And while it seems obvious to me that Lisa V. wanted a "Yolanda's full of bs" convo. to be on-camera and was happy to let Lisa R. (and Kyle) take the blame, Lisa R. should've let it go like Kyle since Lisa V. seems pathologically incapable of taking real responsibility for anything she does. It's pretty ironic since she seems very sensitive and unforgiving. I get why Lisa R. was pissed that she was taking the fall for the group, but it was done . . . and she shouldn't have just directed her frustration at Lisa V., but at Kyle, too. Meanwhile, who thinks Kyle wouldn't be so quick to sweep this under the rug if she caught the heat like Rinna?? Kyle, in so many words, confirmed that they were talking s about Yolanda and that if Lisa V. tries to take her down, she's going down with her . . . something tells me Kyle will worm her way out of all this, lolol.

Wow, Lisa V. slaughtered them in that blog! LOL. I think, though fabulous, Lisa V. is a cold bitch only out for #1 and it's pretty amazing how bulletproof she is--no one can chink this lady's armor, and that can't be said for the other hw head bitches (Vicki, Ramona, Nene, Teresa, etc.). However, I don't necessarily think Lisa R. is trying to "take her down" . . . clearly, all these hens, among millions of others, were talking about Yolanda. And in private, I'm sure all these women speak about each other SO disparagingly and cruelly, esp. Lisa V. and that husband of hers. Lisa R. was probably fed up TO HERE that she was catching all the flack for something that she was hardly the only one guilty of--I absolutely believe she, Lisa V., and Kyle (and EVERYone else) talked about "Munchausen" or something similar. And Yolanda is the biggest liar of them all claiming she's never heard of it before Lisa R./this season. Yolanda and Kyle play victim better than all of them combined (Eileen is inching up there, too). But, ya, I do agree that Lisa R. is TRYING HARD and giving these producers their money's worth . . . the fact that she's doing it to expose Lisa V. and Kyle is stupid af, but I don't think she's lying. It'll be interesting to see how likely successful Kyle will be at crying/outraging her way out of it and how Lisa V. will just not acknowledge anything and then deflect. Lisa R. better be ready. Eileen, on the other hand, is hard to watch. I think she's coming off thirsty with forcing everyone to "confront their feelings" . . . it's a bad look, clearly producer-fueled. And this thing with Lisa V. is sad. I think Eileen has actual knowledge of Lisa V.'s transgressions (that she won't tolerate ever being brought up) and that soured her this year, AND Eileen couldn't handle Lisa V. callously and crassly hitting her Achilles' heel (the "unsavory" origins of her current marriage). Lisa V. knows how much this affects Eileen and, when it suited her last year, chastised Brandi for going after her. If Lisa V., in a moment of ignorance, misspoke, then she should have just apologized sincerely because she clearly knew what she did. But this lady can't ever be wrong. I get how this would dumbfound and upset Eileen. However, if Eileen can't handle this very public part of her life being brought up, she has NO BUSINESS being on this show! Lol. And I thought the scenes with Yolanda at the gala were nice. I completely believe she has it . . . it's just that she obviously uses it as a shield (like Lisa R. said) AND this woman is not only insanely stupid, but her language barrier (she obviously has difficulty picking the right words to articulate herself) makes her come off horrible re. Lyme. That and she's as sensitive as Eileen and an incredibly paranoid person. She's been acting like an attacked animal all season and she's been unfairly attacking back haphazardly and it's understandable how she's made real enemies, Lisa R. is just the only one with the balls to come forward. And her scene with Brandi was so contrived--I get the show needs to thread a narrative, but for a woman who tirelessly goes on and on about "real vs. fake friends," she could've tried harder to not have come off so FAKE! lol. And however arrogant she was in the past, I feel humiliated for her watching her scenes with David (like I did with Ramona/Mario on NY). It's too bad because I think in better circumstances, she seems like a very lovely woman.

I think EVERYone has stepped in so much sh** on BH. Not a single one of them is coming off unscathed, but it looks like Lisa Vanderpump and Kyle are avoiding the fray more than anyone else . . . but, IMO, they're as transparent as Yolanda Foster Hadid. I'm not on a crusade to "get" her, but it is puzzling to me that Lisa Vanderpump gets away with everything, esp. since she owns nothing. Maybe that's it--she doesn't give a f about anyone but herself and hers and has never pretended otherwise . . . but she still wouldn't ever come out directly and say it that way. Anyway, even if Lisa Rinna tries to bulldoze through everyone at the reunion, she should get destroyed by everyone but Eileen . . . even though they're all on a tv show and this is work, Lisa Rinna (who I do love) has taken it to the point of no return.

CarlD2, what a cool promo! Thanks for posting!

I think the Teresa situation is really complicated but, most of all, sad. Honestly, ever since the table flipping, she's had a handful of episodes that only someone truly insane would have. And I think it's evident that Caroline was biting her tongue through all of it. Jacqueline has totally participated in some nuts stuff, too--she was as bad as Teresa at the Posh fashion show in season 2 and she was craze as well at the season 2 reunion. But nevertheless, Teresa's antics would have to wear thin on them. IMO, Caroline's real problem with Teresa was the lawsuit that resulted in that gnarly fight in Punta Cana (where she, her three children, that Greg idiot, Joe & Teresa, and Bravo/Sirens got sued). And I can't blame her for not wanting to associate with Teresa after that and legally, I don't think she can talk about it, esp. not on "Housewives." BUT my issue is that Caroline really is a disgusting bully. Her whole mo is to intimidate everyone into submission, so much more than Teresa or Danielle (who seem to be more illogical, completely self-unaware, and out of control of their words and actions). Caroline is mean, unwavering, and a bully of the highest order. She doesn't care if her reasoning makes no sense and she doesn't care if she's a hypocrite--she's just right regardless, and her husband and children seem to be the same way. My issue with Melissa and Kathy is that neither are willing to cop that signing a contract with Bravo without letting Teresa know was, at best, WEIRD. Teresa shouldn't respond negatively to it, but Bravo knew exactly what they were setting up and Melissa and Kathy knew everything wasn't just going to be "fine." I actually love Kath, but she's a [!@#$%^&*] disturber, no two ways about it. And I can't believe that she and Joe & Melissa have the audacity to pick ALL of Teresa's words apart when Rich says the most horrific things--it's not funny and NO one would just "understand that Tre's a jokster" (they don't! LOL) if she said a tenth of the things he has. And I don't understand why it's OK that the Manzos, Gorgas, and Wakiles (sp.?) can hurl insults at Teresa and her whole immediate family and it's literally unacknowledged. Unbelievable. I also totally agree with whoever said that Melissa, Joey, Kathy, and Rich all TRY SO HARD to engage her. It doesn't excuse Teresa's INSANE idiocy, but they definitely poke her. This show has become such a sad mess, lol.

My only experience with AHB and RA & AS is from J&J edits, but they included a lot of extra stuff. The dialogue under AHB's leadership was really quick and smart, that's one thing I can really say. She created Isabella, a character I never connected with, but who has always had such an impact on the show. I loved RA & AS and I don't know if I agree that they returned to the super couple format following a more edgy tenure from AHB. They had Jack & Jennifer and did two really big adventure stories (the train wreck really doesn't compare to The Cruise of Deception or Alamania), but they didn't do much with Steve & Kayla and then they were the fools to do Shane/Kayla (every writer always has one really big disaster, lol). Their stories were really introspective and dark and the family aspects of the program seemed to focus on defeat, not triumph. I really, really loved them. But IA (with ghfan89) that, tragically, Jennifer's rape focused more on Jack's reaction. But I'm one of the few old school J&J fans who feel Jennifer's characterization was often at the expense of overexposure of the Jack Deveraux character, who was the character of 1990 much like focus EJ received from Sheffer or Nicole from Higley. Carly Manning sucked, another low point of RA & AS, and yes, she did take over the show, complete with rewriting the ENTIRE Frankie & Jenn story to give her a back-story. Anne Schoettle was actually invited back to "Days" to write J&J's farewell episode, which was a love letter to the super couple era, and it was sappily amazing but ignored J&J's later relationships/ties with/to characters like Billie and Lucas. Fascinatingly, the only other story featured that day was the BIG climax of the Phil/Belle/Shawn/Mimi rectangle where everyone found out that Shawn, not Philip was the father of Claire's baby. I've always been curious whether or not AS wrote the whole episode, or just the J&J stuff, because talk about two totally contrasting things--80's nostalgia and a contemporary climax.

I can't stand Jersey Wives this year. I was never invested in this show like NY, but I have no interest in seeing the deconstruction of Teresa's relationships with Jacqueline and Caroline. I've never been huge on Tre--since season 2, I've thought she was batshit and shady and was amazed that the other ladies stood behind her. But seasons 1 and, especially, 2 showcased a real family element with her and Dina/Jacqueline/Caroline and their families. Season 3 reunion was just tragic. I could give a f about Joey & Melissa Gorga and something still feels so suspect about them. I actually LOVED Kath last season, but I think Rich is scum and Kath isn't able to hide how much of freakin' [!@#$%^&*] disturber she is this season. Really off putting. I used to love Jacqueline in seasons 1 and 2, but I think it's clear how warped she is (and always has been, in retrospect). I thought Dena was a total BITCH, but I got a kick out of her and we really lost a lot after her exit. Danielle was a liability--a truly deranged psychopath, but she made that show most of what it was in its first two seasons. But it's Caroline Manzo who I truly find so vile. She's incredibly destructive, self-righteous and will never cop to anything. She's one the biggest bullies I have literally ever seen in my life. It's absolutely disgusting how she conducts herself and her children are coming off horrible this season, too. I am so disappointed in how destructive this show has become, lol. Not that it wasn't destructive when Danielle was being terrorized and she, in turn, was most likely plotting very insane and dangerous things against them, but there was something hilarious about it all and I was able to distance the fact that these were real people's lives. Now, it's too evident for me that real, valuable relationships are being destroyed because of reality television and someone like Teresa's personal life truly is decimated.