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Andrea Evans was definitely playing Patty when the shooting happened. She did recall the shooting, but only after her therapist had everyone act out the night in question. It all came back to her. Patty had originally intended to kill herself in front of Jack, but he begged her not to shoot herself but to shoot him instead. So she did. I think Patty moved out of the house and she and Jack separated, though may have gone to therapy during this time, though I think Jack got sick of therapy. I remember their divorce became final the same week Nikki and Victor got married. I am sure there was an episode where the wedding was still going on while Patty and Jack were in his office signing the divorce papers. Terribly unsatisfying seeing Andrea playing that scene out. Bell had been building to this for quite some time, the affair with Diane, the miscarriage, finding out Jack only married her to secure the presidency of Jabot, Patty was very isolated in the Abbott home, too proud to go to her family for support and had Jill actively working against her. all that stuff was Lilibet, I think Andrea literally took over at the time of the shooting.

I have a feeling Bell had already decided to go through the divorce and Jill being shot stories. I know he said he rarely planned ahead, but that seems like it was planned ahead. He seemed to be setting Jill up to be as nasty as possible through the divorce to make the idea of Jack or John or Kay being the one to shoot her more believable, she was more ruthless during the divorce story than any other time before. I think Liz being around would have diffused things too much. But that is just a guess.

Liz was definitely still around until at least Jan 1985, maybe a bit after. When Kay held her dinner for John and Jill and planned to show her 'Winter Cabin Memories' slides, Liz served dinner. Jill had pawned all her jewels to try to get the money to pay off Esther for the negatives and Liz was around for that story. She was definitely gone by the time John found out about the affair though in the summer of 85.

I always thought fans of the show started it online on the old newsgroups and then Bell incorporated into the show by having Phyllis say it.

Yeah but the fact Cricket, the person who saved her from Rose and was her best friend told her David threatened her and she didn't believe her, was just a little too much to buy. I could get Nina being insecure and being taken for a ride by David (at least by that point) Nina had changed, but it was frustrating to see Cricket giver her word, a woman who never lied to Nina and helped her in every way she could, be totally ignored and called a liar. That was too much. It seemed even over the top for Nina to totally throw Cricket under a bus for David.

Yeah I never thought of that, but it is true. Bell redeemed the character of Nina and made her more of a long suffering soap heroine. It took all the edge out of her and she lost her motivation, 86-88 Nina would have never fallen for David or Ryan. Re-watching a lot of the David Kimble story, I am amazed at how stupid Nina had to be to push the story.

Oh that's right, I had totally forgotten about that. Though Bell could have recast. I guess that is why he called it one of the bigger mistakes he made.

I always thought Phillip's death was rushed. He hates Nina in Jan 89, still wants to be with Cricket, by April he is married and drinking again and by end of May or start of June he is dead. I think his death might have been last week of May 89. Within a month Nina inherited everything and has moved into an apartment and is trying to hire Esther away from Kay. Almost seems like Bell just needed to get rid of Phillip and resolve everything to push other stories forward.

Janice Lynde was technically fired. Although it seemed more a case of she wasn't really happy to be there and would have left anyway but got the pink slip first, so in effect it was a mutual decision. Jon-Michael Reed reported at the time that Janice had been out with a back injury about a month before her departure, and it was implied that TPTB thought she was faking it (sounds a little like Brenda's situation, which more and more I am finding out was not all her fault).

I actually thought it might be abandoned, glad it is still being updated. I had almost all SOD's from 1976 - 1996, but I had a rat problem and they pretty much destroyed my collection.

Has everyone seen this? https://classicsodyr.tumblr.com It has almost every issue from 1975 to 1987 of Soap Opera Digest synopsis. I am pretty sure there is a tumblr page for each show. If you want to go in chronological order, follow this link https://classicsodyr.tumblr.com/tagged/y&r/chrono

Lilibet just has more complexity in her portrayal. She seems like a young girl trying to be a woman and being brought back to earth by her father. She is trying to be strong and in control, but begins to realise she isn't. I always felt Andrea was too sure of herself and a little more brittle and vampish, her Patty was quite straight forward, Lilibet seemed more nuanced. The writing was fantastic for her, I can see why Bell wanted LS to stick around, and even come back and I have to say I want to see more of her run. It is amazing between the April/May 82 episode that was floating around earlier (it was labelled Oct 82) when John is telling Patty Jack won't marry her and this later 82 episode, you can see the change in Patty, but also still see the same young woman (I think she is supposed to be 17/18) Bell and co. were doing a great job with the character, shame Lilibet left. I always heard November 1982, around Thanksgiving. I don't think she was on prior to 1982 though. Jack and John seem mostly to have been shown at Jabot through 80-81. Pretty sure the Abbott home was not even built until 1982. However, there was a scene where John caught Jack and Jill in bed together in 1981, which is partly why he left town the first time. The scene sounds like it took place in the Abbott home, however it may have also just been a corridor and room set. I wish I could see those. I do remember in the early days of yt there were heaps of 1982/1983 episodes. I remember clearly watching the Nikki/Kevin/Carolyn story more and Nikki whining to Kay all the time, lol.

Yes, that must have been where I read it. Thanks.

I could have sworn I read somewhere that Lucas left with Karen or at least at the same time, and Greg left just after Chris. It said something about him being heartbroken and leaving town. Maybe I made that up in my head to fill the gap, lol.

Wow these eps are awesome thanks to YRfan23 and ltm1997. I am going to do this episode by episode so there isn't a wall of writing. March 1982 (from synopsis most likely March 29 - Apr 2 1982) Lorie/Victor - JLB certainly seems the star of the show, Lorie is more in command in her scenes with Victor and without yelling, even when Eric goes there, JLB just owns him with her confident saunter and quiet strength. I would have preferred someone like Lorie around to cut Victor down from time to time. Leslie/Lance/Brooks - All the Leslie/Lance scenes I have seen from this time seem old fashioned compared to what else was going on on the show, almost as if Bell kept them in the past while updating the show. Lance and Leslie together must have been an anti-climax by this point, neither Janice Lynde nor John McCook were there and Lorie, though disappointed by losing Lance, just doesn't seem as invested. Feels like this should have happened a year or more earlier. At the very least I fail to understand why they shipped Lance off and left Leslie behind for another 6 months, only to have her leave GC alone, was Bell planning to keep Leslie around? She left around the last week of December 1982, the last of the old guard so to speak. I also find it odd that Brooks seems perfectly fine not to live with his "mother" Lorie, but is fine to be carted off to live with Leslie and Lance. I too wonder if Brooks knew Leslie was his mother, maybe after he rejected Lance, Leslie decided never to tell him. Nikki/Kay - Boy Nikki changed once she married Victor, she seems so young and niave here, like a little girl, I figured she would have grown more after Greg and the Cult. I could never quite connect the 70's Nikki with the mid 80's Nikki, but this helps quite a bit. It does seem once Nikki married Victor her friendship with Kay pretty much dissolved. Kay was back in Jill's world. I wish they had kept this going, I know they were friendly and visited here and there, but they seemed not to have much to do with each other post 1984, other than to catch up. I am almost certain Nikki had nothing to do with the Marge/Kay story, I know MTS wasn't talking to Jeanne, but I thought that was a bit later, like 91/92, Was it the 80's?. Lol at the nurse, about to tell the other patient Nikki is pregnant, what a big mouth. Lucas/Karen - Never knew Lucas still blamed Lorie for Vanessa's death, even after the trial. That was a surprise, I assume once Lorie got Prentiss back, Lucas changed his mind. Don't think Karen and Lucas have much chemistry, so I am surprised they end up heading out of GC together (or am I remembering wrong and they didn't)

Did you ever nail down Heather Tom's start date? I was on google groups and found a couple posts from Dec 14th 1990 that stated Victoria was shown all grown up on the previous days episode (on the phone from boarding school). So I think that settles her start date as Dec 13th 1990. They were even taking polls to see how much they (the show) would age her.

So not sure if this is well known, but I was browsing through an old NY Times paper online and it happened to be from Sep 9th 1968. I saw the tv listings and noticed Search and Light were not 30 minutes but still 15. The NY Times even had an advertisement right next to the listings advertising the change to 30 minutes that week, so I figured it might be a mistake. I checked through listings for the entire week and neither show was listed as 30 minutes until September 12th 1968 (Thursday) Add to that I checked a few other online newspapers to verify and they were all the same. I had always read Sep 9th as the date, it seems it may have happened Sep 12th. Was this common knowledge? As online, most sources state Sep 9th 1968. Not a big deal but for historical soap accuracy I like these details. Here are the listings just for those shows as seen in several papers from different parts of the country Mon Sep 9th 1968 12:30 - 1pm Search for Tomorrow (30 minute episode, Guiding Light was pre-empted) 2:30 and 4pm Art Linklater's House Party aired Tues Sep 10th 1968 12:30 - 12:45 Search for Tomorrow 12:45 - 1pm Guiding Light 2:30 - 3pm Guiding Light (30 minute ep) Wed Sep 11th 1968 12:30 - 12:45 Search for Tomorrow 12:45 - 1pm Guiding Light 2:30 and 4pm Art Linklater's House Party Thurs Sep 12th 1968 12:30 Search 2:30 Guiding Light Both 30 Min from this point on Is it possible this was a mistake or just happened in some parts and not others? I also posted this exact post in the Guiding Light topic as well.

So not sure if this is well known, but I was browsing through an old NY Times paper online and it happened to be from Sep 9th 1968. I saw the tv listings and noticed Search and Light were not 30 minutes but still 15. The NY Times even had an advertisement right next to the listings advertising the change to 30 minutes that week, so I figured it might be a mistake. I checked through listings for the entire week and neither show was listed as 30 minutes until September 12th 1968 (Thursday) Add to that I checked a few other online newspapers to verify and they were all the same. I had always read Sep 9th as the date, it seems it may have happened Sep 12th. Was this common knowledge? As online, most sources state Sep 9th 1968. Not a big deal but for historical soap accuracy I like these details. Mon Sep 9th 1968 12:30 - 1pm Search for Tomorrow (30 minute episode, Guiding Light was pre-empted) 2:30 and 4pm Art Linklater's House Party aired Tues Sep 10th 1968 12:30 - 12:45 Search for Tomorrow 12:45 - 1pm Guiding Light 2:30 - 3pm Guiding Light (30 minute ep) Wed Sep 11th 1968 12:30 - 12:45 Search for Tomorrow 12:45 - 1pm Guiding Light 2:30 and 4pm Art Linklater's House Party Thurs Sep 12th 1968 12:30 Search 2:30 Guiding Light Both 30 Minutes from this point on Is it possible this was a mistake or just happened in some parts and not others? I will also post this exact post in the Search topic as well.

Which was the one with Don Diamont's butt in it? I think that was 1996, was that the Victor getting shot episode. Funnily here in Australia those episodes aired during the day as normal (well 3 years later)

And she kept having those fake out fantasies of telling Paul the truth and him being killed. Much of it seemed so odd, since Paul's father was a police officer and Paul was a detective, Shawn probably shouldn't have had such a hold on her.

No the Stuart scenes were from 1979, she then went on to marry Derek, only to have Kay "return from the dead" and kick her out of the house on their honeymoon night. That was at the end of 1979 though, so not too long before she left. I have never seen her last scenes but from what I can tell it wasn't anything major. The Derek/Jill/Kay story had pretty much wrapped up, or at least Jill's involvement. The last little part of it had Brock hire a private investigator to spy on Jill and Derek, he recorded a conversation they had and gave the tape to Kay. Kay showed the tape to Derek and wanting to prove she trusted him she refused to listen to it and put it in a safe. Derek didn't trust her and hired a cat burglar (one Douglas Austin, lol) to swipe it, he then made a fake tape with Derek telling Jill he was devoted to Kay and didn't want to see her (Jill) anymore. Just as Derek had suspected Kay held a party and played the tape (the switched one) and he managed to con Kay a little longer. This was basically the end of Brenda's run.

Oh sorry, I meant to say the week of Feb 4th, not sure it was actually Feb 4th. Brenda's was definitely Feb 1st 1980 which was confirmed in soap press when she left, and Jill appeared the next week, so Bond was on almost straight away. Not 100% about Brenda's return date, but with the snippet above and synopsis I have read I have narrowed it down to Sep 2nd or Sep 5th. I can say definitely Dickson's last air date was Jun 23rd 1987. So the turn over was a bit mixed up. Brenda had taped ahead her shows from Monday (Jun 22nd) and Tuesday (Jun 23rd) but hadn't taped her scenes for Jun 19th. Because she was fired before doing that show Jess came on and subbed for her on that date and then took over officially from June 24th, although technically once Jess took on the role Brenda never returned. Oh cool, thanks. I wonder if Bell ever thought of bringing all Paul's family back. I think there were rumors of Patty returning in the 90's. Maybe he might have given April's story to Patty.

Deborah came on around July 1980. So Bond's Jill was around from Feb 4th till June/July. She was also the one who dated Steve Williams, Paul's never seen brother (have they even mentioned him since he left in 1981) Brenda came back either Sep 2nd or Sep 5th 1983. One of her first scenes is the one with her and Dina in the Abbott house with Jill in the red dress. Her actual first scene is on YT (about 2 seconds of it, lol) I have added below, it is actually more about Paul/Cindy and her being shot, but has Brenda's return right at the tail end.

Officially Deborah left of her own accord. She stated they gave her more story and more money, but she decided to leave anyway. Unofficially there were rumours she was fired. She did come back in 86 as a temp, so it is hard to tell which is the truth. That scene you mention is pretty much the only one I have scene of Deborah acting with more malice, all the others show Jill in softer scenes, well except when she tells Phillip off, lol. The many scenes during 83-87 of them taunting each other are classic. Unfortunately it does seem Deborah's Jill had few interactions with Kay. When she came on in 1980, Jill was in the Abbott sphere and it wasn't until 1982 when Jill was about to marry John that Kay got involved in her story again. If they had any interactions prior to that it must have been brief and not story related. Kay however did have scenes with all the Jill's (at least the on contract actresses) Not sure about Melinda Fee.

Yep it was Tammy Taylor from around Apr 1980 - Jul 1980 (approx) then Lilibet Stern Dec 1980 - Jun 1983 then Andrea Evans from around Jun 1983 - Nov 1984. Not sure the exact switch from Tammy to Lilibet, may have been less of a gap, but in synopsis Patty isn't mentioned for a few months, though she may have appeared.