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5 hours ago, AmandainNC28655 said:

Where did you find the book? Sounds like it might be an interesting read

I purchased mine from Amazon

The book has so much more for me to look at but  a couple things, to start, after skimming through it last night---

Daniel Hugh-Kelly only has two paragraphs where he speaks for himself but others do talk about him. There is still the incorrect story that he left to do Hardcastle & McCormick ---which didn't begin until 2 years after he left.

Helen Gallagher --DHK is her favorite Frank. In her2009  blog talk radio interview she had said Geoff Pierson was her favorite.

Geoff Pierson said Frank was written in shades of gray. Although it was a bit bizarre, Charlotte Greer was his favorite storyline. Frank and Jill's wedding must have been a disappointment to the fans. Geoff  (and other cast members) didn't know, and still doesn't know, why he was suddenly replaced. What was more puzzling was that he had just recently signed a new 2 year contract extension. A number of them didn't seem to care for John Sanderford that much---thought he was too much of a Hollywood actor. 

John Blazo --- He said his take on the character  worked better opposite Karen Morris and Tom McGreevy than in the Jewish/Catholic story with Nana Tucker.  He had gone to  Claire Labine's  home and had dinner a couple times and Claire helped him find a house to buy. He was fired and still doesn't know why. 

A number of actors say they don't know why they were let go

There was not any new info on Robyn Millan and Nancy Barrett's short time on the show.

 I wish the book had an index!

 

 

 

 

On 10/14/2023 at 10:21 PM, DRW50 said:

Does anyone else feel like the Prince Albert story sounds much worse than it actually was? I am normally one to criticize the movie ripoff stories, especially all the changes ABC mandated around that time, but the story was fairly quick and gave Delia a number of vulnerable moments which Randall Edwards sold well. I don't think it was much sillier than, say, the faking blindness story.

 

I thought there were some real and touching moments with the story but felt the Delia, Albert, and the tower --- and Delia being dropped from the tower ---felt more like make-believe.

As far as Delia faking blindness --- it stared out a case of hysterical blindness. Once she regained her sight, she pretended to still be blind because she knew the moment people found out she could see, Roger was going to tell Pat the truth about the timing of the real miscarriage and Pat would leave her.

On 10/14/2023 at 10:21 PM, DRW50 said:

 

Interesting that Ilene had to keep Sarah under control. I don't remember them even working together very often in the six months or so they overlapped.

Ilene also said she and Sarah shared a dressing room, so they probably had more contact that way than on camera. I was surprised that the issues with Sarah started that early on in her run.

On 10/20/2023 at 4:09 PM, chrisml said:

I think Ilene Kristen is a wonderful actress. She deserved to win for her work on OLTL when she was nominated. IF others don't like her, that's their right. There are beloved actors and storylines I don't care for. Is there a way to watch the show from the beginning, or is it just random episodes that are available to watch?

YouTube has nearly all the 1975-1981 episodes that Soapnet aired. It is pretty well covered by TheSquirrlleyGirl, 28fairplay, and shessosweet88.

 

https://www.youtube.com/@TheSquirrellyGirl/videos

28fairplay picks up with #600 

28fairplay - YouTube

shessosweet88 has from the 1270's to 1687 (the last one SN aired)

https://www.youtube.com/@shessosweet88/videos

 

 

 

I had this on in the background while I was doing other things this morning--- so  a few things ---and they will probably be more detailed in the book.


Ilene was wonderful. Great that host Michael Fairman was a fan.

Author Tom Lisante intrigued to hear about Geoff Pierson's(Frank #4) firing in book. Also, Ron Hale's 1984? almost-storyline in the book.

The Dirty Harry reason for the firing of Andrew Robinson (Frank $2)---he really wanted to win that Emmy after he was let go.

Ann Gillespie (Siobhan #2) had problems with producer Ellen Barrett, too.

We had heard Sarah Felder (Siobhan #1) was "difficult" but it was interesting that Ilene described her as unhinged and had to talk her down at times. We knew about Michael Levin's (Jack)  temper.

I didn't realize this early change in Pat from ladies' man to good guy was because of the decision to have Frank live and Frank was to be seen as the womanizer. During Malcolm Groome's (Pat #1)2008? blog talk radio interview, he also noted the change in Pat to a nice guy and said they made Pat more like Malcolm. Although, early Pat was not some great seducer of women ---more of a fun, immature, wandering fellow with playing dart with girls, and dancing, and flirting as he walked around Neurology chewing gum. (There was that terrible conversation where Pat told Bucky to ply Faith liquor to loosen her up.} Here Malcolm originally tested for Bucky and then Pat really did become Bucky.

Someone told me those blog talk radio interviews aren't working. Too bad --- they were great. Did anyone save them?

Ilene thought Patrick James Clarke (Pat #4)was the only good Pat recast. I haven't really seen a lot of his work on the show
 

I'll have to go back and listen again. I heard Tom, the author,  say they should have made Bob gay ---but I missed what led up to that comment in the conversation.

From JASON47's ratings 

8/25/86 -8/29/86

rating - 3

_________________________________________________

9/1/86-9/5/86 

Ilene Kristen (Delia) returned on September 5

rating -2.6

_________________________________________________

9/8/86 -9/12/86

Ilene's first full week back

rating -2.9

 

 

1 hour ago, JAS0N47 said:

 

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS (FAST NATIONALS): WEEK OF 8/25/86-8/29/86:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 9/1/86-9/5/86 & 9/8/86-9/12/86:

Ilene Kristen (Delia)  made her second return to Ryan's Hope on September 5th

Thank you, JASON47!

On 8/12/2023 at 6:32 PM, DRW50 said:

A few more 1982 RH promos in this (and a few from 1981)

 

Thank you! I'm glad to see these very small snippets of 1982 and have only heard about Kim's interest in Pat. 

Thanks to JASON47! for the ratings at the beginning of the 1981 writer strike

 

 

June 1- 5 1981

7.3

#5

Roger told Seneca of Kim and Michael’s affair.  Rae confronted Kim and Michael.  Michael confessed to Kim that Rae was his other paramour.  Joe ordered Sal, his messenger, to keep Michael quiet.  Kim fired a shot at Michael while Sal lurked outside.  Seneca and Jack rushed to the scene.

 

June 8- 12 1981

7.0

#6

Kim shot Michael before he was finished off by an unseen party.  Rae confessed to the murder to protect Kim.  Sal swore to Joe that he didn’t terminate Michael.  Seneca gave Kim the heave-ho.  Siobhan and Joe battled over her friendship with Jack.  Siobhan was green at seeing Delia and Joe discoing.  Wes courted Delia.  Matt and Rose warned Jack against investigating his setup.  Faith renewed ties with Maeve and Johnny.

 

June 15- 19 1981

7.0

#5

Rae admitted to Roger that Kim shot Michael, but swore Roger to secrecy.  Rae was charged with first degree murder.  Frank and Jill suspected Rae was covering up for Kim, who is staying with Maeve and Johnny.  Joe was relieved when Sal’s alibi checked out.  Joe bristled at Siobhan’s impassioned defense of Jack to the police.  Jack told Siobhan to stay out of his investigation of Michael’s misdeeds.

 

 

June 22- 26 1981

7.8

#4

Joe ordered Sal to locate Amelia, Rose’s missing daughter, in a campaign to hurt Jack.  Kim fell and hit her head during a brouhaha with Seneca.  Frank and Jill grew closer.  Bob chastised Faith for playing flirtatious games with men.  Dee disliked Cynthia Ramsey, Joe’s buxom bartender, who mixed well with Roger.  Siobhan contemplated starting a career.

 

Added

June 29 - July 3 1981

7.8

#4 

 

July 6 - July 10

7.7

#4

 

July 13 - July 1 7 1981

7.4

#5

 

July 20 - July 24, 1981

7.6

#5

 

 

 

11 hours ago, DRW50 said:

You aren't starting an argument - I think Groome probably just had no knowledge of those shows. 

I agree. He's just repeating what has been said about RH over the years.

 

5 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Is this Michael Corbett in the first ad?

 

Can't say if it's Michael, but there is a strong resemblance

Helen looked wonderful. I was afraid an hour was a little long for her, though. She couldn't remember a number of things, but that was okay - it was nice to see her again.

Some things I recall - 

Helen approached to do the show. She loved that Maeve had children gathered abound her and was the center of a loving family. She adored Claire. Alan brought up that Claire created the role of Dr. Maude on One Life to Live that Helen played but Helen said she didn't remember that role.

Helen loved Bernard Barrow(Johnny).

Helen said Malcolm Groome (Pat#1) brought humanity to the role of Pat. Malcolm originally auditioned for the role of Bucky but then they had him audition for Pat. He turned down the soap at first.

Helen said Kathleen Tolan (Mary #3)was a dear friend.

Alan played Michael Corbett's (Michael Pavel) comments about Helen for her. I haven't watched that Michael Corbett interview yet.

Helen said she's not a good cook. 

Malcolm admired Claire.

Helen said it was hard to play Mary's death. He wasn't on the show at the time but he watched it. Helen adlibbed "Have a good life " at the end of the finale.

Malcolm had acted/worked with Faith Catlin (Faith #1)in North Carolina before RH. Someone asked about Faith being fired. Malcolm said he and  the others didn't really understand it. He didn't think Faith understood , either. 

Blowing up the bar bothered Helen.

Malcolm was in acting class with Nancy Addison(Jill) . Maclolm is close to Andrew Robinson (Frank #2) and still sees him and Andrew's wife. 

Helen said the  show was rumored to be cancelled long before it was dropped.

Malcolm said Maeve was the moral center of the show and as the years went by Maeve and Johnny became more accepting. Helen agreed.

Alan asked about practical jokes on the set. Rose Alaio (Rose) sent a message that Daniel Hugh Kelly (Frank #3)was a prankster.

Malcolm's 17 year old cat made an appearance.

They agreed that the legacy of the show was family.

Helen's mother lived to 101 years old.

I hope Carl will help fill in some details. (Fingers crossed)

On 6/25/2023 at 3:47 AM, DRW50 said:

 

Thanks! I didn't realize he was still on the show in June of 1982. Too bad they didn't show a 1982 clip of his instead of the 1981 slip with Ann Gillespie.  He probably would have worked with Marg's Siobhan in '82.

18 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Some rare 1982 promos here.

 

Thanks, again! Nice to see a bit of 1982.

22 hours ago, Chris 2 said:

I understand that Daniel Hugh Kelly signed a new contract with the show in January 1981, when his original contract was up. His new contract included an “out” to do a primetime show, and he took advantage of that in the fall of 81, when he left to do “Chicago Story”. The producers left the role open in case Kelly’s new show quickly failed and he wanted to return. It did, but he didn’t.

Thanks! I recall Louise said that Frank was to have been part of the Merit Kara story and they had do a big rewrite with DHK's sudden departure.

I mentioned this blurb in the 1980's ratings thread. Not sure what the date of the column - which said show was experiencing ratings trouble.

I was most curious about the big CP party ratings.

Ratings from Jason's posts. 

3-24 /6.7

3-31/7.3

4-7/7.3

4-14/6.5

4-21/6.8

4-28/6.7

5-5/5.3 End of the week was Crystal Palace opening

5-12/6.6   Continuation of Crystal Palace opening

5-19/6.1  End of Tiso and big Jack/Siobhan/Joe scenes

5-26/6.3

6-2/6.4

6-9/6.1

6-16/6.4

6-23/6.8

6-30/6.5 Sarah's last episode 7/1

7-7/6.5

 

On 5/29/2023 at 4:05 PM, dc11786 said:

 

I think contracts ran out as the strike went on. Daniel Hugh Kelly left when his contract was up  

Unless some new information has surfaced, 10 or 15 years ago Louise Shaffer (Rae) had said Daniel had an out clause in his contract and he could leave at any time with little or no notice and that was  what he did when the strike ended. He left to star in a  prime time series (columns said different shows - either Murder Ink or Chicago Story).

4 hours ago, JAS0N47 said:

FROM THE VAULT: WEEKLY DAYTIME NIELSEN RATINGS: WEEKS OF 5/12/80-5/16/80 & 5/19/80-5/23/80:

 

 

 

Ryan's Hope - I was wondering how the ratings were for the opening of the Crystal Palace and the celebrity guests (Otto Preminger, Van Johnson, and Betsy Palmer) at the party the week of the 12th. Another story was building up, and the following week of May 19th was the end of Tiso and big with Jack/Siobhan/Joe.  I recall a column, sometime near this time, and the same column that announced that Sarah Felder was let go,  also said the show was having "ratings trouble".

 

MAY 12 - MAY 16, 1980
RYAN'S HOPE

Dee threatened to sue Faith for prescribing the wrong medication for little John when she was drunk. Kim continued to use Michael to make Seneca jealous. Frank and Jill argued over Jill's work priorities. Dee introduced Rae to everyone as Roger's lover at the successful opening of the Crystal Palace.

MAY 19 - MAY 23, 1980

Jack was wounded before he broke Tiso's neck. Siobhan refused to run off with Joe, who split after swearing he wasn't involved in Mary's murder. Siobhan retaliated that his drug business was the cause. Barry convinced Dee not to sue Faith. Frank talked Faith out of resigning since little John is mending. Joe was reported murdered. Kim lied to Michael that Seneca had led her down the garden path.
 

On 5/17/2023 at 4:58 PM, DRW50 said:

 

Richard also said that when actors were fired, they were given Tiffany boxes. He said that he'd already been fired from soaps twice up to that point and this was his best firing. Rose mentioned that Louise Shaffer (I think?) later told her by the time she was fired they'd stopped giving the boxes, and that Rose was right about the party being stupid.

 

I think those gift boxes may have been given out by Labine & Mayer and they weren't with the show when Louise was fired.  

41 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

I love honest talk about how things really were backstage.  And I do think Rose and Karen were both correct in their assessment of Ellen Barrett..because bosses do have favorites and people they bully.

 

Yes - and the ones who are favored often don't even realize, or notice, the bullying the others are subjected to

@DRW50 Thank you for filling in some details - there is always so much to remember.  I thought there would be more said about Michael Levin.

I had suspected that, among that foursome,  Rose and Gordon would be the talkers.

Another good reunion. Rose sound issues resolved. Some of her comments were things she told the Soapnet forum.


Some comments ( that I can remember)

Heard before that Gordon didn't feel his storyline belonged on Ryan's Hope.

Already knew that Merit Karah was Claire (and Paul) idea. ABC backed the story.

Gordon was so thin on RH that some thought he was on drugs - he said he was just happy. He didn't want a going away party.

Richard had done a play with Kate Mulgrew in 1975. Michael Levin was also in that theater group.

Karen was hired when the show had to scramble and find a new Faith quickly when Catherine Hicks landed a role on Broadway.

Many actors helped newcomer Karen and felt like family to her.

Karen said the cast and crew loved producer Ellen Barrett.

Rose was the last contract player under Labine & Mayer. She was going to be replaced after the first month and I don't think she explained what changed the shows minds.


Ellen Barrett was a bully to Rose. (This is what we heard on the SN board. There were other actors who felt the same)

She mentioned the incest story with Rose and her father.

Rose was asked to take a pay cut for the fist year. This was a sign to her that she wasn't going to be on the show more than a year.

Rose said that Earl Hindman took a pay cut.

Rose had previously auditioned for GH and The Edge of Night before being on RH.

Gloria Monty told Rose "Don't trip over the wire"

Rose and Ron Hale were close.

Rose told of Roscoe Born's first day and how his scene to 27 takes.

Rose said the Rh taping schedule was torture.

Karen thought the taping reminded her of theater.

Rose explained that she didn't like how they had to stop while the camera was moved onto the next scene (different set and actors) to film and had to wait around to get back to continue your scene. Especially hard if you were doing an emotional scene.

Richard said Trent Jones didn't want to be killed off. Trent once  wore a T-shirt that said Ken George Jones and The Inoperable Tumors.

Gordon shared Dynasty memories and Joan Collins thought he was too old to play her son.

Richard shared As the World Turns head writing memories.

Karen said it was easier to play drunk Faith than sweet Faith. She missed acting but not enough to return. Her kids did not want to act.

Rose shared memories of Guiding Light.

Rose didn't stay for her party after she was fired. Her going away party was also for Michael Corbett (also fired)

She said Sarah Felder was very upset about being fired (for not being a romantic lead) and Sarah let them have it at her going away party.






 

Another Ryan’s Hope reunion live in The Locher Room on Wednesday, May 17th at 3 p.m. EST / 12 p.m. PST. This reunion salutes the 1980 – 81 years featuring Rose Alaio (private eye Rose Pearse), Richard Backus (the two-timing Barry Ryan), Gordon Thomson (Egyptologist Aristotle Benedict-White) and Karen Morris Gowdy (Dr. Faith Coleridge).
 

 

23 hours ago, DRW50 said:

The uploader seems to have put live just to indicate these are recordings from the original airings, rather than a live episode.

Okay! Thanks!

10 hours ago, gimmetoo said:

Jimmy Wlcek and Catherine Larson were romantically involved off-camera as well.

He was also involved with his other RH  co-star Maria Pitillo (Nancy Don) 

3 hours ago, DRW50 said:

@safe @slick jones @Paul Raven @victoria foxton 

Partial episode. This has full cast credits. I do not know if this episode is already available the way many 1987 episodes are as I haven't watched a ton of them. If it is, my apologies.

 

Thank you! I'm not that familiar with those episodes, either. This is news to me that Ryan's Hope ever did a live broadcast! Wonder what the circumstances were that led to them going live. Can't wait to give a look when I get the chance.

 

Patrick James Clarke might have been working as Pat #4. Labine & Mayer were the ones that wanted Malcolm Groome back when they rejoined the show. Though glad to have Malcolm Groome back, magazines were sorry to seem Jimmy Clarke go. On the Soapnet board, for those who started watching after 1979 and before 1983, Jimmy Clarke was their first Pat and they really liked him.

The recasting let up a bit as the show went on. While they recast Frank and Siobhan, they brought Roscoe Born back for a short stint, to kill off Joe instead of recasting the character,  after Walt Willey. If it is true the network saw Pat as a secondary character, that could be why they didn't recast after Malcolm Groome left for the second time.  The show didn't recast characters like Rick (Grank Show) or Maggie (Cali Timmons). I wonder if they would have eventually given in and recast Jill.  Shortly before the show was cancelled, a newspaper article said the show asked Nancy Addison to return and she declined. Jill was gone for a year and some decision had to be made about keeping Jill  and baby Mary separated from Frank for so long. 

 

 

Someone put 2 of the  Soapnet episodes up that were missing on YouTube

#23

#24