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1 hour ago, Dr Neil Curtis said:

I assume that Kate was just collateral damage for Megan. I understood why Milo went after her, but Megan doesn’t even know Kate… unless ReRon make up some lame back story. 

Apparently Megan became pregnant by Bo & was going to have an abortion but Roman talked her out of it, so that is a Roman historical connection, which could lead to Kate. 

30 minutes ago, xtr said:

... . Laura is treating her very kindly right now and I do wonder if they will bond more. I've seen people speculate she could end up living with Laura and Kevin for the time being with baby Ace. I could see that happening. 

She lived with them once before. I think "Ace" is the first fragment of memory returning. She referred to the unborn baby as Ace. 

On 2/24/2023 at 7:38 PM, DRW50 said:

20 hours ago, jam6242 said:

She also wrote for a number of soaps, including Guiding Light, As the World Turns, Edge of Night, Search for Tomorrow, The Secret Storm and Love of Life

Using the pseudonym Gillian Houghton she was HW for EON & GL. Using her own name Gabrielle Upton she was HW for LOL, The Secret Storm & SFT. Oddly she died Sep 13, 2022 & this is just now being reported. Specifically at Love of Life she came in & solved some problems & rehabbed the ailing soap, already rumored to be cancelled next after The Secret Storm. However, Jean Holloway came in at LOL immediately after her & undid everything she & others had done & the show was indeed cancelled then, with Ann Marcus the last HW trying to undo what Hollloway did. I've never seen her credits for ATWT. I'll have to look for that today. She was only at SFT a brief time. To find all of her credits you have to consult Chris Schemering 1987. She just had a birthday. Well, obviously she didn't actually but it was posted & celebrated, is what I mean. 

Okay, I believe the article to be wrong in two ways. There is no sign that she wrote for ATWT. And, she definitely did not begin at GL in 1952, the year the show began. She was one of the HWs who came in after Agnes left for AW, which was in 1965. 

4 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

I forgot to mention Kate talking to Paulina through the urn. ⚱️

Jackee widened her eyes to the max! So well done. 

4 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

Besides the silliness with the kitchen appliances and utensils. We had Kayla and Marlena eating Ambrosia . While Kate drank a Martini and Nick played video games in Heaven.  

Oh, and it was an obvious gag that Kate couldn't believe Marlena was eating Muesli! 

25 minutes ago, KLN said:

They CHOOSE tacky every time.

I have this goofy little theory that there's something wrong with Ron's sense of what is comedic & that he is always always always going to choose whatever he thinks is funny because he believes that strongly that soaps should do funny. Well, I like soaps to do comedy, too, but that doesn't mean cheap tacky off-color lunacy! 

43 minutes ago, j swift said:

However, the Ava/Spencer scene where she was given all of the exposition to explain Ryan and Esme's relationship and how that motivated the plot to terrorize Ava was really well done.  Of course, it is slightly unrealistic that after going through her own trauma, and looking for Austin to hide her own crimes, that Ava would take the time to sensitively tie everything up for Spencer.  But, as a viewer I found it helpful to understand the plot.

I just finished watching that & it was really well written & the two of them, of course, did it full justice. 

I am very bothered by Laura being so sympathetic to Esme! Especially because she thinks of Cam as family & what Esme did to Cam was horrible! 

39 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Didn’t Agnes notoriously try to edit actual scripts/dialogue as well? Patrick Mulcahey said she was like a school marm at Loving giving him copious (and annoying to him) notes in red ink on his scripts. 

At LOVING did Patrick Mulcahey happen to say what happened between Douglas Marland & Agnes Nixon that resulted in his leaving the show & after a year their taking his Co-Creator credit off?

4 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

 

  

Oh, just blast it! The stupid Sarah Horton spoiler turns out to be true. 

I just read from SoapHub that Wendy invites Tripp to move in with her, so she must find a place & need a roomie to carry the weight. That's my speculation. Joey apparently takes it that Tripp is gonna get loving. 

3 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

Though...and I say this again...Heather as Hook is soooo anticlimactic. I am happy to see that I am not the only one hoping there is another twist coming. 

I was told that the writers just screwed up again, didn't know who it was when they began & made it up as they went along & that this is just IT, Heather! I'm just sick about it. I'm even hoping he was lying to me. 

Otherwise, someone on #SoapTwitter posted this lovely 'Sprina, story of love'. Enjoy it & don't think about the blasted Hook! The tweeter was @createdvoidx 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1628786705451872256

15 minutes ago, Broderick said:

I can't even imagine being Harding Lemay when "Another World" went to 90-minutes. 

No kidding! And, at that point he was already dissatisfied with the expansion to an hour & had not at all gotten what he'd hoped out of the hour show. 

"Then there's the current craze: expanding serials to an hour. It took serials 11 years to fully master the half-hour. ATWT and EON were the pioneers in 1956 & the cycle was completed in 1967 when SFT & GL finally went to 30 minutes. A half-hour seemed the ideal length for serials, but once the hour was tried with AW, the networks were impressed that the ad revenue would be greater if they simply expanded their most popular shows. An understandable notion, but it is not working." - Pete Lemay

This is strictly historical but, God, how many men & women must he have had in lust with him when he was a young man in Hollywood, Wesley Eure. 

19 minutes ago, janea4old said:

So why did we as viewers need to endure all that crap?

Wasn't it just 7 episodes? I suppose I could be off on the count but my point is that there really wasn't a lot of it. Once every 8 days in Jan-Feb. I'd gladly sit through it instead of, say, cellphonegate. 

14 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

How are they explaining that Kate has been cremated? 

I think all they've said is that it's not Kate's ashes. They're someone else's, some unknown person. Basically, yeah, we could have guessed that. 

19 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

That awful Sarah as Renee mess was his idea.

Well he should be fired for that alone. 

9 minutes ago, janea4old said:

I'm just saying that rapemance *ought to be* a fireable offence.  It apparently isn't, but it should be.  If it were, it would be a way to get rid of him.

That's a great idea but with the history in the industry as to rape, violence against women, sympathetic portrayals of rapists as romantic figures, ... we couldn't be further away from it. 

15 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

That’s the thing too. Most of the social media response to this show is VERY negative. And that goes for the people who we’d perceive as Y&R’s core viewers. Clearly they just don’t care and are just managing for margins/running out the clock.

Naturally, as is usually the case, fan do not know who behind the scenes is actually exerting power & influence over what happens on their screens. When they look for someone to blame for their frustration & dissatisfaction with what is & is not happening, its easiest to blame JG. The buck tends to stop with the HW. Sure, it could be CBS. Sure, it could be Sony. Sure, it could be that the process no longer serves effectively even if it did in the past. But, the very fact that so many fans are so unhappy & so many echo the same concerns, that it is likely that something is very wrong & needs fixing. There is a tendency among execs to be suspicious of fans online because they think they're driven by negativity, that it's more cool to post complaints than satisfaction but I recall that in the past Y&R fans stood out in their positive posts & compliments. I believe that this traditionally #1 soap is at a crisis point & that the show needs to find something to try & I don't think this week is an example of constructive action. I've always been suspicious that the writing process was flawed. Many people at many times have spoken of the difficulty of writing by committee. We only have 4 soaps left. I think everyone is afraid of the possibility of that changing to 3. Personally I think that they need a new HW & a new EP & that they be separate, two individuals. 

27 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

It was the first time she arrived on a show and I thought a it started to look worse under her as EP.  

Respectfully, I thought she ruined the look of AW. I won't go into detail because it's off topic but I'll just make that nod. 

15 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

Fortunately for viewers, Michael Zaslow was brilliant enough to bring nuance to any material.

I personally think he was the singular, distinct best villain in all of soaps. 

8 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

I truly treasure the fact that this day exists. 

5 minutes ago, kalbir said:

So Roger was more of an anti-hero than a full-on villain?

I believe that Roger was a villain, a villain of the highest calibre. 

5 hours ago, dragonflies said:

YR is renewed through 2024 will it go past that..?

Ya know a soap can be cancelled before the end of the contract term. If they have goals they're supposed to be meeting, like ratings but not only that, & they're not hitting those numbers, they can get the axe early. AW was cancelled before their calendar date by months only & GEN was cancelled at 2 yr mark when their contract was for 3 yrs., so they lost a whole year which they really could have used! I think BEACH was "gypped" out of part of a year, too. However, that is all NBC. And, all while Susan D. Lee was head of daytime there. 

10 minutes ago, Franko said:

Apologies if we've seen this one before. It's another non-storyline-related promo. I kinda like that NBC did these sort of vignette ads. Maybe I'll find one not related to a couple, like, say, of Mike in a medical situation or Victor scheming?

 

OH, I like that! Except for the shoulder pads & big hair, I thought soaps were good in the 80s. 

21 minutes ago, StevieM said:

there any doubt that Jason would have been the one to finish him off if Steve Burton was still on the show?

Beats me! I never even think about Jason. 

The other day some of us talked about whether DOOL is worse now, or was worse a year ago, or is about the same. My FB Memories provided me with my philosophy for watching a year ago: Feb. 23, 2022, 

22 minutes ago, Broderick said:

Kay Alden indicated she not only had to submit storyline projections to SONY and CBS, and also the outlines themselves.  That's really overkill, as far as network/production oversight.  

(Henry Slesar from "Edge of Night" was another head writer who did his own outlines and some of his own dialogue, in the days when there wasn't so much oversight.  He was always listed as "Story by Henry Slesar.  Teleplays by Henry Slesar and Steve Lehrman.") 

Pete indicated that once a script was written it would have to be vetted by the network, the sponsor, etc. & network "notes" were routine & would require that then the script be rewritten! Micromanaging. 

And at a point nearer the end of his life than during his period of greatest activity in writing, he did a multi-part interview with We Love Soaps Net. In one segment the interviewer seemed to cover two things. (1) The dirty trick P&G pulled in withdrawing their support for his "Michael comes out" gay storyline & (2) the murder of Frankie Frame. About Frankie the interview took the tack that Lemay had created the Frame family so would be interested that one of his folk had been killed off. Lemay expressed that they would never have murdered anyone although they did kill off Val Dufour's Walter Curtin in a car accident. You could tell he was horrified at this modern idea that you had one character you wrote murder another character you wrote. No, the old legends would not fare well today. Whoever said that, yeah, right on.