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Unpopular opinion, but I think it's time for Lisa to go. She's clearly over the show and has no real interest in any of these women. Why waste the money on her when they've finally got a great cast that could easily survive without her? Especially if they could get Camille to come back full time.

I agree. I would not miss her at this point. Let her reign on Vanderpump Rules.

Without Kim and Brandi, what would be the drama on this show?

Half of my love of Eileen is due to her reactions to and shade at Brandi so she needs to keep on sending those invites. I love that dynamic so far. Her reaction to all these quacks is good, TBH.

Kim. I don't think being off this show would change things for her. Without the show, she'd still be dealing with the issues she is - daughter leaving for college, Monty's illness. Also, the guest appearance by Kathy where she's loving on Kim and wanting to kill Kyle with her eyes is everything. I need to know the back story with these sisters. I do hate when the show does things like they did today - the wine tasting. The wine tasting makes me feel like the entire show is highly fabricated because all these b-tches knew that was going to happen and signed off on it. None of them are that insensitive.

Kim was so drunk tonight - that's not a pain pill.

When Kim's high, to be frank, I'm not sure what it is. It doesn't seem like pain pills or alcohol. It seems like something more hardcore. Mixing?

Brandi sucks - sure, she was trying to look out for Kim, but Kyle is her sister and Kim made the decision to go back and say goodnight and then make a comment to her...

IMO, Kyle being Kim's sister doesn't mean she's doing the right thing concerning her at all times. Brandi, as drunk as she was, was not going to let Kim drink as long as she was paying attention to her in her own drunk state. Kim wasn't going to go anywhere with Kyle. If Kim was going to go home and drink or pop pills, she was going to do it with or without either of them. Somebody got scratched and unnecessary chit broke out. Eh. I really do hope that's the last time Kim is this f--ked up this season. I mean while it makes for drama, meh, it's sad.

Speaking of addicts. I go back and forth with Brandi. She's like the HW who has a bottle of wine each day until one day they're walking out a restaurant with their ta... well you know the story. I hope she gets it together with her drinking as well. She's a lot more chill, even with the filthy abrasiveness, when she's not drinking.

I liked the episode with less Vanderpump as the story is always about trying to kiss her a-- or how she thinks this and that one is an a--.

Everybody shading Brandi about her filthy mouth and whine throwing was funny. She took it well.

Eileen's reaction to these crazy bitches is gold, lol.

I feel like Lisa R is trying a little too hard to be shady in the same vein that Brandi tries to hard to not have any type of filter.

Those (high) bitches having stupid fights at the card game was alternatively funny and bizarre.

The car rides. The Brandi and Kyle ride was actually nice. The Lisa and Kim ride ... Kim was definitely off.

What I don't understand about Kyle is that she almost relishes making a scene on camera whenever Kim is having a fall. How is that actual love or caring? She's your sister, not someone to create story for yourself off of. Hopefully this is just a momentary thing with Kim because she hasn't seemed this off (the car ride) since she was having a substance issue. I hope she goes to a meeting and just starts over. I felt bad for her during that wine tasting fiasco.

I feel a little bad for Bella and Yolanda's non-Gigi children. I feel like Yolanda is pointing out how much more successful Gigi is a little too much.

Phaedra going in on Demetria for no reason at all and Nene and Toyota supporting it? Bunch of idiots.

Nene thinks she can just shut people up by acting like a screaming hyena. Claudia's reading - so far - wasn't as good as publicized but she stayed winning by not turning into the exorcist like a certain broom-head at the table.

Even then, Kim and Kyle don't matter.

Loved this weeks Beverly Hills! As trashy as that gutter slut Brandi is she definitely does add some spice to the show. At times I find myself forgetting how much I hate her. I just don't understand why she decided to go so extreme with her antics. It's not endearing nor cute at all. Yolanda can gargle lemon pledge. Loved Lisa R warning Brandi that she will get trailer trash right back with her if it comes to it. Eileen is so classy! Although I was hoping she'd get crunk once the wine was thrown. Loved Ken ditching Yolanduh's. Just like Lisa pointed out in her blog, not only did she accuse him of abusing her but she also said her husband would never hang out with the likes of him. [!@#$%^&*] both of those egotistical assholes. If I were Vanderfabulous I wouldn't of even bothered gracing that rich mans incubator with my presence either. But I guess a contract's a contract.

I don't dislike Brandi on the actual series, so far, this season. As much as I tried to defend her last season, I did pretty much dislike her last season if I'm being honest IN that I found her really hard to watch. I like that she felt ashamed after throwing the drink although she may never fully admit it. Eileen (from the beginning), Lisa R (now) and Lisa V all sticking their nose up at her sort of puts her in a position I like her to be in. Giving Eileen a gift with the apology was almost as strange as throwing the liquor in her face. Brandi being a bit soap fan "crazy" is a new angle and I like new. If Brandi makes it to next season I want her to somehow be able to have her sons on the show.

Lisa and Eileen are great additions to the show and I don't say that because I think both are sunshine and rainbows. I just think they're both interesting "characters." Eileen has this aloof thing about her. Lisa is the opposite that's why it'll be interesting to see her crack.

TBH, Lisa V and Kyle are boring me. Kyle, this season, is only their to analyze what Queen Lisa would or would not like (and to eventually harass Kim?). She should only air when Kathy is their to dismiss her, lol. Lisa in a sticky pair of bitter shade panties. Let me add Yolanda into this mix with her constantly "subtly" taking swipes at Lisa's version of friendship. STFU ladies. It's boring. Andy needs to kill the storyline.

I don't know if WWHL was discussed but I can't wait to see if Jeff Lewis goes along with Brandi's story (that it was a prank). I thought it was an act EXCEPT for Jeff's reaction - minus the book/books exchange. The book/books exchange along with Brandi's transparent acting screamed act.

RHOA

Claudia better get to dragging Nene. Good start. Nene trying to shade people with that broom on her head in the talking heads? Pshaw.

Not only do I hope TPH runs away with every award from here to eternity

She's really perfection. Cookie is everything and then some.

It's still early, but FOX hasn't released a series this good in years. The show is completely enthralling and it's a total soap opera but that isn't a bad thing at all when it's done right.

I loved that it's essentially based on a really complicated family and their business(es). No matter the zig-zags, it will always come back to that I trust.

I was actually watching the premiere with my mother, and when 10:02 came she was all "put it back on [Empire]" and she usually hates on almost every single thing on television.

Really entertaining new series. Lots of drama coming from every angle imaginable. I like. I do chuckle at the flashbacks of life 15+ years ago with them parents looking exactly the same age as they do in present time.

I do not dislike Brandi like the majority here. I think most of her bullchit on RHOBH is performance. Hyper-reality. Hustling. IMO, going about hustling in a stupid way.

That said, Eileen should have went Kristen Dimera on Brandi for that and slapped the b-tch. Gurl, she ain't your performing seal and you know, dang well as you stated it, that the other soap actress at the table would have paid you to let her perform. I was enjoying the Eileen and Brandi dynamic with Eileen sticking up her nose and Brandi not quite catching it. This might change the dynamic altogether. Eileen looks upset, like she's thisclose to crying - not like she's going to slap. I would say this is what Yolanda and Lisa V were lecturing Brandi about in the pre-season YT clips (circa Amsterdam) that got out but I'll just assume Brandi upsets Eileen again or Lisa R because THAT would be the educated deduction.

Celebrity Apprentice, RH version. I'll leave most of my impression for the CA thread if it's alive. I don't dislike Kenya, so far. She comes off bitchy but surprisingly intelligent. Brandi hasn't left an impression on me so far. I didn't get her calling Kate lazy. Kate was not very good in the selling part but Kate was doing her thang in the kitchen.

Lisa, Lisa, Lisa. She, she, and her are vile and have a fake marriage (because she, she and her don't like Lisa). The adoration is pretty intense. Lisa the eternal wronged victim vs. basically everybody STORYLINE really bores the chit out of me. Deep down, Kyle, Kim, Brandi and Yolanda will never really like Lisa how they used to in the same way Lisa won't feel the same about any of them. It's a load of resentment on every side that ain't really going nowhere. Brandi was being sarcastic with the very crass oral sex comment towards Lisa.

Yolanda. I really don't think she cares about this chit with Lisa - meaning having a friendship, invites. She just likes pointing it out to "help" others see Lisa for who she believes she is in the same way she has been trying to do this from nearly the beginning of her time on RHOBH. She started with Kim and Lisa, it was subtle but... But like I said I'm so over the chit.

I'm enjoying Eileen a little more than Lisa Rinna as a personality but I like Lisa more than Eileen as a really chill person (she's honest about who she is minus acting like she didn't watch this show before she was cast - read: going along with Eileen and acting like she needs a Brandi/Lisa recap). Eileen is shady and kind of a chit stirrer - the looks, the straight forwardness. She reminds me of Camille. I like that she's still feeling everybody out and hasn't exactly stuck to anybody. Both ladies are definitely upgrades from what we got last year.

Eileen is definitely sticking the nose up at Brandi - intentionally or unintentionally. I can't say Brandi doesn't call for that with that filthy mouth. The shade is going a tiny bit over Brandi's head so far. It makes for a kind of fun, new dynamic to this set.

Kyle is such a non entity so far this season.

Brandi and that potty mouth in that preview. Gurl unless you're having a serious conversation with your toilet - STFU! My mother curses like a sailor and even she doesn't just put it out like that.

I was internet shopping (read:distracted) while viewing but enjoyed much of what I saw.

Brandi the soap opera shipper. I like because it's a new side of her. From what I know of her DAYS addiction, she's a big John and Marlena fan. The thing I don't get is she calls John by the name Roman but doesn't know Lisa Rinna was the first Billie? Her going hard on Eileen in that debate had me almost LOL. Ah, $100 down the drain. It'll be interesting to see how this dynamic continues to unfold.

That Andy and Brandi interview was kind of fun. I like that they both have no issue making the other feel really uncomfortable. I like Brandi in most interviews when she's not whining. She sort of needs a Kim-like infusion storyline wise - no wonder she's "okay" with LeAnn coming aboard - opens the door for her kids to be allowed to air and more storylines in general.

It's really strange that the RHOBH think Andy likes Lisa most when he goes to town on her HARD at every reunion. Maybe they think he gets her a good edit, I guess.

Kim was quite likeable in this episode as it emerges that she and Monty have a complicated history (his second ex-wife was getting her makeup done with Kim and all seemed cordial) and she's done a lot for him. It appears Kim has a few crosses to bear, which is likely why she's been such a messy drunk and ridiculously bad dog owner in the past...but she has many redeeming features. Kyle, of course, tried to make the wedding as much about her as it was about Kim, Monty and their daughter. The highlight of the wedding scenes, aside from the positively beaming groom, was Kathy Hilton looming on her front steps, looking like the classic Beverly Hills matron, coldly blanking Kyle while telling Kim she was doing great. That was just too delicious for words. Kathy just seems to loathe Kyle. If ever someone deserved Special Guest Star billing, it is Kathy Hilton.

The dynamic between the three of them is EVERYTHING.

Kyle acts like she supports Kim while not so secretly wanting to see her fail and getting her wish all too often. Meanwhile, Kathy - the queen of this band of sisters - really loves Kim and doesn't seem to care much about the "put together," and thirsty one of her siblings, Kyle.

So happy Kathy has been willing to participate more this season. I don't want her to become a full-pledged regular because too much reality TV ruins the mystique.

Kathy and the inclusion of Kim's immediate family - the sick ex and her newlywed daughter - has really infused Kim's entire storyline.

Kim and Yolanda were the ones you'd figure would be the least alluring storyline wise going into this season but so far their storylines have had the most pop.

Kyle talking about sh-t stirring surrounding Lisa is like her standing inside a glass house and throwing stones. Cut, cut, slice, slice, shatter.

I didn't say Lisa is pressed for friends, I said with great consistency she tends to run into issues of friends disliking or resenting her. Lets look at the two seasons prior to this season:

Yolanda disliked or resented her

Kyle disliked or resented her

Kim disliked or resented her

Adrienne disliked or resented her

I believe Taylor also disliked or resented her

^ all before Brandi had it with her

Sure, one take can be because they're all just jealous at the perfection. The other take can be maybe some of her habits as a friend are as off-putting as some of their habits as friends.

ETA:

Okay, I do still wanna see Sharon drag Joyce, as morbid as that sounds.

Joyce could use a good dragging or 15.

RIP, Sharon.

Reading up-thread. A physical fight? Yikes. Hopefully Sharon won that.

Sure you didn't say that but it's the impression left IMO. You are, more or less, pretty clearly saying Kyle shouldn't be friends with Brandi because Lisa doesn't like Brandi and that is what should be Kyle's predominant concern. <-- This is part of the reason why a lot of Lisa's friends end up disliking or resenting her because IMO she expects the same to a certain degree.

I disagree with you on the phone turn around situation as well.

I LOVED how Lisa paid Brandi's bum ass in dust. Lisa's reaction had me rolling. And Kyle is an idiot. Why insert yourself in Brandi/Lisa's issues [by allowing Brandi to use your phone] when your relationship with Lisa is still shaky?

God forbid she dare communicate with somebody the holy spirit Lisa doesn't like. I mean, all that matters in life is Lisa's blessing.

Kyle didn't want to be straight out rude and flat our refuse a kind-of friend who found herself in a not so great predicament.

Lisa blaming Brandi for turning the women against her is nonsense, even if you put the magazine story directly in the fold. Almost every single one of these women were seriously irritated by Lisa and the way they felt she behaved/behaves before Brandi was even dreaming of being upset at her.

Two of the lesser Housewives stood out to me in this episode: Yolanda and Kim. I felt for both of them. Yolanda always looks exhausted which makes me feel bad for her. I felt her on missing home and her ill mother. I felt Kim on taking care of her very ill ex-husband and the father of her daughter. Enjoyed seeing Kathy Hilton. She's interesting. The Kathy/Kim/Kyle dynamic is interesting. It's clear from Kyle's talking heads that Kathy likes Kim more than Kyle. No wonder Kyle almost has an inherent urge to see Kim fail at life as Kim is the favorite of the alpha, super-rich, super-successful sister. Great family dynamics at play with both Kim and Yolanda in this episode.

Lisa Rinna continues to be cute. She's so likable and seems like the opposite of a crap-stirrer, IMO ... a little annoying but likable. It'll be interesting to see how in the heck conflict arises with her and any of these cast members.

Slow roll in for Eileen.

This is my first season watching.

I had the feeling Dawn was going to be killed all episode long. I was shocked that Beth was included in that death scenario.

I get why Beth was not happy with Dawn but I don't get why she stabbed Dawn. That only could have ended badly.

Yet I can't help wondering if he hadn't killed Bad Bob, would they have accepted him as a trade for Noah? Or would it never have worked out?

That's a good point. I think Dawn wanted Beth to stay with her though so she would have tried to take Noah from Beth - as payback for being abandoned - regardless. My thinking even from the beginning of that scene was that it was not smart to bring Noah into that trade-off in the first place.

Dawn's reaction to shooting Beth threw me off too. She seemed shocked, like she didn't mean to. I was looking around to see if their was another shooter. Looking at this gif of the scene, I feel like she accidentally pulled the trigger upon being stabbed.

Way too easy for some to think that Maggie only cared about Glen.

I had no idea Beth was anything to Maggie until the reaction scene as Daryl carried Beth's body out. Good acting by everybody in those scenes.

Carlton went after Kyle for the dumbest things. It's a big part of the reason I actually didn't dislike Kyle last season. Carlton didn't bother me either but she really was just going after Kyle for daring to breathe.

Brandi's going after Lisa for "fur" on Twitter. She probably picked that up on some website she paid 7.99 to get a 14 day free trial from. I think I've finally reached the end of my giving a damb rope with this messy mess. Feed her to the lions if you will.

Kenya going after Nene on her looks is wrong but I chuckled. I'm enjoying Kenya's snark on Twitter. It's unfortunate she can't be as on the ball at reunions.

Mr. Vixen is right about Cynthia being confused with terminology quite a bit during the confrontation with Toyota. I was still rooting for Cynthia. Despite her confusion, as I said before, I thought she came off on top easily.

Gather ha Cynthia! YAAAASSSSSS!

Cynthia still seems a lil bit rough with her gatherings and readings but overall she handled Mitsubishi well. Mitsubishi thinks she's so hardcore just because she literally dragged a chick. Whatevs, don't let the door hit you.

Nene going in for Claudia with the swiftness? This chick talks about women not supporting women and is always on the prowl to talk down about her fellow cast-mates unless they've almost literally rented an apartment in her a--. I can't wait for Claudia to get her.

Brandi whining about Lisa and her crew being an old ladies version of the mean girls ostracizing her bc Lisa said so. Huh? Does she not recall every one of the remaining cast members turned on Lisa and are cool with Brandi?

That wasn't really Brandi's fault. Not that you stated it was. The ladies were dis-tasting for Lisa way back when Brandi was Team Nobody and leaning towards Team Lisa. Kyle, Adrienne, Yolanda, and Kim - and I think even Camille and Taylor - all clearly had a distaste for Lisa before Brandi began to. Lisa gets the reaction she sometimes gets from these ladies because of being Lisa - the good parts (them wanting to be friends with her), and the bad parts (them resenting her) of Lisa.

Now, I don't think Brandi should be blaming Lisa for the other girls treating her poorly. They were this way before Lisa had a problem with Brandi too. Now, it's partially coming at her due to her own reckless behavior and not all because they're rich bitches judging her off her more superficial elements.

And Adrienne may never truly like Lisa again but she's the one who tried to sell her down the river at Season 2 Reunion, accusing her of selling info to TMZ. Honestly, it's not like Lisa will ever like Adrienne much again after that one.

I don't know if Adrienne is really playing the game - trying to get back on RHOBH - as she's more loaded than all these chicks put together.

TBH, Lisa will never really, really like anybody that crossed her all that MUCH again, but what in am saying is Adrienne is not like Kyle want it comes to Lisa. I don't think she could even fake it all that much. Yes, Adrienne went after Lisa at that reunion, but, IMO, Adrienne blames Lisa for Brandi going after her probably more than she blames Brandi herself OR at the very least as much as she blames Brandi. I don't think she's as mad about what went down NOW but I don't think there is any love lost with either woman.

If she's being a bad friend, then, why don't you drop her, Kyle?

Kyle definitely tried to dump Lisa. Lisa was really the one going after her for reconciliation last season once Lisa subtly began to unload Brandi (for her misbehavior). It wasn't "forgive me, Kyle" it was "I've decided to treat you like a pal again, you should feel lucky." Kyle, IMO, finally "let it go" due to public opinion being with Lisa. Kyle won't be able to tolerate, a, Lisa continuing to be Lisa, AND b, Lisa being above her in status for RHOBH for very long - the fallout should be fun. Everything Brandi feels about Lisa now - ditto Yolanda, Kim is exactly what Kyle was saying in the Season 2 reunion re:Lisa. I thought she was just being jealous but now I get it. Adrienne was probably being jealous, Kyle I think was mostly hurt. In addition, there is Lisa not willing to apologize for her passive aggressive digs at Kyle. It will build up to a simmer again. Right now, they have a mutual enemy or two but eventually that will not be as much in the spotlight.

Lisa and Adrienne have clearly decided that "My enemy's enemy is my friend" so that's bad news for Brandi.

I don't agree with this. Adrienne is not to Lisa as say Kyle is to Lisa. IMO, Adrienne MAY, may like Lisa a little more than Brandi but she doesn't like Lisa much at all. I don't think Adrienne will ever truly LIKE Lisa or Brandi again to make any noise on eithers behalf.

I'm looking at the dictionary of RH ratings that I made last season, what was happening in the second half of season 2 on RHOBH? The ratings were the best they've ever had.

That was a good episode. I love Yolanda but in that clip they showed Yo was kissing Lisa's ass hard.

Kyle is forever pressed about Lisa's friendship. I honestly don't know why. I like Lisa but she's shown that she does not need her as a friend and will walk away with no f-cks given.

Camille was the only enjoyable return. Blech to TayShanna and Adrienne.

Yolanda sort of cleaned that up in her talking head, she was being as shady as ever towards Lisa when she remarked she's known the kind of person Lisa is from the get-go and she accepted it a long time ago. Yolanda just seems sort of sick and tired of trying to call her out on it this season. She looks literally tired too. Hopefully she recovers from the LD.

I'm kind of excited about Kyle and Lisa's reunion because IT will blow up. It's not IF. It's WHEN.

Camille >>>>>> Adrienne >>> Taylor.

Andy's RHOBH rundown is very interesting.

I'm sure she turned them down.

Of course. She was too busy getting ready to be a "real star" on Broadway and all that.