Angela

A more appropriate name would be the U.S. Music Hall of Fame. "Rock & Roll" sounds so much cooler though but you definitely don't need to be a rocker to be inducted into this hall of fame. I think Donna Summers was eligible the year Madonna got in. So they still haven't put her in? She was/is the disco queen. If Pop and Dance go in, Disco should as well. The rape. I had read about that in Wiki a couple of months ago... (Unauthorized) Biographers/Psychiatrists analyzing what made Madonna the person she became (Circa the Wiki profile):

That is one beautiful song and she does a great job with it. Hall of Fame inductions... U.K. Music Hall of Fame Induction in 2004 (Founding member. And she's doing the horrible British accent here that she caught, haha)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P_yAbHiuB8 U.S. R&R Hall of Fame Induction (Inducted on first eligible year, 2008): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7NNv215FK8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiTwqjefrUw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enA4OUzR2XM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZMdCRqQ3aQ

If Julie makes a new movie, she must not leave out the flower incident. I had only heard about the incident in passing (in one of the articles cheering the SB performance), but YouTube keeps us all up to date... The "fan" is a reporter from some country... Madonna officially apologizes (kind of)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qlXMA0v-WA

I was just reading Carl's Wiki link on this. Julie on Madonna's reaction (warm, half-finished wine aside... I hope Julie is kidding about drinking it, Madonna probably drank the bottle and then pissed in it before having it mailed out. I would have, lol): Carl, no idea. But it looks like she's up for more. I got to look up how Julie looks these days, it's been ages since I've seen her anywhere. Weird Al's 1985 "Like a Surgeon" (I've heard Her Madgesty came up with the title and off and onwards the project went)...

Julie Brown doing "Medusa: Dare to Be Truthful." If you're under 14 ... uhm if you're under 21 DO NOT watch this. "You should have done a volcano check!!!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYz8aXrzcPU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uJtG_DpPeE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNa_BPPE1wk Part 4-6 is on YouTube...

I posted the studio version back a couple of pages in here. It's a beautiful song. Julie Brown was indeed the best non-Madonna eva, lol. It's been so long since I've heard her name. I still like the documentary, but indeed... I don't disagree. I do think she must have had some really fundamental issues with the men in her life, those close and those she didn't know (the assault she says happened). It's the same way I would feel about a man if he was being a little too volatile or too contolling towards women in his work too. It's very much "I will never be dominated by a man." I do think like with a lot of her videos, she leaves it a bit ambig for the viewer to take their own message. As a child for me, my first thought was sexual abuse when watching this video. Either by the father or from a father in the church. In terms of sexual abuse, I thought the mothers lip sewn together was a way of showing her silenced about the abuse. Then, for me, it became about a total screw-up of a father and its effect on the children. Me and my sister discussed the video years later and were like "that's the song of our childhood." It's just later on I learned Madonna and her older brother got to see their mother in her coffin and her mouth was sewn like that so my initial interps changed and I began seeing it differently, more from the father/daughter strained relationship dynamics. I didn't love Madonna's studio version of DCFMA. It's really been done better. For me, this Spanish woman - Paloma San Basilio - sings it best. (Yes better than PL). I loved the remix though. I also loved Madonna's talking-singing performance of it in the movie. I think her performance of it here has the passion in it that it lacks in the actual released single and video.

The imagery in Oh Father, just damn... The mother in the coffin with the mouth sealed. I initially thought it was about spousal and/or sexual abuse. Then I thought maybe it's about the church. But over time realized it's her very autobiographical interpretation of her childhood thru Sean Penn. She doesn't feel her father abused her, but that he changed while her mother was dying and after she died, that pushed her away, and some of that allowed herself to open herself to being abused. In the end though she forgives her father. Great stuff. The switch from the father being "abusive" to the husband slapping her, perfect in terms of the chain of abuse.

Toy Soldiers, another oldie but goodie. The singing public doesn't make music like pre-1995 anymore. They really don't. Dear Jessie was so unusual for her too, and so different from most of this album. I think it's a great happy song. No question. I've read up on FD/Madonna/Michael. She tracked him down when she was coming up and got him away from Michael Jackson. Evita still makes me cry. I remember getting it on video tape as soon as it went to video, lol. WTF whipped her into this acting condition? She should have kept their name. Antonio was great, great in the second clip here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC-l9aluDKw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWkI0zhM6TE

Word to the father, Oh Father was my favorite on that album. The song was epic. The video is epic. I think it was probably too heavy for some. It was commercial in sound, but it's so heavy in topic... ETA: Give me a minute, I'll find one that embeds. Or not. Well, just follow Y&R's link. Til Death Do Us Part was another heavy but good one. This was definitely less commercial than Oh Father. I strongly related to this whole album due to my home life when I was a child. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEEE0Tl1JX0

Man, I'm just imaging poor Michael with her. He's so different (innocent) and she's so different (not innocent). I'm sure he initially liked the idea (he married Elvis' daughter after all), but... I know he trash talked her a little after they're brief "dating" period because he felt she was trash talking him in the press. He was being kind of sexist and said she's jealous because she can't be a man and will therefore never have fans fainting for her like he does. On the dates, he said she told him straight out that they were not going to go to Disneyland or any s--t like that, lol. The she tried to take him to bar with cross-dressing people. I think she probably just wanted him to embrace his sexuality and grown up side whatever came with that.

I don't hate the song. Even the worst songs on LAP are pretty decent. I do think that Madonna and Prince could have done something epic and did something meh instead. Another Tour performance I really enjoyed, from Confessions. I think this was after she injured her spine after a horse riding accident. The symbolism of getting back on the saddle is great and her showing her x-rays amuses me... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07DBz9ZUGcA

It's so cute in a Madonna type of way. She's so super hyped she sang it so well w/o a back up track that she kicks the chair, high fives her girls and grabs her crotch (like a man) in self-congrats. I love this Tour performance of Rain (The Girlie Show Tour). She's simply sitting down and singing with passion...

For me, I think LAP was the most important of her career. I think LAP solidified has as more than a passing pop princess. If she hadn't put that stamp on it with the Blonde Ambition Tour on top (that Like a Virgin, Like a Prayer, Live to Tell/Oh Father, Papa Don't Preach section? Damnnn, amazing, quite simple in a lot of ways but just made of awesome), I think she might have fallen under the radar. ROL, second. If LAP was the "You Have To Take Me Seriously" album, ROL became, the "Seriously, You Have To Take Me Seriously" album. It's almost 10 years after her best original material (and over 15 years from her debut on the scene) and there she comes out with a great selling, highly critically acclaimed and respected record.

I'm not in love with Gaga myself anymore but one can't deny she was on the radio ALL THE TIME during the past 2 or so years (and I did enjoy the music for the most part during that time). Ray of Light was Madonna's best selling album since Like a Prayer. I'm not counting the IC as it was the Greatest Hits and not so much a new outing. Not all the songs are commercial in this album (ROL) but I think most of them are quite beautiful in their own right. These are the worldwide estimates I've found compiled for Madonna's albums... http://www.vanityedge.com/forum/ The Immaculate Collection: 28.6 True Blue: 23.5 Like A Virgin: 21.6 Ray of Light: 15.3 Like a Prayer: 14.1 <-- that surprises me, it was such a good album. It's good sales, but in my head that's a 20 million + album Music: 10.4 Something to Remember: 9.8 Madonna: 9.6 Confessions on a Dancefloor 8.3 Bedtime Stories: 7.4 I'm Breathless 7.1 Erotica 6.8 Evita 6.6 Greatest Hits Volume Two 5.5 You Can Dance 5.3 Who's That Girl 5.2 American Life 3.8 Hard Candy 3.6

Lady Gaga has 12 #1 hits on the Dance Charts and 3 #1's on the Hot 100. Stats like that is why I still give it credibility, gays aside. I feel like Lady Gaga has had closer to 10 major hits from listening to the radio over the past two years, not barely 5. It surprised me when I realized just how much Rihanna and Katy Perry are trouncing her in terms of Hot 100. Katy Perry and Rihanna success in particular surprises me. I enjoy most of their songs, but still... Rihanna needs two more #1 Hot 100 singles to tie Madonna, and 8 more to take over Mariah which is very, very doable at her age. It's not a question, Rihanna is so going to join Michael Jackson, Elvis, The Beatles, Madonna and Mariah Carey in those record books in terms of Hot 100 singles success at least in the US. It just feels weird to note that. The digital age has made it a bit easier to rack it up. You just have to connect a wire and press a button. Gaga, Perry, and Rihanna are the first fully digital age artists. The downfall of the digital age for all artists is it has really decreased album sales, everybody is just downloading whatever single they like and screw the album. Has Kylie sold well in the Asian markets? I know Japanese market in particular is not easy to crack too hard. Mariah Carey is the top selling American artist there ever and she's way down on the list of their top-selling artists. --- Ray of Light really was Madonna's best album since Like a Prayer. If not her best album overall. I just recently discovered this song for myself and I love it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaInSMPLLFM I *u***d Up (it's a bad word, yes, but she kind of make it sounds sweet in this song)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkgEJPSWRZY

Still surfing through YouTube.. Most Memorable MTV Video Music Award Performances. They'll be posted in chronological order: 1984: Like a Virgin. The First Major Performance on Television. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFiwFKDyp8A 1989: Express Yourself. Doing It Live and Kickin' Its Butt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pehMBaHgpWE 1990: Vogue. She Brings Performance Art to the VMA's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTaXtWWR16A 2003: Like a Virgin/Hollywood: "The 20th Anniversary" Performance (I do question if Madonna has the literal kiss of career death. Curses her younger rivals with her lips. I'm thinking of Britney barely being able to stand straight during her comeback VMA performance 3-4 years later.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJoCcs_rDtQ ETA: Courtney Love was already doped half out of her mind here, but oddly enough Madonna chooses to lay a kiss and not a bitch slap on her before leaving. The kiss of career death? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBTl611c9fs

Back. None of those songs sound familiar to me, but she does have a nice pop-dance friendly voice. I'm reading up on Kylie on Wiki. Has there ever been such a border issue in pop music between the U.S. (she's relatively unknown) and the rest of the world (she rivals Madonna in popularity)? The very, very slight problem for Kylie here is the U.S.'s large chunk of the music buying market. And to make this Madonna related, just found this on YouTube. This is a song Madonna wrote and gave to Kylie...

But do you really think they would have been able to repair it after the song IF he just didn't do the remixes (and/or asked to do them)? Or did the remixing issues start even before "If Madonna Calls"? Soapsuds, the poster disallowed embedding Did she have any other release in the U.S. that came close to the two I mentioned? I SHould Be So Lucky is one? I remember the two I mentioned well (Can't Get You Out Of My Mind went on and on and on ON the dance music stations), any other I'd have to hear to jog my memory. ETA: My lazy ass went to YouTube, no - I don't have any memory of it. In the 80s it was Madonna, Michael, Prince, Whitney, George, Cyndi, Annie, Boy George, Paula and Bonnie for me. Locomotion I do remember.

No commission because of his very public response to her party cancellation. Eric, you're dismissing the list "because even [your] Kylie can chart?" Hee, tough love Kylie's only had a little over a handful of #1's (DCP) in her 25 year career despite being able to consistently chart in dance. I wouldn't dismiss the list for two reasons, one, because that Top 10 All-Time is filled with some of pop, dance and disco's biggest names ever. Though to your point there's one chick there that I have never heard of but I barely know who Kylie Minogue is either except for that song from the 80s (Locamotion) and that other one (Can't Get You Out of My Mind). And, two, some very popular singers have had minimal success in the Hot 100 and much success on the various Dance charts and vice versa (much success in Hot 100 and little love in Dance). Billboard's Statement on #41: http://www.billboard...006488352.story

"Give Me All Your Luvin" apparently has hit #1 on Billboards Dance/Club Play Charts. I guess in the listing that will come out on Monday. This marks Madonna's 41st #1 on the dance charts. This extends her all-time lead in this category. She's followed (Top 10 All-Time) by Janet Jackson (19), Beyonce (17), Rihanna (17), Donna Summer (16), Kristine W (16), Mariah Carey (15), Whitney Houston (13), Lady Gaga (12), Debroah Cox (11) and Jennifer Lopez (11). Very female dominated chart. 1. Holiday/Lucky Star (1983) 2. Like a Virgin (1984) 3. Material Girl (1985) 4. Angel/Into the Groove (1985) 5. Open Your Heart (1987) 6. Causing a Commotion (1987) 7. You Can Dance (LP Cuts) (1988) 8. Like a Prayer (1989) 9. Express Yourself (1989) 10. Keep It Together (1990) 11. Vogue (1990) 12. Justify My Love (1991) 13. Erotica (1992) 14. Deeper and Deeper (1993) 15. Fever (1993) 16. Secret (1994) 17. Bedtime Story (1995) 18. Don't Cry For Me Argentina (1997) 19. Frozen (1998) 20. Ray of Light (1998) 21. Nothing Really Matters (1999) 22. Beautiful Stranger (1999) 23. American Pie (2000) 24. Music (2000) 25. Don't Tell Me (2001) 26. What It Feels Like For A Girl (2001) 27. Impressive Instant (2001) 28. Die Another Day (2002) 29. American Life (2003) 30. Hollywood (2003) 31. Me Against the Music [britney Spears featuring Madonna] (2003) 32. Nothing Fails (2004) 33. Love Profusion (2004) 34. Hung Up (2005) 35. Sorry (2006) 36. Get Together (2006) 37. Jump (2006) 38. 4 Minutes [featuring Justin Timberlake & Timbaland] (2008) 39. Give It 2 Me (2008) 40. Celebration (2009) 41. Give Me All Your Luvin' (2012) I totally forgot DCFMA was a dance club hit until I saw this list and the remix came back to me. I think Madonna should also get credit for Junior Vasquez's "If Madonna Calls (I'm Not Here)" although I don't think she wants that particular credit. She cancelled her attendance last minute for some party for him and he was pissed. Then he made this song in response and she was pissed (and has apparently never talked to him again, and is on his behind for remixes of her tunes he puts out). I remember the period this was on the NY radio stations all the time. I had thought she contributed the lines to a track and didn't realize it was an actual message and "slam" tune at the time...

I think there was an element of that going on between Whitney and a lot of the family she had working for her. I don't believe it was the whole part of the situation or equation though. I think they really loved her. I think they really wanted her to get better. They all appeared to make the decision to be passive about the situation for some reason and I'm sure the financial stability she was offering some of them to just work, shut up and deal with her as is was part of that equation. There's also the element of that being the type of family situation they all were used to, not putting stuff out there, covering up each others messes. I don't personally feel there's malice there. I do find it odd how much they appear to like Bobby, BUT what we felt and what they lived is different. Ratings...

Pat isn't Whitney's mother or legal guardian. She's her sister-in-law and manager. It appears to me Pat didn't want her to go to the party, and she also may have been pissed off at her after the party. She may have been fed up with her on a whole. It's a very human reaction. She could have been dodging Whitney's calls for a week because she was pissed at her, it doesn't make Whitney's death her fault. Like DF, I didn't find the description of her walking to the room odd either. Also like DF, the only thing I fault Whitney's family with is, yes, being enablers. She was Whitney, she had money, she was giving or/and paying them money as staff - so it looks like they didn't as much as they could have to kick her a-- into submission. Not that I even can really judge them on thnat front. I don't know how much they did or did not do behind the scenes to get her help BUT I do know staying quiet and making up tales while she was tripping wasn't a good decision.

Ah, I totally missed that. I was looking at some of his videos from when he was a young man, he had a beautiful voice. The interview. I wouldn't have known the infomercial was for a company or product by the SIL if it wasn't mentioned in here. I do agree with this part. Yeah, and it wasn't just the other woman saying that Whitney got in her face about RJ. So, Pat's words did basically confirm for me that Whitney was playing the fool in that whole situation. I'm surprised Pat didn't stay with the company line and mentioned that the other woman was crying after the altercation and that [Pat] was mad at Whitney for what transpired.

Just looked up the Gainsbourg moment on Youtube. Man, French peeps are blunt. By the end of that, Whitney looks like she wants to knee him in the balls hard.

She's been through a lot. I don't know if I got the impression that she thinks she's more well adjusted than she is or more mature. I felt she very much had the face on of telling herself and others what she needs to tell them to cope. Right now, I think she has a lot of ideas about how to go on and function (name change, career) but it's just her trying to cope in the moment. It's early in the process. I hope her family will just not lose sight of her because I don't think this is going to be anywhere close to an easy road for her. What got to me is she was still sleeping in her mothers arms just the day before. Pre my teenage years, I used to sleep on my moms bed a lot. I used to be so scared she wouldn't make it past the next day alive too due to circumstances around us. I sort of cherished that quiet time where I knew she was okay. I can't imagine being in that mind set currently as much as I still love my mother. It's very much a childs mindset (I'm sure she grew up fearing her mother could die at any moment more than a regular kid would) and then to lose the parent in that state of mind - not that it is ever easy to lose a parent. I hope she can make peace with Bobby if they're really not at peace. He may suck at some of the fathering aspects but he is her father and part of the healing process for her here will be not to close herself off from her other loved ones,