P.J.

Ugh...ATWT's Stern and Black era.

@DRW50 whoopee! look what I found! One of my favorite Vanessa eppys. Now, please God, let them have the next eppy. This is around mid-May, around when Mindy and Billy show up.

LOL...I am delighted !! You know I love me some bitchy Vanessa!! I hadn't seen this in English. And as much as I love seeing the German episodes, there is NOTHING like Maeve's voice dripping in sarcasm. Vanessa and Trish were friends---but it feels like we're missing some key explanation why. All I've ever really gathered from what's up is that they were sorority sisters. (It seems like that was a popular way to bring anyone rich to Springfield--"oh, they know Vanessa" for a while.) Their relationship seems less one-sided once Billy comes to town. Spaulding really got gutted after Diane's murder, that's for sure. It's not that I dislike Jennifer---but geez, is she dull. I never figured out why Mark married her. Wouldn't marrying Amanda made more sense to his revenge plot? well, the mid-late 90's were a challenge, both for GL and ATWT. My interest waned after '00, and while San Cristobal/Santoses didn't exactly break me, I think Maryanne Carruthers did. Those last 4-5 years were just sad.

LOL...there's a Christmas episode where everyone is at the same church---the WASP Chamberlains, Catholic Reardons, probably Lutheran Bauers---and it's just funny. Like, people, please---couldn't they have gathered at the hospital chapel?

That's one of those things that you didn't realize would change so fundamentally. As much as I complain, I watched GL through the '90's. Admittedly, being able to skip through (or over) episodes is really nice, but even if I couldn't, it wouldn't be as horrible as trying to watch soaps now live.

I have some fuzzy memory of it, I don't know how, I should've been in school, lol. Rita Lloyd scared the crap out of me.

Both had a good acting rep, although I never watched either of them in significant roles. Born did have a reputation for being problematic though.

Having grown up with him as Jack Abbott, I have to believe he could've added depth and nuance to the role. Then again, he might have run shrieking from the building with those writers. I guess there were other couples that sort of "creatively withered"...but I don't know if that was due to fans. The one that came to mind was Tony/Annabelle. They never seemed to have story after Barbados. Thanks Slick!!

I don't think I've ever seen her fight with Jennifer or her death. It should be the week of October 13th, 1980 per TVGuide.

Janet Ciccone, the Italian roadblock/personification of Jean Passanante, hack du jour of ATWT. Later, when Uncle Stavros came to town ('91-ish), he did mention something about his brother Americanizing the name. I can't rightly recall if their Greek roots were immediately mentioned, but I have a suspicion that the Coopers were Greek because Frank Dicopolous was. Ehlers and Dicopulous started the show in '87. And I know by '89 when Harley and A-M married, they were starting a baklava business. With this talk of Terry Lester, he's a decade too young, but he'd have been a GREAT Alan Spaulding.

LOL..I fully believe in grudges. Not only can i still not watch Kurt McKinney pose and say his lines (i will however, I will watch Vanessa dump his ass), I have loathed Hunt Block through two shows. And Annie Parisse? She nearly ruined Person of Interest for me. I'd have voted for Chamberlain too over Pinson. Hell, I'd have voted for a lamp post over Pinson in that obnoxious role. (I swear to God it's only a coincidence Block, Parisse and Pinson played roadblocks to Carly/Jack. *cross my heart*)

Then they were looking for Buzz in '92. That's really depressing. Although i can not for the life of me see Lester as Buzz. In any way, shape or form. Good Lord. I cringe thinking about Frankie D trying to act opposite his dad.

I'm consistently amazed when I get reminded that GL stuck with the bland St Alban for as long as they did. I had checked out of GL by this time, and have zero recollection of any of this.

It amazes me how TIIC keep running into the same problem with stannish fanbases that they can't risk pissing off over the last 15 years (or so) of the show. Whether it's Matt/Vanessa, Danny/Michelle, Richard/Cassie or Gus/Harley. If you can't create friction, of course you're creatively stifled. Even with Josh/Reva, they ended back up together, but at least they hadn't always been afraid of breaking them up.

OMG...bless her heart, but as I've become distinctly aware of since posting to the thread, 1983 viewers probably felt the same way about Kobe?Long's cast purge. Which of course, led to La Zimmer's hiring. Now, that gamble paid off in ways Wheeler's wasn't going to, but c'mon here, Kim.

Yeah...I gotta wonder what Zimmer thinks was left to gut by Wheeler. No, Wheeler's direction wasn't any better...but Springfield had taken hit after hit long before that. Usually in service to Reva's golden hoo-ha.

Were they on AMC and GH at those times? It would've been nice to at least see Rick Hearst return as AM for the finale. VI---I'm not really a fan.

There were a lot of times Josh was got self-righteous when it came to Reva, but that was a shockingly low blow. GL had a real thing for parties. I seem to recall Nancy Curlee praising her husband for finding excuses for people to be in a gathering. I'm not sure that's Judi Evans at bat either, but at least that's possible. I wish Grammy had kicked that author's butt for mixing up Larry Gates with his character, HB. She managed to get the other actresses names correct, even though this is an article about GL.

Trust me....that is Grant. A blind woman could see that. BLIND. Re Matt: so basically being a topless waitress was his great shame? HA. I smell a rewrite in the wake of rabid Matt stans. That was throwing Josh under the bus to sell the latest "poor little Reva just couldn't help but do something stupid" plot. I believe that's also the costume ball where they felt the need to insult Billy/Vanessa fans by dressing Matt as a knockoff version of Rhett to Vanessa's Scarlett.

Yeah....GAG. You would think as a woman, Wheeler would've seen the optics of having a rape survivor kiss her rapists son was BAD. I was never a fan of the icky '94ish Roger/Holly relationship either.

Well, one of my favorite eras is Billy (pre "Reva is my bestest friend) spending a chunk of '84 basically calling her a gold-digging whore. Even if they whitewashed Reva completely and claimed she "loved" HB.

That's the story Simon wouldn't come back for? All I can say is good for Peter. The Sebastian story never should've been greenlighted. ICK.

Agreed. While I felt that Matt screwing Dinah was simply a titillating plot point, the best thing Wheeler/Kriezmann ever did was take a torch to that marriage. While having a fling at the time would've fit in perfectly with Vanessa's history, marrying a prostitute was not. (although honestly, I don't think Matt dropped that little tidbit until after they'd married. If anything, Vanessa would've had divorce papers drawn up by the end of the business day once that came out.) The most heinous thing they did in later years was have Reva go along with Jonathan and convince Lizzie that Jon and Sarah had died for a year. Reva was pretty much always insufferable, but that went beyond the pale. And I don't really think she ever got called out on it. You know, while I know people love Mike---what I've seen, I agree more with you. There's a point in the early 80's where he's casually dating Trish, and they have a falling out because Alan gives her a bracelet. Granted, Alan's on the prowl (because he was always on the prowl back in the day), but he doesn't even give Trish the chance to explain before giving her an ultimatum. Meanwhile, he's pretty oblivious to the fact Hope's become a drunk.

Well, there was always this underlying squicky attraction/hostility push-pull between them. It was no secret--even when Vanessa imagined (or got shown the future with Mo's visit) the future, they were in some co-dependent relationship from hell. But yeah, Matt does not look good in that story. I don't know if he's taking advantage of Dinah, or passive-aggressively giving Vanessa an FU by screwing her daughter.

Well, honestly, you'd have to be a flippin' saint to go all the way to the end. But Matt and Vanessa leave town in '00, and only have a handful of appearances between '00 and '06. But yeah, Dinah doesn't change that much. She never really grows as a character.