EricMontreal22

HAH I didn't even notice that--it does seem to be pretty close! Awww all the stories that The City coulda gone on with

LOVE the Bad Seed--that's great. I always like it when stars tell of good experiences at their soaps lol. I have such a hate on for Lipton that this show has never had ANY interest for me--and while out of soaps from that 10 year era I'm still more sdesperate to see ANY of Where the Heart Is and Friends and Lovers/For RIcher for Poorer, I have to admit these promos have me very interested in seeing more. It feels like a very sophisticated show for its time, maybe too sophisticated (especially for an early morning time slot). Just compare it to this promo for AMC at the same time (which is I admit a GREAT promo--it woulda hooked me) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXwMBKsdPgI

I've never thought much of this soap seeing as it was created by the awful James Lipton (soap killer extraordinare, Broadway musical writing hack, who now inexplicably, and famously, hosts, along with his massive ego, Inside the Actor's Studio) but I admit these youtube promos intrigue me--it seemed pretty racy for 1970 and had a very strong cast (lotsa Oscar talent). Was it canceled just cuz itand World Apart didn't do as well as AMC out of te new ABC 1970 soaps? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfKrrd8NLBM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flZ14xZylsQ

Out of boredome was trolling youtube for more Loving clips (it can be hard to find something as genericlly named as Loving lol) and got all excited to find all the ones this guy posted, only to find out they're not in English. Not sure what era they're from (late 80s early 90s?) Early 90s I think cuz it seems to be Jack and Stacey the first time around http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4xAmJNteM0&feature=related

I hate reading his interviews (especially as he mentioned in the past that he NEVER watched Loving, and now is acting liek a huge fan lol) but I gotta read--I assumed she left on her own too. In hindsight IMHo it was a mistake but maybe with diva Morgan fairchild coming on and the desire to really shake up the cast (none of the really core Corinth family members made the move) they thought to drop her

HAHA thanks--you're too good to me HAHAH Dei Pini used Simply Red as its theme!

LOL Oh I was still using the old way from a few years back-- that's much easier to remember lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3lbj6MOriQ

Well then I'm in that minority with you I have the Loving pilot TV movie and 2 90s eps and one 80s one on .rm media somewhere--I'll try to find it and maybe get it on youtube if I can figure it out...

SIGH I give up doesn't seem to want me to embed though I think I'm doing it right . Here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3lbj6MOriQ And Faltermeyer must have been hired as some sort of promotion--he did a whole soundtrack with some of the love themes (sung in English--0super dated) and score that is up on youtube: Roman and Diana's theme http://www.youtube.com/user/RomanDianaFan29#p/u/4/1mIfIAJhut0 This user has them all http://www.youtube.com/user/RomanDianaFan29#p/u/4/1mIfIAJhut0 (Zeit der Sehnsucht soundtrack)

HAHA found some. Here's the full version of his theme song (which is VERY mid 80s synth--sounds a bit like his movie themes lol very dated but I kinda like it... lol) I actually have this album it's on--his greatrest hits and didnt really realize where the track was from... <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3lbj6MOriQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3lbj6MOriQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3lbj6MOriQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

I believe they had a different dub for Quebecois france--we still get Y&R and B&B int he afternoons and B&B is called Top Models I believe (like that--in English as it's common slang...) I always see it in the tv listings and briefly wonder what show that is... Loving was big in France and Italy I know can't remember the name (Italy had AMC for a long time as Pine Valley though--well except whatever Pine Valley is in Italian)

A full episode and a bit more were posted a while back, but I just found them now, on youtube from the 1994 era when Agnes Nixon briefly returned as HW (which at the time I really loved). (Part 1 of 6 parts I think)

DAYS wanted to seem more modern I think--so updated their scores more (I mean B&B still looks like a show from 1989...) In Germany where Days was apparantly massive in the 80s, and I think other areas in Europe, they actually at some cost had film composer Harold Faltermeyer rescore the show (Faltermeyer is famous for his disco work in the 70s--as arranger on many Donna Summer albums but in the 80s he did many film scores oin synths including Top Gun and Beverly Hills Cop where his ubuquitous Axel F theme came from--as well as producing a Pet Shop Boys album and other hits). I've always wanted to hear some of his work for the show--it seems so odd they got him to do it, though I know he used the gorgeous little known \Donna Summer ballad he produced in 87, Fascination, as a love theme on the show which gave it some chart success there.

No but I love that:D thanks

It was much better--her incest story was front burner when I started watching, and although I was young she became quickly a fave of mine. Agnes Nixon's website has some original advertising for Loving--butI can't make the picture big enough to clearly read! Can anyone help? http://www.agnesnixon.com/photos/other-soaps/loving-two.php http://www.agnesnixon.com/about/ also mentions Agnes being very proud of her supernatural storyline with the guy sellling his soul to the devil on Loving

Loving was my fave show off and on back then and as an AMC fan and a big fan of Ceara (I didn't even knwo back then who Genie F was) I foudn it insulting how she made her exit--with a double, etc

Universal Florida (King Kong kidnapped Ava). It was before ABC was owned by Disney Cearanever had a contract role on Loving--she was on briefly in 91 (when her and Jeremy went to Corinth to work on their marriage)then the following year when Jeremy made the movie Ceara was shot justr before she could (cuz ABC wanted the actress on GH)

yep! I guess he looked like a gay porn star but

dc I find your thoughts on this fascinating--i know some of it is speculation but I expect you're more right than wrong. I do think many fot he changes in direction early on were because of pressure to make the show a hit--Agnes as wonderful as she is isn't beneath feelign that pressure and changing things due to it or giving in to some network interference. However I think her period right after Marland left was fairly brief--but I cna't be sure but it seems her name was out of the writing credits fairly soon. Still I think under her the show was better than not (I agree with her second tenure later dropping the Cradle foudnation story when she left was a mistake0> i think you're right that stories, actors, characters, everything had too quick turnaround but again this was probably partly due to ABC getting upset that ratings remained so low. And yeah I think Agnes playe d apart with the Coop story etc (which started off SOO strong and then was sorta ditched... the story of Loving's life sadly) Of course much like AMC until the mid/late 90s I have no doubt Agnes kept SOME contact with Loving throughout its time (unlike One Life which she seemed to leave pretty much completely when she helped Russell replace her) And your views on Wakefields influence are pretty astute (and I think you're right with all these collaborators they just found working together hard--there doesn't seem to be any respect lost between them). However I do see a LOT of very early AMC (which, Phoebe aside for the first coupel of eyars wasn't quite as "colourful character" based as it became) in the first two years of Loving. "Having a former prostitute learn the child she gave up for adoption was the star of kiddie porn certainly wasn't going to bring in the viewers" I have NEVER even heard of this story before! lol what year? What happened? sounds like it owulda been kinda shocking--Agnes liked to deal with issues but it is a bit exploitive too.

I'm utterly confused are you replying to one of my confusing rambles above? Cuz yeah I think he married the "main" Dinah Lee (the one who was on... Dirty Sexy Money? Some show recently) in real life and never ever meant to imply he was gay.

Hwo could you NOT knwo Ryan Murphy is gay? Look at th eshows he does--Glee is just overflowing with a queer sensibility The gay sensibility might turn people off like you said but... We'll see--if it does then it's their fault. Nip/Tuck has been a hit despite that (but I guess all the breasts and other shocking elements keep anyone scared by that watching) Victoria is on Vancouver Island, but Vancouver is on the mainland. It's confusing We're more a tourist city but peopel do grow up here (I went to junior high--not the school Cory went to--with Nelly Furtado who was a [!@#$%^&*] and I have a lot of stories about). Cory like I said was only there one year or so, was kind aquiet, chubby, and nice and was in the chorus of a musical I was in. I don't have any gossip sadly (apparantly in a recent interview he said he hated high school so ther ya go )

Again I was 12-14 so as an adult I prob wouldn't agree maybe but at the time I LOVED all the Dante stuff even if it was cut short because of the race controversy (Dante being a middle east character or something). I also loved all the yougn set at the time--I even remember kinda liking Trucker's loser father comign to town (Trucker has got to be one of the most handsome--in a totally cliche romance novel way--soap characters I know even if he wasn't a great actor--I guess it's not a big shock he seems to have done NOTHING post Loving but him and Trisha were a fave of mine) I also really liekd Hannah especially with Cooper. Oh well (I have none of this saved so can't really reinvestigate) However I think you're dead on that a lot of the storytelling was made up for by the actors and the chemisty of the actors (it was too bad the cast of Loving got next to no credit as they were usually quite strong it seems to me) The day to day dialogue also seemed pretty strong Gilbert, Jeremy's evil twin, was Agnes? it's always funny to me when agnes does such cliche soap storylines but of course a part of her seems to enjoy some of the more over the top stuff (she did the 80s Loving story with the villain who turned into a snake and was implied to have ties to Satan or whatever). Was Egypt and Alex under Nixon? Egypt seemed to be such a revamp of the old original Lyman Opal on AMC--but I did love her. (I posted on RATS when City happened--still as a teenager and I remember the general consensus was the last 6 months were very good--jsut as the show was getting canceled). It's funny Agnes Nixon was given co creator credit on City and listed as creative consultant yet in that youtube LONG TV archive interview with her she seems to say she had ZERO connection to the city and was surprised by the question lol. Loving did have a weird beginning--originally it was a creation between Agnes and novelist Dan Wakefield (who wrote the awesome All Her Children and was a huge fan--also did the teen drama in the 70s James at 15, apparantly a huge influence on Dawson's Creek) with co creation credit but they seemd to have different views or something as by the time it started Marland was HW and had co creator credit (even if the basic setup was very much 1970s AMC with a bit of Marland influence in the Donovan family). I've seen two eps from during hisrun as well as the pilot movie (which was a tv movie and had actors and character snot in the show--oddly) and I found it very strong--jsut as day to day soap anyway. What confuse sme is why Marland's name was removed from create dby when he left--Agnes Nixon has always it seems had great things to say about him so I don't think it was a fight. Much of the problems stems from ABC I think whow anted higher ratings faster (typical). They also squashed some of their key stories--there was to be a TV first in an incest abuse storyline which at the last minute was dropped I believe because ABC wanted to have their upcomign tv movie get to be advertised as the first time TV had dealt with the issue... I still think that Brown/Esensten for the most part did a good job with the final year, and did a great job with The City once it found its placing (it was idiotic to, after the Loving Murders, suddenly jump into a similar serial killer story on the new show)

AHEM *Victoria* native (raised here, born in Canada). I was just gonna post about this so here's my original post but I mention him in the last paragraph This was just a preview--the series starts in late Sep (odd I know) I liked it a lot. I think it's the kinda show people will love, or hate (it's so stylized, etc). Ryan Murphy is the (uber gay) creator/head writer and I have mixed feelings about him--Popular was a nice satire on the typical teen drama and I loved it in the end, I loved Nip/Tuck at first (he was hired by F/X to make a "more outrageous" show similar to Six Feet Under and it was at first) but I lost interest the past few years--they just throw too much into it at the sacrifice of characterization or any cohesive plot. And his adaptation fo Running with Scissors was, I thought, awful but... But yeah this was good and in many ways a return to Popular but with musical theatre thrown in--and I love that they cast so many real Broadway talents like Matt Morrison and umm the girl from Spring Awakening--instead of hollywood actors who could kinda sing. Very strangely the jock character is played a by a guy I went to school with her ein Victoria, BC--he was a grade under me and always really nice but shy and a bit chubby--he was in the chorus of a musical I was in but never really hung out with any of the theatre people and I think he went to private school the following year. I didn't even know he persued acting (his bio says he was a cabbie in Victoria when he wa 19-20) but apparantly he was first discovered in Van by Don DeCoteau the homoerotic direct to DVD horror movie director (he's in all three Brotherhood movies, Beastly Boyz, etc). Anyway I hope this is a hit for him.

he co wrote with Millee Taggert (who had co written with Tom King the show in the late 90s) and I loved it at the time--but I give Taggert most credit. I also loved when Addie Walsh wrote--under both the original university setting was prominent again and the show really felt like 1970s old school AMC before all the Big Bussiness' had moved in. Of course after Addie, Agnes Nixon returned for most of 1994 and that year was almost all fantastic (even with a few crazy stories she did like "Curtis/pet" being locke din a cage by Dante etc). dc is right with what is said about the probs with the short writing and producer terms in the 90s (well throughout the show's history really) but at the time I admit I loved most of it. So my memories are diff. I have some Loving (mainly the murders) and every episode of the last four months of The City (when it really found its footing--funny at the time it had already been canceled yet was the only ABC soap to see its ratings steadily RISE) on video and have always planned to digitize them and put them all up on youtube--I need to get my act together

Faison came around... 1994? It was a chase caper when jeremy was with Ava and they went to Universal Studios Florida, etc--pretty silly actually. I became a Loving fan as a 12 year old because of the EPIC Carter Jones AMC crossover--which was the ebst soap crossover I've ever seen and made me a Loving fan (I actually had never even HEARD of Loving before though I had watched AMC and sometimes OLTL for 2 years prior, that's how littl epromo it got). I wish I ahd it on tape or it would pop up on youtube. Myrtle came back for I think Dinah Lee's wedding (or Hannah's?) but yeah they stayed at her boarding house and we found out Dinah Lee had a history with Carter who was tormenting first his ex the DA on AMC (I forget her name lol--Galen?) and then moved on to blind nuNatalie. Trevor and crew tracke dhim down to loving and were on the show for a week (there was a cute meetign between Trrevor and his wife in real life where they said "I dunno how anyone could stand being married to them) . Jeremy moved there shortly after.