EricMontreal22
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Interesting, this era is a muddle for me, but it must be from whgen JFP was ghost headwriting (reportedly) after Pam Long left and before McTavish came in. Anna Cascio is listed first in the writers--and *Harding Lemay* is listed last--I didn't know he was credited on the show though I know he consulted (and I think has only had good things to say about JFP)...
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Phil died in 1981 in (I thought) a plane exploding, something to do with politics... But I think it may have even been off camera when Tara was meant to find him and she shortly moved away with Mr (Jim?) Jefferson. But I think Phil may have been missing for a while in the explosion and then never found--I can't remember. It seemed like they realized that Phil and the endless new Taras were finally played out.
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I am too though she was more sympathetic (as a B character) later on--helping Brooke with her rape, the lesbian stuff, etc. Devon and Wally are in that 1978 Tom/Erica wedding episode as well. It's there. I find it amazing that they licensed Muzaky (OK I guess it's meant to be big band or something) versions of Beatles music, of course soaps in the 70s and 80s were much more likely to use "real" recognizable music.
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I think this was the first time AMC tried anything gothic, and it seems like it went over really well (I've read articles about people seeing promos for the Cortland stuff and being intrigued and finally getting hooked on AMC) and in some ways seems like the first major change in style the show did to accomodate the hour change a few years before. I never have got why they aolways returned to the Kennicotts too... There wa Dan who was bad right? And? Mary was very popular but it was quite a few years before...
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The thirtieth was decent, but after the better 20th episode, and the awesome 25th week--and the Daytime to Remembers, etc, it was less exciting. It was at a Crystal Ball--I have it on tape somewhere and believe it might be online, and was just one episode. The 35th was at the hopsital with Agnes for Joe's anniversary or something and was Phoebe's last appearance days before her death (I actually remember the OLTL anniversary's much less clearly--I think they did the first one for their 25th as when AMC did their 20th it was still rare for soaps to do that--of course they did have the flashback week when Megan died. I remember thinking as a whoile they were more disappointing--I remember a thirty fifth one I think that had brief musical montages for key characters like Dorian/VIcki but nothing too rare).
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Hrmm is that the colour episode there's like 4 minutes of on youtube?? (And now I can't find the link...) Jeff Mary seemed to really be a big deal at the time, it would be nice to see more. I've never got the disco whistle thing I know in the early disco days if a man had a whistle it usuallyw as meant to be an indication he was gay and on the prowl (maybe cuz he was "bloawing?" but by 1980 or whenver Pine Valley finally got the disco thing it had all become fairly mainstream kitsch). (And that's a great gag gift! ) I must find that album... Yes, I mentioned earlier that clip from around '92 with him--which is interesting because at the time I really didn't remember seeing him except the 25th week, when Iw as pretty excited to finally see him on screen--but I watched regularly in '92 (I swear I didn't miss an episode, so...)
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Not to the best of my knowledge--nothing pre the 1978 wedding and those 70-71 B&W kinescopes has popped up. WOST had some good episodes from around '81 though... I believe Dixie always felt that she kinda let Will down, that there could have been some way to save him. Anyway, I think in situations like that people often blame themselves.
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It really is a full on valentine to fans--the way they don't even try to explain who everyone is in fact but just assume long term fans will know is something I kinda respect--that together with the Burnett primetime episode showed how well regarded the soap really was--and I don't think ever quite was again. And yes, there is a ton of heart. I still often saw glimmers of that I guess, especially compared to some other soaps, but a big part of that is nostalgia for when I first started watching and the history I knew. AMC really was a soap (like, of course many others) around families and generations when it was at its best. And I do think that even compared to many other soaps, the appeal of it at its height was really more about hanging out with these characters than wacky plot twists and shocks.
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Didn't he have a wardrobe malfunction? Or am I thinking of someone else (i'm crap with UK soap actor names...) We had Emmerdale for a year here in Canada, back to back with Eastenders. For whatever reason, they dropped Emmerdlae last Fall but kept Eastenders (the CBC still shows Coronation Street which seems to be unshakeably popular in Canada sperately in the early evening and again at midnight). I was getting kinda back into Emmerdale but have to admit that it's last few months here you could alrady see the show getting more and more directionless (we were a year or two behind and ended during the gay euthanasia storyline, a story I'm sure has been endlessly debated about on here but I don't even feel like getting into--at least I grew pretty uninterested in the characters before it started...) It's too bad to hear it's become such a mess as over the years when it's popped up on Canadian TV (it used to be paired with Corrie by the CBC for ten years or so in the 90s and early '00s) it's often the UK soap I have enjoyed the most.
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No, you're right--in a way that was its strength. I think, obviously Vicki (and to a lesser degree characters like Dorian) helped anchor a lot of that element. I think that's one reason I disagree with people like Khan who see the Malone/Griffith/Gottlieb era as gutting the show--I have a bias as that's when I got hooked, but regardless what one thinks about bringing it back to its original theme, or that it needed to be revamped, the show had a history of that already. I do agree that Ron's "clever" way of connecting everyone reeks of fanfic--particularly because there's no pay off (a running theme with OLTL the last decade). It's been a cliche since the 40s with Phillips to tie random charcters together, but even the semi debacle of AMC having Damon be Tad's child with Hillary and the execs not letting her on the show, had SOME good character scenes pay off.
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At least Cosgrove was (IMHO) Hot, Lowry never was, but I get your point. Like I said, I did like his initial romance with Liza before they knew who each was. I think Liza did recover somewhat--but as a backburnered character (I'm speaking of Marcy's Liza), but I do agree with your point in general. This is the Monday, (the 18th) following the last episode I uploaded, still at Palmer's Masqeurade, 1980. Lots of great stuff. I really wish I could see AMC 1976-1981 or so. I know Babbin (?) shook things up as EP and 1983-84 anyway is seen as classic, but a lot of that is online--and I think this is the era that most interests me (aside from more from the very very early couple of years). Sorry I have NO idea how to edit out commercials or any other form of video editing--but I kinda enjoy the commercials, and they're easily skipped. *Will Palmer discover who the masked lady is?* *Is Phil back from the dead?* Will poor Brooke ever fall in love with someone who doesn't seem like an attractive--and in love with Erica--gay man?*
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To be honest by story with Liza I think I meant the two weeks they spent in that country inn when he came back. That was what came to mind--I found the character interesting back then. I didn't like his involvement with her afterwards... And yes--people complain that Tad got too judgey but really he had NOTHING on Lowry's Jake. Ugh.
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Yes, their scenes together are great (as is some of the random scripting--AMC really used to have above average dialogue, particularly in terms of wit--actually even in its most barren more recent years I think the scripting, for whatever reason, was often a notch above most other soaps--I love the opening scene with Brooke and Langley in that episode where they talk about his little legs...). I also love how the whole sequence (I think there was another one or two episodes after the three I have, that were still at the party) is set on location and filmed almost like Gosford Park or something, it feels so different from a normal soap, with a true sense of the party going on in all these various rooms at the exact same time. I'm nearly done uploading the second episode from the Monday right after that Friday, since I had time to load it in the computer while on my fruitless search for the OLTL Tribute magazine tonight. Will post when done. One question for youtube users (and maybe I need to post this in the video forum)--I noticed that though it seems to work for everyone here, when I do a search for the episode on youtube, signed out of my account, it doesn't seem to come up. I made it a public video, so I hope anyone interested doing a search would be able to find it...
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RPG could be unbearable, and I know he wasn't well liked on here, but I think overall he did get the mix of the character, as I perceive him, best, and when he was good I thought he was, well, very good (maybe not great). It may have been a condensed story due to the ending, but I appreciated this past Summer that the STD story with him and Amanda wasn't about him demonizing her or agonizing over it, the way STD stories nearly always are on soaps, but a much more realistic take on what would happen in that situation with someone you loved. I dunno, I just found Lowry so unappealing in the role in general (I didn't mind him the first few months with Liza I admit, and pairing him with Ally--I think that was her name--didn't help matters), but what you say is probably true. Maybe they renamed him partly because they realized it was such a different take on the character. Peck was fine--I liked him with Greenlee and even somewhat with Mia, but he did seem all too serious for the character, although I suppose you could do something interesting with having the two Martin brothers be such opposites--which they never explored.
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I've enjoyed them too. It is kinda surprising to see so many names come and go during this period--characters who were major players on the canvas. I guess maybe that's been the legacy of OLTL since the late/mid 70s anyway for every era--the only other soaps I've read so many old recaps of are AMC, where this happens as well but I seem to find it happened significantly less, but it may just be that I find it easier to follow because I know that show's history a bit better, and Loving which of course is a mess in that respect though you do see many of the same basic families stick around for a while, if not the actual characters...)
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Agreed, and that's the only place I've seen him as well. Lowry was just awful in the role. Yes Jake has had a myriad of problems under Peck and Goldin (who only really became likeable for me his last few months when Broderick's writing seemed to mesh with him), but I prefered both, even Goldin in some awful moments, to Lowry who I *never* liked in the role. I used to always simply blame Lowry, but I actually kinda liked his brief run as Ross recently on OLTL despite it being a thankless role... ANd yes, he changed his name to sound more grown up apparently and also because at the time he didn't want to be so associated as the Jr to his father... (I guess kinda like JR not being called Adam Jr, etc...--I admit personally, unless you're named for a dead relative, I think naming a child after his parents albiet with a Jr is never a good idea, even if it used to be done for family legacy reasons).
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