EricMontreal22

SFK, I've thought the same thing. These deliberate, long drawn out scenes could easily be tightened. The long establishing shots of someone entering a room, or driving away from a building, could easily be trimmed or cut altogether. This could be a half-hour soap and we'd still get everything we need to get out of it.

Exactly. And as Vee and I said I think at the start of the thread, his direction is terrible. He doesn't help the AWFUL actors at all (like shirtless guy from the drano ads,) and his camera work is weird. He likes to have people when talking to each other, speaking DIRECTLY into the camera and I find it discomforting (no over the shoulder shot, or anything.)

I can't shake it, that scene with the girl and Tika's character over the phone was just the most bizarre thing. The way she was acting. I was like, "What am I watching right now... and wait, this isn't something I stumbled upon on public access, there are hundreds thousands of people watching along with me." By the way, is she really the maid's daughter, because she looks Latina.

Sadly you missed the scene where that girl was raped by her creepy professor. It went on SOOOOO long, and he kept on making the weirdest sounds...

Don't get me wrong, I am very glad that this show exists. It could just use a little more pep.

You are?? Why? LOL nothing you said backs up this comment.

After watching the first two episodes of Hulu's Hotwives of Orlando, I feel like I understand the appeal of Real Housewives, and now have even less of a desire to watch it.

Just another one of his creations, Tyler will [!@#$%^&*] up. Too bad OWN will be polluted with Tyler Perry's garbage

Let me guess. He'll be credited as headwriter, SCRIPT writer, director, and producer on every episode of this just like To Have and to Own. Well I guess we now know why he has no time for a *ahem* love life.

LMAO! Thanks Cheap! Ugh, there was one I have to find that made me laugh do hard as they were scrolling. Off to search.

Yeah that's what I was just posting about--before I saw it. I don't fully buy it, mind you, even with the poor quality of the work (I simply don't think any man has that many hours a day,) but it doesn't say much for quality, just his ego.

Tyler Perry's If Loving you is wrong: It's because I was a well to do black woman in a great relationship who made the mistake of cheating and then died of AIDS.

Oh wait, he already did that story

That had to be the longest most dreadful hour in the history of episodic television.

It felt like I had been watching it for 3 hours. I apologize moRon Carlivati. You are not the absolute worst. Bottom of the barrel? Absolutely, but Perry is lower than the soil housing the barrel! My God!

HA. But it's classic soap pacing that he remembers from his childhood while watching Y&R!

I love the way Bootleg Sally makes her whole snout quiver to convey anger.

Classic community theatre acting. (Honestly, if she was a member of a smaller rep theatre company I could see her being their star player--and I don't even mean that really, honestly, as an insult.)

I ALMOST wish I had watched this current "season," but, as enjoyably horrendously awful as I kinda found the show, I simply didn't have the time--I appreciate the thread to sorta keep track of it.

I noticed that the promos for the series have gone from the very early ones--where they seemed to be trying to pretend this was a deep, Oprah-bookclub-approved, literary drama about heavy social themes, to the last one I randomly saw on TV which made it clear it was all about the camp.

Wyatt: Where Amanda go?

Celine: I don't know

Wyatt: Where Amanda Go? ( try angry voice)

Celine: I don't know

On repeat 8 more time then add Katherine for 3 more times.

Vintage Tyler Perry dialogue for this show!

I feel like any attempt at a Todd/Nick friendship now would just lead to Todd developing obsessive feelings for the street's supposed resident hunk. It would probably end with Todd being carted off on charges.

Todd, IMO, should be written as sort of a modern version of what/who Ken was in the early years. Intelligent, a bit naive, "better" than his working class roots but not entirely ashamed of them, drawn to what's "out there" but comforted by home, etc. He should definitely be dating guys from outside of the street.

COMPLETELY agreed.

Male characters like a young Ken don't exist on soaps now.

Does anyone actually see Nick as a hunk? He's older than Rita now.

I don't think it's too late to salvage Todd. It's all mostly trash stories, but there have been worse.

I apparently spoke too soon, because in today's episode it was revealed he was playing Marcus... Sigh.

I believe we are about ten episodes behind in Canada, but I have been sick this weekend and caught up on several weeks of Corrie (we aso got the Tina special.)

There is so much that's a mess on the show right now. But one thing that the show often was good at in the past was playing out story beats--to use one glaring example right now is Todd and Marcus. Why has Marcus decided he's in LOVE with Todd? I've seen nothing remotely romantic or appealing about the way Todd has pursued Marcus, and while I could buy that Marcus finds him attractive on some level, the fact that now they are meant to be in love just bewilders me.

I thought it was an awful episode. Sometimes I think AVClub can be too harsh, but their D+ review of the episode was about right for me. I had a friend who had an under 5 in this episode, so haven't commented about it on Facebook, but

Pretty much: "

Seriously, the majority of this episode is adults torturing youths simply because they’re not 100 percent sure that the lead youth is not a murder (and as we all know, he’s not). Teen Wolf has featured a lot of ridiculous things that require suspension of disbelief—see the majority of season three, especially the Yakuza bits—but to spend an entire episode of the show in Mexico, with someone who is technically a good guy mentally and physically torturing teenagers who are also technically on the same side as her, for no reason at all, is not a good start to the season. Neither is not hearing a peep from anyone’s parents (especially Scott’s mom) or hearing about the mysterious investor who provided these teenagers with $50,000. None of this is Teen Wolf.

A prevalent question in an episode of a show called Teen Wolf should not be “Where are all of the adults?” But after how last season ended in comparison to how this season has begun, someone over the age of 25 needs to be taking charge. The next (even more important) question is “Why is this so boring?” Even in its more basic season-one days, Teen Wolf always knew what it was doing when it came to its pacing."

http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/teen-wolf-dark-moon-206155

I really think it's a mistake for Fox to change their minds (cuz this was their only big hit last year) and expand from a 13 episodes season.

I think someone at the show said they had change the format this season and decided to have less characters per episode and more airtime for the characters in those episodes. So that's why you have lengthy set pieces like the trial, the wedding, etc. That makes sense, but then it makes the characters who are isolated, like Arya "have you heard my list today?" Stark, seem even more isolated.

Right--I agree, but compared to the books (and I have mostly made my way through the third and--I know, awful of me, into bits of the fourth) this is the smartest way they could approach that material. In the past few years I have never shown all that much respect to the showrunners, but I think it's *masterful* how they are approaching such unwieldy books. There's a reason so many "fans" hated a certain book which never even showed favorite characters--and, for good or bad, there's no way an adaptation can benefit by taking that same approach.

Lol at Lily Allen. That's too funny and so true. Show Asha is definitely less pretty than Book Asha and way too sentimental. Especially for Iron Born.

Rewatching the rescue attempt sequence and it's even more weird the second time around. So Asha fled because of ramsays rabid dogs? Is that what we're supposed to believe? The fighting itself was so chaotic and random. Just pointless all around and it's not like anyone really thought she'd succeed.

Looking forward to the Trial by Combat and other pivotal scenes but I'm hoping that by the end they'll have caught up to the books. At that point I'll know they're just pulling it out of their butts then and not be offended by it

REALLY? You won't be offended by it?

I do agree the scene was not handled as well as it could have. It felt thrown in to keep up momentum with the story--which makes sense, but still it wasn't that well executed (I did think Ramsey and Theon's bath scene was appropriately creepy and managed to suggest how much he was in control of Theon very well something which, granted, wouldn't have worked without the rescue scene. I suppose they onlyhave so many minutes to tell each story.)

One critic--prob AV club--pointed out that lately the show seems to be one half an "update" on what's going on outside of King's Landing and then the rest centered on the intrigue there. I' not always satisfied by that, but, overall, I think it's a capable way to structure the way they're re-fitting the two novels they're covering right now.

Lily Allen says she was asked to play Yara Greyjoy, but declined, as she didn't want to be groped. Given who was playing Theon, I can see why.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1824585/lily-allen-game-of-thrones/

I just love the woman who plays Yara (I don't know her name), so this worked out well.

Yeah that woulda amounted to stunt casting, which the show has avoided (even if Robson and Jerome fans may disagree .) I really like the actress who plays her.

I'm still hesitant to believe this since I bumped into it on IMDB, but looking around it seems legit. Sean Bean, Indira Varma, Mackenzie Crook and Isaac Hempstead-Wright are starring in Caesar. Wright is the young Octavian, future Emperor Augustus, and Bean is, of course, Caesar who dies horribly. Also featuring Geoffrey from Fresh Prince, apparently.

It's an old, old tale but it's amusing that I last saw this story told on HBO's Rome, their thematic (and financial) precursor to GOT. There, Ciaran Hinds (Mance Rayder) played Caesar, while Lindsay Duncan was Servilia and Indira Varma (Ellaria on GOT) was the long-suffering wife of Kevin McKidd's Roman soldier. But hey, I'll see anything Bean and Wright - and Varma! - make.

Oh, and if you're not watching Michelle Fairley as a terrorist widow on 24, do.

There's been talk about Rome having some sort of wrap up season--yet again. I doubt it will happen, but...

I love Fairley and she could ALMOST make me watch 24. Almost.

How are my posts spoiling anything? I watch the episode and I post. I don't say anything about the future unless another person has talked about it.

And just like 90% of your posts are just gushing about how amazing the show is and the writing team is for writing nothing but sex, violence, and random plots that go no where and have no rhyme or reason just so they can appeal to the lowest common denominator of viewers.

I don't think you've given any spoilers at all--I've appreciated that.

But I do feel like we're watching a different show--I certainly don't see a show that consists only of random plots that go nowhere nor have rhyme or reason, quite the opposite.

Appreciate that. I know it's fun to gang up on the lone book fan but I just think it's a valid to point out what is different between the two even if you don't care. I care and that's enough for me....

I apologize if I sounded like I was ganging up on you. As I've mentioned I did read the first couple of books before the show started--I was a fan. Obviously not on the level you are. I do think I've become much better than I once was at accepting that any good adaptation is gonna make changes--even changes I dislike (but then again I just posted a bitchy comment on a different format about how bland and uninspired the *trailer* alone of Constantine, the NBC adaptation of one of my favorite comics, looks so maybe I'm just a hypocrite. Or maybe I just won't watch if I dislike it as much as the trailer.) You also bring a lot of great comics to this thread, and I always read your posts. Where you utterly lose me though is comments like that Shae should not be so important on the show simply because she isn't in the books--I would think anyone still watching would move on from that point by this season, and due to the fact that the character HAS become important on the show for a long time now, it's now a moot point.

Similarly "The Small Council meeting is infuriating.....they don't know ANY of this information about Dany, Mormont, or even Selmy. Only until the epilogue of the FIFTH book. Jesus Christ" Except *in the show* they do. And they gave a perfectly plausible reason as to why and how. Your complaint comes off--to me--as just complaining for the sake of complaining because I don't see you giving any reason why it's infuriating except that they shouldn't have done so until they film the epilogue of the fifth book. Why?

No one's expecting them to be 100% to the book but glaring things like that completely destroy how good the story is in the books IMO. And its utterly unnecessary. So now we have to refer to them as Book X and Show X?

Book Stannis vs Show Stannis? Its ridiculous but whatever. The bottom line is that Shae on the shows is a dumb figure who doesn't deserve that much screen time or frankly any attention at all given how minor a role she plays in the books and her ultimate betrayal of Tyrion. And the way the writers crafted her on the show went entirely against the grain of the books which was my only point.

HOW did it though? I admit I'm not a big "Show Shae" fan, but they clearly used her partly to show and dramatize things that in the books we understood because chapters of the books were written from Tyrion's POV. It was a clever dramatic way of getting around that.

I do not see how any of this "completely" destroys the "book story." That makes it sound like the tv show makes zero sense as its own story now.

And frankly, even if you are, you've had four seasons to be shocked and adjust or stop watching. The show is not going to suddenly snap back into doing things your way or following the letter of the text.

In fact, I'm pretty sure it'll do quite the opposite.

Because they know it on the TV show. Not the book.

Exactly--and they have to keep things moving on the TV show while not making it even MORE complex the way it is in the books--it makes sense, IMHO, that the little birds, etc, would have informed them about Danni, etc (it also helps tie her oh so isolated story somewhat into the other action which is more important on a TV show than in the books--although MANY book fans complained about the progress of her story as well.)

I think it was more to show his depravity - he seemed to get off on being choked and manhandled. And it fulfilled HBO's usual quota.

This is how I saw the scene, too. (Although I was confused by all the cuts on his body immediately after--was that a part of the sex?) Maybe it was overkill (not that the show never does overkill)--we get it by now, but the scene sorta thematically made sense to me--cutting it with the other scene, etc, and I didn't think much of it one way or the other until reading some negative reactions. It's funny, I watched a bunch of episodes of Vicious the not very good old school gay comedy throwback sitcom with Ian McKellen and Jerek Jacobi as a bitchy older gay couple--and it took me a while to recognize the actor playing Ramsey as their nice younger neighbour...

Yeah, I should have known better than getting my hopes up it would happen but they got me. They were, once again, so close.

I know, right? It's like Ron Carlivati is writing those scenes... Considering how massive Westeros seems to be, these people often seem to just happen to miss each other.

How much time does Jojen need to mourn and get over his brother's death? “A fortnight?” “That seems reasonable.”

Jojen doesn't have a brother (that we know of)

http://mightygodking.com/2010/01/25/crisis-on-infinite-earths-12-the-battle-around-the-world-sequence/

Oh, I actually read that at some point...

OK I have no idea who you mean... lol

OK I have no idea who you mean... lol

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-director-jon-snows-701128

She directed some of my favorite TWD episodes. I always imagine GoT is a very hard show to direct, because the stories are so disparate and becoming moreso each season, but she did a great job here.

Thank God Martin is a writer and not a spoken word artist or author *yawn*

I said previously that Michele was one of my fave directors for this show. What I don't get about directing the show is they must have a hard time with what to order (probably why directors tend to do back to back episodes) given the fact they'd have to travel between Ireland, Morocco, Iceland, etc...

I must have some stupid friends, because a number of people didn't even really pay attention to what that revelation meant. I liked how it was done in a low key manner (as have some other revelations this season in particular.)