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Not to be that person (lol), BUT: Reva's marriage to Alan was annulled, so that doesn't count. Also, I ASSUME she had not yet been declared legally dead when she married Richard, so that one also probably doesn't count. As I've said before, it's not unusual for actors to slip up on storyline details, so I would be shocked if these were the only gaps in her memory of this kind. And, yeah, the more names, the funnier it is, so...

They had a brief affair before Sonni left to take a job out of state. He liked that she knew nothing about his past and she liked that he knew nothing about hers. I don't think they built much more story around them. As I believe someone mentioned, Forbes was not interested in staying on soaps.

That would be his older sister Stacey. She was the center of a big story back in the day. Nola was out to snag medical student Kelly Nelson, who she thought would provide her with the life she craved. He was in love with a girl named Morgan. Nola plotted to get pregnant by him, but couldn't manage to get him in bed. So she seduced Floyd, who thought she was in love with him. When she knew she was pregnant, she got Kelly drunk and made sure he woke up next to her in bed. Kelly believed her when she told him he made her pregnant. They were about to elope to Las Vegas, but her mother ratted her out and Kelly abandoned her. She almost married Floyd, but jilted him at the altar. She went to work for Quint. When the baby came prematurely, Kelly saved both of them. She named the baby Kelly Louise to irk Morgan, who was now married to Kelly. When she fell in love with Quint, she had a change of heart over all the trouble she had caused, so she changed the baby's name to Anastasia Louise, shortened to Stacey. Quint was a devoted stepfather and Henry treated her like his own granddaughter. After Quint and Nola leave SF, I believe Stacey is never seen again. Which is odd, you would think they would have brought her back with Nola and J, but they never did.

I've noticed that actors frequently misremember storylines. They're not like viewers. Viewers are like elephants, we remember everything (or we think we do, LOL). She may genuinely have forgotten the details and chronological order of the story. However, it is extremely odd that she doesn't mention Forbes by name since they were in a hot storyline together as bitter rivals for two years.

I found an interview with Joseph Breen (Will Jeffries) where he mentions that Reva was put in a coma so Zimmer could go to Hollywood to do a pilot (OMG, if ONLY it had been picked up, LOL) and that Sonni and Josh and Will became a popular with the audience while she was out of commission. If you want to read the whole thing: https://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?id=47394 Breen was known for being very candid in interviews, I wish I could find more of them. I seem to recall he made a couple of snarky comments about Zimmer, implying she was not above acting like a diva. Sounded to me like he had a lot of respect for Forbes (who went on to have a very strong and varied career after GL).

No. Ed and Holly were married and having problems. She had an affair with Roger and that's when Christina--Blake--was conceived. The rape happened much later, after Holly and Roger were married.

I really wish we could see that episode...absolutely, my memory could be faulty, it was a very long time ago. I'm not going to contradict what the actors said--there has to be a reason it made them so uncomfortable that they talked about it in the press and complained to TPTB. I think that was the first one where they made the point that they wanted to educate the audience about the subject.

Yes it was! My mom and I convinced my dad to get one. He was--how shall I put this?--on the thrifty side, but one day he came home with one as a surprise. To this day, I'm convinced it fell off a truck. (He knew people with "connections."😂) BUT, we had our VCR and we could watch our soaps. That thing lasted forever! It was built like a tank. Even when we got new ones with more features, we kept that one.

Actors doing this is pretty common. I used to work for a company that produced a very successful sitcom back in the 70s. Actors who were guest stars on the show would ask to be provided tapes of their episodes. I assume they do it for a variety of reasons, i.e. to create a reel of their best work. I know of some soap actors who have uploaded saved work to YT. One is Ariana Muenker, who played Christine Valere on GL. She was uploading scenes from her many soap roles a few months back. Unfortunately, it looks like either she or YT took the channel down. Sharon Gabet and Mark Arnold help the EON YT channel by providing saved episodes. Along with EON eps, Arnold shared a guest stint he did on GL. Those episodes are really interesting because they involve the introduction of Nola's character, which was tied to the Roger storyline. When he came back after faking his death, he hid out at the boarding house. Nola being a snoop figured out something was fishy with him. She ended up helping the police. Very worth seeking out. I don't think anyone else has those episodes. Makes you wonder if there's more out there than we know of because actors don't want to be bothered to run a YT channel. Can't blame them because it's a lot of trouble, but if only... I agree. While Lucci definitely used her fame from the show to build her brand and get work outside of AMC, Erica was always part of an ensemble. Yeah, she got a couple of whacky stories (like the "unabortion") but she never took over to the detriment of other actors and stories.

"Holly had her share of the blame..." NO, she did NOT. WOW. That's what you get for trying to be fair and giving these people the benefit of the doubt! The Rita rape episodes do not seem to be available. It sounds like Calhoun thought it was not dramatized, but it was. I saw it when it aired. Yes, it's close to 50 years ago, and memories aren't 100% reliable. I also know that Zaslow reportedly complained that it was written too much like a seduction and that's why the Dobsons portrayed Holly's rape differently. Maybe it started like a seduction and she rejected him and that's when it turned violent. I don't remember that part, if it exists. What I do remember is that Roger threw Rita so violently to the floor that she hit her head. They showed him coming at her from her point of view and he looked all fuzzy. It was an act of violence, not a seduction. Rita kept it a secret until it looked like Roger might be acquited, and then finally admitted it. She didn't make it up, it definitely was not a ploy.

It's been quite some time since I've seen those scenes between Holly and Roger where he "apologizes" for the rape, but IIRC, he also implies he was in love with Holly and part of it was jealousy over Ed. He was NEVER in love with Holly. It was always HOLLY who was in love with Roger. She was obsessed with him since she was a teenager. By the time they married, she no longer loved him. She married him because she knew she wasn't going to get back with Ed and thought it would be best for Christina. He hated Ed, yes, and hated that Holly and Rita loved Ed, and that was part of his motivation for raping both of them. (He raped Rita the night of Ed and Rita's engagement party). But not because he was in love with either of them. He mostly hated Ed because to the world Ed was Christina's father and also he blamed him for Peggy leaving him. By the time Zaslow returned, it had been a good decade since the rape story and a lot of people who had been involved in it were no longer working on the show. So it's not surprising that history was rewritten. Considering how many shows not only rehabilitated rapists, they turned some of them into heroes, this was not the worst way the story could have gone. And the actors did everything they could to make it credible. I always thought Mindy had the potential to be the show's Erica. The spoiled girl who did bad things but was still likable. Clearly, you are too young to remember the early days of Katherine Chancellor. 😄

I love many things about BTG very much. For me, it's greatest strength is how the family relationships are so beautifully written. The deep love between family members while acknowledging each other's flaws--it's SO GOOD. The best of the best is the two sister relationships: loving but very different sisters Dani and Nicole and adversarial sisters Kat and Eva. These two relationships can anchor the show for many years to come, in my opinion. (The one caveat is that the young and very talented Colby and Ambyr may want to leave the show sooner rather than later, but that's to be expected). My biggest problem with this show is this: Where are the romantic love stories? Where are the star-crossed lovers? Almost every character on this show is married, or in a committed relationship, or just fooling around. Right now the only potential for this are in the Ashley/Andre/Derek and Kat/Tomas/Eva situations. Like a lot of people, I feel the sooner they ditch Ashley and Derek, the better. I hate picking on actors, but the characters are so blah and bland it's like they're a parody of soap characters. I like Andre, and there's some indication they might have him become more serious about Dani, but I don't see that becoming a big love story. I could be wrong. Kat and Eva fighting over a man would be amazing. Over Tomas? No. I've noticed on social media some people are starting to ship Kat and Jacob. I think that shows how much viewers long for a messy love story. There is much I enjoy about BTG and I have no intention of bailing on it. But over all my many years of watching soap operas, the thing that always got me the most excited about them was the question: "When are those two finally going to get together?"

I've always liked Kim Zimmer. She's a very good actress. I think the majority of the resentment comes from how much air she, or rather, Reva, sucked out of the show. There were periods where it felt like it was All Reva, All The Time. So many male characters had to be madly on love with her, even when they had zero chemistry with her. Her rival characters, like Sonni and Annie, were practically turned into psychos (somehow Olivia escaped that fate). She was given bizarre storylines, like the clone and time travel stories, to keep her front burner. It wasn't enough to have ONE bizarre reason she was missing (living with the Amish) she had to have TWO (princess of a Caribbean island, with a secret kid--her second one--to boot). She got an insane amount of attention from TPTB, to the detriment of other characters. Possibly because the actress weaponized her fans. Maybe that's an unfair assessment, but seems to me her day had come and gone and yet she was still centered so much on the show. I agree. In the beginning she was a very good character with a beautifully composed backstory. If they had kept her grounded like that, I am certain few would have complained about her.

I couldn't resist. I had to look it up. VI would have been 26 in 1985, so she wasn't cradle robbing. Phew! 😂

I just don't understand the attitude of these EPs. You HAVE to know most of the young actors are going to take at least one hiatus from soaps to do other things. Most won't become big stars and will likely return to soaps. If they're popular, why would you cut them off like that to the detriment of your show? I wasn't fan of Mindy with Kurt, but again, if you build up a couple this much while taking away screen time from other, more popular characters, just to trash them within a few months, HOW is that good for your show in the long run? CRAZY. YES! Yes, again. Watching her introduction, it reminded me how much the character grated on me back then. It's not the actress' fault. She was fine on Texas. Just a poorly conceived character. !!!! Please tell me VI wasn't the same age as Lujack, LOL.

The uploaded videos from 1985 are reaching the point where I started watching GL regularly again, so a few final thoughts: Damn, Claire gave birth to one giant baby. Yeah, there's limits by law how old a baby can be on a set, but that baby was enormous! She could lift her head and was already smiling and laughing. Has anyone checked if Michelle was actually fathered by a space alien? I'm sorry, I mean B.B. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in the writers room when they realized that was a mistake. Why did it never occur to anyone to make up a more fashionable middle name for Bert and use that to name one of her descendants? The Infinity story--of course, they were trying to compete with GH. But if you're going to do stuff like this at least take the time to create an interesting and genuinely menacing villain, not some twerp who looks like his biggest crime is cheating on the squash court. (I love how several characters protested that Infinity isn't a criminal organization, it's just a business organization you can never leave and who kill people who get in their way. Guys, that's a criminal organization). I do think it's kind of cool that Suzette and Jackson, two very selfish and self-centered characters, got the chance to be heroic. (Jackson chanting a mantra to himself to fool the villains that he was hypnotized was hilarious, though). And David did get to tell Kyle he loved him before he kicked it. So sad. I was rooting for those two kids. All of this dovetailing into Kurt and Mindy's wedding for November sweeps. Oh, that wedding. The 1980s really 1980s with that wedding. Mindy using the ransom money she found to pay for it was so perfectly in character I had admire it. Phillip offering to give her Spaulding Foundation money was also perfectly in character. What's a little fraud between friends? I have to say it again: I can't believe how much time and money was invested in these two storylines centered on two romantic couples, one that would be literally blown up within a few episodes, and the other that would also be literally blown up a relatively short time later. IMO, this was one of GL's biggest problems during this time period. I can forgive a stinker storyline or two, but not the way they built up and then trashed romantic couples even when the audience liked them. Something else occured to me watching these episodes: is it my imagination, or was Ross practically sidelined through most of this year? He's running Spaulding, but the stories were almost entirely centered on Lujack/Beth, the Lewis clan, and the hospital. I almost forgot about him until Calla was vamping him at the wedding. I'm really glad that JVD was able to survive that much story neglect and eventually come back as a major player.

Christian has always been a big booster of the CBS soaps. His own most of all, of course. He also went back for a guest spot on ATWT as the Michael Baldwin character at one point. I know I've seen Billy and Vanessa's wedding at the end. I just hated those last few years of GL so much that I must have blanked most of it out. TBF, it was the 80s and a lot of the clothes were hideous, especially for the rich characters. I was watching a party scene from 1985 today and each gown was uglier than the last one. Maeve had hot pink wings and Reva looked like she was on the verge of a fashion malfunction. The only ones who didn't look completely bizarre during this period were the younger, poorer girls like Beth and Roxy. I love what I call "balls to the wall" storytelling on soaps but American soaps just don't have the guts (or the permission from the networks) to really go all the way. Passions came the closest, but for me it was too repetative and slow moving. For that kind of thing, nothing beats the Latin American telenovelas.

Oh, cool! I have to check that out.

Who did he play on GL? He was on ATWT during the 80s, but I don't recall him being on GL.

I must have been on a sabbatical from watching GL during much of 1985 because most of the episodes that have been uploaded recently were completely unknown to me, so I have a few thoughts: FINALLY got to see Locke Walls! I had heard of the character from story synopses and discussion on GL MBs, but I had never seen him before. I really liked Jeremy Slate as Locke. I know this was the height of the "Just Say No" 80s, but the hysteria over the "evils" of the music industry made me laugh out loud. Alex having a meltdown over the music industry destroying her baby boy, when he should be "safe" working at Spaulding was particularly funny. At this point in the story she thought her brother was dead in the jungles of San Rios because of his overreaching ambitions as the head of Spaulding. Also, she was a music groupie, falling for two musicians! The scenes with Locke's death were very poignant, and made me think how badly they shafted Beverlee. She was on the show for something like five years before they gave her a real romantic story. Every character close to her leaves or dies on her. No wonder they stuck her in the stupid Simon storyline, just so she would have someone to care about. I missed almost everything to do with the Claire pregnancy storyline. I think I started watching again after Michelle was born and she wanted to kill her baby. First thought: Good God, Maureen, you had the perfect chance to yeet Ed out of your life, why didn't you take it? Also, it seems strange how close Ed, Mo, Fletch, and Claire remained after the first shock of discovery. Especially since I mostly remember Claire turning into pratically a psycho later on. I'm not surprised now by some of the things Susan Pratt has said about what they did to the character. Were there different writers by then? My thoughts exactly...but it was nice to see Babara Garrick as Charlotte. She was really good at playing this kind of character. YES, and WHY? Fletcher at least was a journalist, but why would anyone want Mo to host a radio show? The Reva/Kyle stuff: wasn't a fan of the latter part of their storyline and now not a fan of the earlier part of their storyline. And, ugh, Maeve. So boring. So dull. But I guess she had to be because no one could outshine you know who. David/Suzette/Jackson: WTF is it with that David character? Is he in love with Kyle? His whole schtick is Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, I hate Springfield, I want to go back to New York, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, why are we still in Springfield, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle. And poor Frances Fisher as Suzette! First she's begging David to pay attention to her and make love to her, but (his) thoughts of Kyle keep getting in the way of that. Then she becomes obsessed with Lujack, who is, what, 19 years old? Ew. I kind of like Michael Wilding Jr. (he comes across as a little raw in the beginning though he improves a bit over time) but the character existed for one reason: to be in love with Beth, who was also too young for him. But I guess that's because he and Suzette are Big Bad Music Industry People. So much time and investment in Lujack and Beth as a romantic couple. That music video storyline must have cost them a pretty penny to produce...still can't believe they killed him off just because the EP was mad VI wanted to try his luck in Hollywood. Finally, the Rick/Roxy/Kurt/Mindy stuff: watching Rick and Mindy pretending to be a couple so they can stay at the boarding house and keep tabs on Kurt and Roxy's faux marriage made me think one thing: please dump Kurt and Roxy, they are boring AF. Rick and Mindy were adorable and funny together and should have been a long-term love story. I will die on this hill.

I always thought it was a bit odd that they brought in the brother and sister of a character who had been killed off ages before, and who was the wife of a character no longer on the show (Jeff). They were really dull. I would think the reason he hated playing Dan was that he was Brooke's plaything while she was waiting around for a more exciting lover. Just like Wally, he was portrayed as a dullard and a bust in the bedroom. Many, many moons ago, I saw Kelly on Broadway in the play Deathtrap. He played the role Christopher Reeve played in the movie. I remember recognizing him from the show and thinking, wow, he's a way better actor than I thought he was! He probably had a good theatrical career after soaps.

There were two actors who played Wally. I wonder which one it was. TBH, from what I remember of the storyline and the character, either could have done this. It was a thankless role. Devon couldn't stand sleeping with him, so she would fantasize about making love to bad-boy Sean while they were doing it. Then he'd be all, "WOW, that was GREAT! Whatever you were thinking, keep doing it!" That had to shred any actor's ego, LOL. The second Wally was paired with Betsy Kennicott for a while. If you thought Devon and Wally were dull, that's nothing compared to Betsy and Wally.

I recall a scene between Phillip and Chelsea that was played with Bolger--I think it was the characters' first major conversation--but soon after that Grant returned. Chelsea working in PR at Spaulding made little sense. At least Blake was supposed to be qualified. Never understood why Alan was willing to give Chelsea that job. He seemed to really like Chelsea as Phillip's girlfriend, too, which made less sense, as she was even lower on the social scale than Beth. Wait... Just thought of something. Took her storyline? Was CHELSEA originally supposed to be Alan's spy to help him get Spaulding back? Were they going to become lovers? Is THAT what Maureen meant about her being "wild?" Yikes.

I don't remember that scene! OMG, that is TOO funny! There were three unseen Reardon siblings at this point. I suppose they wanted this one to be of an age to belong to the current young adult crowd, so that's why they retconned their birth order, but hell, at least bring in someone interesting. Maureen was already the goody-goody, they didn't need another one.

I always had the impression that Blake turning out to be Christina was a storyline switcheroo after they decided to bring back Roger. She used to talk to someone on the phone and it sounded like it was a younger sibling. Maybe originally they were going to be Spaulding cousins, like Johnny was a Bauer cousin? I'm pretty sure in the Spaulding backstory Brandon had a brother. LOL. Nola was established as the youngest, the name Chelsea doesn't fit in with the other Reardon sibling names, AND she had a very prominent Southern accent. Kassie would have been more believable as a Lewis or a Shayne. Plus, the character was boring as heck.