Juliajms

Ignore button and move on it is.

Ha! I almost miss the days of a good SON showdown. There have been some epic ones over the years, but my days of really getting into it over a TV show are (hopefully) long gone. When I feel the urge I just hit the ignore button and move on. That's why JB doesn't phase me in the least.

What exactly have I said to you that is nasty? Nothing. You are the one being aggressive over a TV show. "he's dead to me" is an expression. It means I'm no longer invested in the character. I am not freaking out and I've thought through my opinion plenty. Thank you. I expressed my opinion, which is different from yours, so you felt the need to get personal and condescending. I can like you and still think the way you are posting at me in this particular thread is rude.

I think that's a good assessment Vee. I'm just no longer invested in the character. Someone who thinks there is only one other person in the world isn't particularly interesting to me. He's said it often enough that I believe him, so the whole Brienne connection doesn't mean much to me. I was also glad to get some movement in Arya's story. I wonder if she'll meet up with The Hound, since she admitted that part of her didn't want him dead. I'll be interested to see if Clegane is headed north or south.

No, I don't think I'm being dramatic. I'm getting tired of you telling me that I am. Telling Jaime and the Blackfish obviously was necessary, since in her own words she failed by not telling them. As to why it was lame, I explained that in quite a lot of detail.

I agree, but at least that was one cheat they earned. On the one hand, I do feel they punked out. I'm sure fight scenes are hard to film and choreograph in a way that looks realistic, especially when it's two teenagers. I freely admit the sandsnake fight was pitiful. However, haven't we been watching all of this training to see Arya become a good fighter? At least we saw her train blind, so it made some sense that she would take that advantage in the fight with the waif. What I can't forgive or get over is the cheating and plot holes in the Blackfish story. Brienne doesn't mention to Jamie or the Blackfish that there is an army of the dead on the Northern border? That every person they know is about to be swallowed in an endless night? That Jon Snow has been resurrected?! Are you effing kidding me? Lame, so, so unforgivably lame. Why did the writers even bother to send Brienne south? Nothing came of it except huge plot holes. Then the Blackfish choosing to commit suicide by Lannister, instead of going to help his niece? "You'll serve her better than I ever could". What nonsense. She needs all the help she can get, not just the best person. As for Jaime, he's dead to me. Threatening to catapult a baby into Riverrun? Disgusting. I don't consider his love for Cersei a redeem quality at all. It's nothing but a sick obsession. I would wish him to return to the Red Keep only to find Cersei's head on a spike, but that would mean the High Sparrow wins and I can't quite stomach that. I'm quickly losing faith in the writers. I think they were doing well with adapting GRRM's material. Lord knows it was not an easy job. They may be getting ideas from him, but without actual material to adapt, I really wonder if they can bring this all together. They are not off to a great start, imo. I swallow all the plot holes and stupid writing I can take when I watch soaps. I don't need it on what has been a great show.

Interesting article on the possibility of a spin off. http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/06/12/why-hbo-is-almost-certainly-considering-a-game-of-thrones-spin-off/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix&yptr=yahoo#4ea8f9053775

I couldn't be more frustrated that Brienne didn't mention the White Walkers or the fact that Jon Snow was resurrected. Come on! I'll comment more tomorrow, not really feeling it tonight.

Commander Mormont was Ser Jorah's father. I was kidding about getting Bear Island back. If he lives I'm sure Dany would give him whatever he wants. Ned sent him into exile for selling slave. I'm not sure, but I think his father went to the wall out of shame leaving his own sister in change. Sansa's situation makes me wonder if Tyrion is set to die. I wouldn't have thought so, but that marriage is a problem.

I sure hope Ser Jorah doesn't think he'll be getting Bear Island back some day. He doesn't stand a chance against that little lady. I kept expecting Jaime to just murder the Blackfish where he stood. I'm glad he didn't, but it added a little tension to their scenes. This episode made me wonder how Ramsey is going to handle his hostage. Do Sansa and Jon have what it takes to keep going if Ramsey is flaying Rickon in front of them? I hope it doesn't go there though, that's too dark even for me. It was nice to see Ian McShane, but it was such a short role, I'm surprised they brought him in for it.

^ Yeah. I see a lot of Republicans trying to back away from Trump in a half assed way. They know deep down that having anything to do with this guy is immoral (and that's not a word you'll see me bandy about often), but they can't bring themselves to completely renounce him. I can't respect these people who are trying to have it both ways.

I wonder if we'll learn the fate of the hostages tonight? I wouldn't want to be in either of their places. The Black Fish doesn't have a lot of reason to save Edmure and we don't even know if Rickon is still alive. If he is it's only because Ramsey wants to make Jon and Sansa watch.

Yes. That's why I go out of my way not to listen to them when they do. In this case it's making me think mean things like "he's more pretty than talented anyway". As to Meera, yes, I also really felt bad for her in that last episode. Watching her struggle to pull that damn sled when she had to be out of her mind with fear. Plus the loss of poor Jojen. I'm glad she didn't go out that way. 2 other crazy fan theories, not sure they count as spoilers since we don't really know.

Q- Yes. Sansa sent Brienne south to Riverrun to ask The Blackfish for his army to take back Winterfell. I'm guessing he won't have enough men to help her. He's still busy fighting off the Frey forces. Now Jaime is on his way to help Walder Frey get Riverrun back. Just typing that sentence makes me sick. Remember Tywin gave it to Walder for his help with the Red Wedding. Of course no one in the river lands wants to be ruled be that SOB. I figure Brienne will tell Jaime everything that's happened and he'll go with his army to help Sansa. Maybe that's too perfect an outcome, but a girl can hope.

^ I agree he's been sucked back in, but I'm hoping seeing Brianne again will bring him over to the Stark cause. He has an army and Sansa needs one, so the pieces might fit. Maybe Jamie feels his oath to her is fulfilled, but I hope not, once he hears what Ramsey has done. Sansa is a Lannister after all, I don't think anyone in King's Landing even knew that Ramsey tried to marry her (that marriage was never valid I figure, since Tyrion is alive) or what he's up to in the north. Plus maybe the situation with the White Walkers will come into play. Not that I want to see Cersei left at the mercy of the High Sparrow. I should probably want to see her suffer, but I don't. I want to see her come out on top of this particular battle, but I don't think Jamie can even help her that much now that Tommen has bought in to the zealotry. She needs someone like Little Finger around who can bring down The High Sparrow in a way he doesn't see coming. So maybe this should have been obvious, but I'm not clear, is Benjen Coldhands or are they two different people?

I sort of wonder if Jamie is going to end up going north with Brienne. No way I believe he's going to take down The Blackfish on behalf of Walder Frey. That would be a complete regression of his character. Tarly threatened to kill his own son, so little Sam never would have been safe there. What a creepy guy. I feel bad for Sam's mother.

I'd say the book Sansa is fairly complex. Sansa is complex because she challenges the idea of what being a "strong woman" is about. She undergoes horror after horror, and she survives, but she never survives in the way that some need to see in order to feel validated (which is Arya and her "badass" scenes). You've lost me. Passive survival is pretty much the traditional view of a strong woman not a challenge to it. Book Sansa is a passive little girl who doesn't come across as especially clever. I don't blame her, I'm not sure I was especially proactive and clever at 11 either. If you find that version of the character complex, I think we have different ideas of what that word means, but hey, I can agree to disagree as we usually do.

How can Sansa be a complex character if D&D don't do complex? They are the ones writing her material. The Sansa of the books is a lot less complex I promise you. For starters, she's 11 years old.

Sansa was never going to get the kind of story that Dany does because Dany is the co hero of this whole story. I don't see that Cersei's story is better or that she's reinvented herself, but I will agree that they are the same level of character. If they are leads at all they are second tier to Jon and Dany. I remember who Sansa was before all this happened. Not a woman at all, but a naive little girl. If she had been born a hundred years earlier she would have grown up more gently with time instead of trauma being the catalyst. Accepting Jon is part of Sansa growing up. Looking down on him because he wasn't her whole brother was petty and immature. It's not the same as if Jon and Arya had reunited, but I find it touching in it's own way. I don't agree at all that Sansa isn't attached to anyone or anything anymore, building Winterfell in the snow was proof of that. She's been longing for her home and family, including Jon this whole time. She's risking falling back into Ramsey's hands to reclaim it.

Damn. I was hoping Shireen would meet a different fate in the books, although when Davos helps Robert's bastard (can't remember his name in the books) escape it makes sense that Shireen ends up screwed.

I guess we have to hope that Coldhands is around and will help Bran get to the wall.

This person explains it better than I can. Time loop! https://www.yahoo.com/tv/game-thrones-exactly-happened-hodor-time-loop-061313659.html It does make me wonder if Bran can visit the future and then come back and help change any mistakes that are made in trying to defeat the white walkers. IDK, I do like the series 12 Monkeys, but I hope there isn't too much time travel in GoT.

Because Hodor has been mentally incapacitated since we know him. Nothing has changed. Time travel talk gets so confusing, but the way I see it the change Bran made happened in the past at the moment he made it happen. Any change he makes will be something that makes the present what it is, but doesn't actually change the present as we know it. So yes, he can influence the past to make this present what it already is as opposed to what it would have been if he had not changed it. Lord, I feel like I'm talking about Star Trek or 12 Monkeys. I watched again. I'd like the show runners to spell it all out for us, but I don't think Bran was controlling Hodor when he held the door. As YRBB pointed out Bran warged into Hordor in the past, so he saw how important it was for him to hold the door. In the present his eyes went white for just a second and then they went back to his own color.

Another small difference is in the book Hodor's real name is Walder. I'm pretty sure he's a Frey, although I'm not sure it was spelled out. I think even on the show he's meant to be a Frey, since we've seen so many variations of Walder among that house. I've always liked that this show doesn't really subscribe to the idea that a person has to be bad just because someone in their family is awful. Another example is Podrick being a Payne. As for the Lord of Light, I think it is going somewhere, although I can't guess where. It's hard to see that entity on the side of right and justice, but I think maybe it's true. He does have a few similarities with the Old Testament Christian God. I suspect all the Gods are real. We've seen the power of the old gods, The Lord of Light, and the Winter King. I think we've even seen the power of the Seven, considering kinslayers don't tend to fare too well. The scene with Rob killing the Karstark comes to mind with the pouring rain and being cursed. Anyway, I want to believe in The Seven because that means Walder Frey the senior and Ramsey are thoroughly f*cked. That leads me to the fan theory (obviously stop reading if you don't like these, but speculation, not spoilers) that Tyrion is a Targaryan. I'm starting to believe it. Partially because he killed Tywin and also because the dragons didn't eat him. Plus we know Aerys had access to Joanna. She must have been in King's Landing, since Tywin was Hand. Also a few of Tywin's lines made me think he knows. "Because I could not prove that you are not mine" said to Tyrion. Also the way he derisively said "my children" that one time. I almost wonder if they are all Aerys and that's why Tywin had Elia's children killed so brutally. Plus the incest between Cersei and Jamie and the idea that every time a Targaryan is born the gods flip a coin to see if they are good or mad. Could anything be more true of Jamie, Cersei, Tyrion, Joffery, Myrcella and Tommen? Oh, and maybe Jamie's children are dying like flies because he killed his father and king?