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I know it was spring 1993, but im just not sure which month. Could be anywhere from March-May of that year,

I honestly just wanna make myself believe that Bill was still writing the show till at least 1996-97. All of the stories that supposedly began with Bradley just seem to have his father's voice in it.

Thanks for that. Yeah I noticed a difference in 1994, but after 1998 there was a bigger drop in quality for me. Maybe Bill had more control until that point.

I checked my SOD from 1993, they start referring to Brad as head writer in the May 11 1993 issue which was out Apr 27 1993. So may be Mar/Apr 1993 as the issue previous still has him listed as supervising producer.

They also mention a few months before that Brad and Maria Arena Bell were trying to get their own soap off the ground called Coming of Age, maybe when that failed Bill gave Brad the head writer position.

Thanks for the help yr9190.

Out of curiosity. Does anyone know when Brad Bell took over as Head writer of B&B. I have heard 1994, but wonder about specific dates, at least which month it was.

It would be interesting how involved Bill Bell was after he handed over the writing duties to Brad, did he have story projections etc. I know he was a consultant and producer, but that can sometimes just be a title. Does anyone have any info on this?

CarlD2 posted an article about the beginning of Y&R earlier in this thread, and it has a small excerpt that talks about Janice Lynde replacing Mary Grover. It says she had to work until midnight and on a Sunday. Since Leslie only had a brief scene in the first episode I am guessing Mary must have taped a fair bit before being replaced. Maybe a weeks worth? From what I understand, they didn't tape too far in advance back then.

Here is the link

http://boards.soapop...s/page__st__300

How long before debut was Mary Grover dumped as Leslie? Did she tape any scenes?

Well this was in a March 24 1973 edition newspaper, so obviously the press wasn't changed before the show debuted. I do remember seeing a pic of Lee Crawford in her scene with William Gray Espy that showed her in a slip instead of the nightgown type thing she wears in the first episode. Not sure if it was a rehearsal or they taped a pilot and weren't happy with it and re-taped. Does anyone know the pic I am talking about?

That's quite a find!!

I wonder if they thought she looked too much like Jaime Lyn Bauer.

From what I understand JLB wasn't cast at that point. Her character was created but not intended to appear until later on (eventually making it on air in Dec 1973) Does anyone know if JLB was cast well before she appeared?

I also find it interesting that Trish Stewart is missing from this, as Chris was such a main focus of story initially.

Not sure if this has been shown. An article about Y&R just before it premiered. Interesting, have we discussed Mary Grover as Leslie Brooks, if not does anyone know what the deal was and why she was replaced?

I think ( and this is just my opinion until Deedeee can answer this question) that Jack started his weeping period after Nikki miscarried the first baby.

It's really interesting watching him try to act like Terry. I wonder how Jack's stories in the early 90's would have been written if Terry never left. For one thing i don't think Victor would be as unstoppable as he has been for nearly all of Bergman's run.

I think we all would have gotten the Victor/Jack brawl we wanted to see, since Braeden and Lester were drama free to each other.

There was an almost scuffle between Lester's Jack and Victor. Victor had just watched Nikki's goodbye video when she was dying and Jack came over to tell Victor to keep away from Ashley or something. Victor got pretty angry and they almost went for it. I have to admit Lester seemed intimidated, as many actors do when in those scenes with Braeden. Just remember too, it was Lester's Jack that lost Jabot to Victor, so not sure he would have won many battles even if he stayed. Plus Lester was coasting in his last year, seemed very bored or restless and unhappy.

I honestly didn't see a big shift with Jack initially, until after the Nikki marriage, and even that may have softened Lester's Jack, though I think the loveable bastard Lester did so well would have stayed. Bergman didn't seem to have as much fun, even when he was having fun.

I don't know that the stories would have been that much different, maybe just played out slightly different. I think I would have liked the Luan/Keemo story with Lester more for some reason. I have just never been able to shake the weasel from Bergman, Lester was just more loveable and fun. Every time I call Lester's Jack a rat and some other colourful words, I always do it with a smile on my face.

Guess what I managed to snag!!! for 12 bucks no less! these are hard puppies to find:

I see Vanessa, Casey and Nikki, is the other one April? Nice find.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeTrxn6r31I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll_8Uq_aOPs&feature=related

Thanks to TRK141 for uploading some great footage of Nikki and Victor's first marriage in 1984. Some great scenes of past characters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37j3QfAMClE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dv4y0cvbCA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoFGb8pUmT4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otOmVjsnoQs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeTrxn6r31I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll_8Uq_aOPs&feature=related

I just read that Lori Saunders, who was the "dumb" sister on Petticoat Junction (Bobbie Jo), played Nurse Cynthia in 1976, who had designs on Snapper. She was quickly recast with Heather Lowe, who also seemed to have little success in the role. Those who were watching back then - what did you think of Saunders? Did you think the character had any potential?

From what I remember (from synopsis as I wasn't born at that point) Cynthia worked in the clinic Snapper opened after he was fired from the hospital due to his father's death (Liz had pulled the plug, but a nurse walked in on Snapper and assumed he was the one who euthanized his father , as Liz was going to tell the police what really happened, she had a stroke and she forgot what happened). I don't think anything happened between Snapper and Cynthia, maybe a mild flirtation on his part, though I think she did try, Snapper didn't do anything as far as I am aware. Though this all happened mostly in 1977, so not sure what she was doing the year before.

Cynthia, I think, also went after Brad Elliot, just as he was getting a divorce from Leslie. She traveled with him to get an operation on his eyes, Brad hoped that if the surgery was a success he could get to Leslie before she signed the papers, the surgery worked and Cynthia was supposed to send word to Leslie, but she waited until Leslie signed the papers. Brad still rejected Cynthia and went after Leslie. Not sure how Cynthia exited the show, I think she just left town.

Thanks CarlD2 for the articles. Now that I am back online, hopefully I can get back to sharing all the synopsis I have from the SOD mags I have.

So Lorie wasn't on Y&R from the start? That article makes it seem like she didn't appear until Chris married Snapper. That was about a year into the show wasn't it?

No, Lorie turned up around Christmas 1973. She was talked about a lot. Bill Bell did this on purpose, I think he used the same device on Days with Tommy Horton. And Yeah Chris and Snapper married Jan 1974.

That's interesting that Nikki had stocks? i thought Nikki really wasn't buisness oriented till the late 90's, but i guess i will just have to wait and see why.

Not sure what the deal was I think they were in Victoria's name, Nikki convinces Victor to sign them into her name so that she can give them back to Victoria, so she has a legacy to pass on, though she gives them to Marc, or something like that. I will have to dig out the next few issues when I get a chance and see what the deal was.

LOL at Nina and Esther bar-hopping. And its weird that a year later, Nina was terrible to Esther when she hired her as her maid.

So Marc was struck in between Nikki and Joanna? Its interesting that they didn't make some sort of triangle with him and those two (unless they kind of did later).

That scene were Nina falls on the ice is actually on youtube.

LOL at Esther: "It looked like he was undressing me with his eyes"

You found it cool.

Marc and Jack were actually after Nikki because of her shares in Mergeron, I can't remember the full details, but it is coming up soon.

I can't imagine Nina and Esther bar hopping! They played up this Esther/Nina relationship for a while, as later Nina convinced Esther to become her maid, without the uniform (how LML!). It's too bad the show dropped this.

For a long time I thought that Steven was killed with a poisoned lei. Now I realize that was used to poison Ashley.

Yeah they had the scene of Nina slipping over on the ice up on youtube, not sure about the scenes in the bar. Steven was murdered by the son of one of his patients who shot him after he committed the guys mother to a mental health hospital. I think that may have been Eileen's last week on the show, not sure. Her last air date has often been cited as Nov 8th or something around there.

Here is the second part of Jan 1988. All I can say is Paul's business was pretty busy this month. I will try to get Feb and March done over the next day, then aim for 3 months every week.

Ashley recovers from a bout of fatigue, to continue enjoying her honeymoon with her husband. Determined to end the marriage, Leanna sends more poisoned flowers and lei’s and attends a luau in disguise. The party is to honor Ash and Steven’s wedding vows. In the middle of the feast, Ashley is taken ill as a result of her exposure to the poison in the flowers and lei’s. Steven takes Ashley back the their room and arranges for a doctor and a flight home to Genoa City.

Stricken with an attack of acute appendicitis, Leanna is forced to undergo emergency surgery in Hawaii and must stay behind when the newlyweds return home. By the time Ashley is admitted to the hospital in Genoa City, she seems recovered and the doctors can find nothing wrong with her. Leanna was foiled…….this time.

Jack tells Marc that Nikki isn’t moving off the Newman Ranch. Now is the time for Marc to make his move, Jack pushes, before Nikki and Victor have a chance to patch up their differences. Heeding Abbotts advice, Marc invited Nikki to go dancing. She’ll have to check her schedule, Nikki answers cagily.

Gina is worried that Rex is in some kind of hot water. Not to worry, Rex assures hi daughter. He’s paid his debt to society and is on the straight and narrow. Impressed by Rex’s sincerity, Gina reprimands Danny for telling Kay that Rex is a con man. Danny should talk to Rex and see how he’s changed. Danny refuses. Danny isn’t the only one with a parent he can’t stand to be around. Cricket wants absolutely nothing to do with her mother. She’s relieved when Jessica’s departure date passes, unaware that Kay has convinced Jessica to stay in town.

Paul is convinced that Chuck is the man Jill is looking for. Set up a meeting as soon as possible, an anxious Jill orders the detective. Amy has to fork over one hundred dollars to get Chuck to agree to meet with Jill. It will be worth the money, Jill is certain. When Chuck finally meets Jill, he reveals – for an additional five hundred dollars – that he slept with Nina. However there is no way he is the father of any kid Nina is carrying, Chuck adds. He’s sterile. He gives Jill the name of his doctor, who will confirm his condition.

Nina talks Esther into a night on the town. Mrs. Chancellor doesn’t ever need to know, cajoles the stir crazy boarder. Dressed in some of Kay’s old clothes, the women head for a singles bar, where they pick up a couple of men. Esther gives her phone number to one of them. The man Nina has attached herself to immediately loses interest when he discovers Nina is pregnant. Ticked off, Nina wants to leave. As Nina and Esther make their way through the parking lot to find their car, Nina slips on the ice and falls. Grabbing her abdomen, Nina begs Esther to rush her to the hospital. Esther is terrified – now Mrs. Chancellor will really be mad at her.

Lauren believes Marc is after JoAnna’s money. When JoAnna refuses to listen to her daughter’s suspicions, Lauren hires Paul to investigate Mergeron. She won’t stand by and watch Marc clean out her mother’s bank account. Not only does Brad refuse to accompany Lauren to the hospital to discuss the Neil Fenmore cardiac care wing, he tells her he can’t see her anymore. He found that Lauren told Tim that she and Brad were seeing each other. Shaken, Lauren begs him not to end their relationship. She needs him in her life. Lauren’s tearful pleas convince a reluctant Brad to help her set up the foundation for her father.

Jack does his darndest to downplay Brad and Jill’s success with their new product line. But John has decided that it is time to go national and severely reprimands Jack for his negative position.

Esther summons Kay to the hospital after Nina’s fall. Jill arrives too, and both women secretly hope Nina has a miscarriage. To their chagrin, a period of touch-and-go is followed by Nina’s recuperation. Back home, Kay insists that Nina will have to be locked in her room. Nina proved she can’t be trusted. She has no business bar hopping with Esther. When Nina balks at being held prisoner, Kay tells her she can either accept her fate or get out of the Chancellor house. Nina backs down.

Rex wants to contact his son, but Gina doesn’t think it’s a good idea. Danny still blames Rex for his mother’s death. Rex persuades Gina to give him the key to Danny’s apartment and he heads over to confront his son for the first time in years. The sight of his father makes Danny furious. Rex wants to make amends, but Danny won’t let him. Danny tells his father that if he really wants to prove that he has turned away from a life of crime, then he should stop seeing Kay…….forever. Rex is in a quandary.

Cricket is mad. Not only has her mother decided to stay in town, she rented an apartment in Cricket’s building. She wants to make up for the years they’ve spent apart. Jessica had her mother raise Cricket so that Cricket wouldn’t be affected by Jessica’s lifestyle, by the constant stream of men in her life, Jessica explains. Cricket wants to know who her father was. Jessica tells her, he was a soldier who died in Vietnam. He was going to marry Jessica, but died before he knew he was going to be a father. A dubious Cricket hires Paul to investigate Jessica’s claim.

I have no sympathy for Nina, she practically raped Phillip, no actually I would say she did rape him, he certainly didn't know what he was doing. She deserved much worse. Just because they redeemed her doesn't change what she did.

Here is the first two weeks of Jan 1988, just working on the second half, I have basically done verbatim what is in SOD. I had to guess the dates. This is from the Feb 9th 1988 issue of SOD, is that the right one? The issue before it had references to Christmas and the Candy Cane Ball, so I assume this must be Jan 1988.

I have all of 1988 - 1989 for SOD recaps but I will have to type them up. Give me 3hrs and I will get at least Jan up. Been meaning to do it. Sorry pretty busy, but will try to get all synopsis for 88 - 89.

Thanks for this. I know most of them, aside from the third on the last (Suzanne?).

I guess the first is supposed to be JoAnn.

Jill spiked Kay's medicine. It was during the story about the affair in Nov 1983 with Jack after Kay got a hold of the pictures. She tried to have Jazz knock her off, when he refused she put vodka in her liquid vitamin bottle. This is how she had Kay fall off the wagon.

Thanks for the questions. Would be quite interesting to play.

It happened again in 1981 when the Douglas/Kay/Derek story finished, Jeanne was barely seen on screen for a few months. I think what you are talking about CarlD2 would have been around the time of the failed first attempt at getting the Jill/Derek/Kay story going. From synopsis I have read from that year, Jill/Brenda didn't have much to do once that story was dropped.

It would have been interesting, but I am glad it didn't happen.

I never watched the show until the mid 80's so I don't know. But I though Kay and Jill had no interaction at all between about Mar 1980 to the time in this clip which was around Sep/Oct 1982.

If they did interact was it minimal at best as I don't remember ever reading about any storyline between the two women in that period I mentioned.

I know in this clip Kay just found out about Jill and John planning to marry. She ended up sending John a transcript of the paternity suit Jill brought against the Chancellor estate in 1976. Ashley saw it first and questioned Jill who managed to explain it all away to Ashley, though Ash warned her she would be keeping an eye on Jill and hid the transcript from her father and John and Jill were married in Oct 1982.

The second clip is from Dec 1982 when Kay let loose on Jill at a party she threw. Too bad Kay doesn't throw more parties these days.

Thanks Paul - glad to be here. Dorothy Adams, who was the mother of Rachel Ames(Audrey, GH) played Ma. I believe shew as married in real life to one of the train engineers on Pettitcoat Junction. There was a rare pic of her as Ma in one of the soap mags from the 70's. She didn't stay long from what I understand.

I read in some archived newspaper article that was about the premiere of the show, that the Henderson's were going to be the second core family, with the Foster's playing a smaller role. I read too that Robert Clark who played Bruce turned up in June 1973 after Liz found out she had cancer. I also read somewhere that Leslie got her first concert tour in autumn/fall 1973 and that Jennifer went with her and planned to see Bruce as much as she could, so I assume the Henderson's were only in Genoa City for the summer.

I don't know how true any of this is, decent storyline info for 1973 is hard to find.

You mean someone on the show mentioned him? Or one of us?

I know I've mentioned him quite a few times on here- I love me some Connor Davis and Scott Thompson Baker.

Are you sure those '91 and '92 cast photos are marked right? Kimberlin was full time on Y&R on '91 and joined B&B in '92.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it can't be right- Scott Thompson Baker was on AMC from 1991-1992- he didn't join B&B until '93. And I remember Kevin & Keith- I'm pretty sure they didn't join until '93 either. Plus they're pictured in '91, not in '92, and then again in '93, so the timeline is off. Also, Darla's hair is short in the '91 picture and long in the '92 picture. She started with long hair and then cut it short. Also, Michael Watson only appeared on the show in 1992.

I'm pretty sure the '91 picture is actually '93, the '92 pic is actually '92, and the '93 pic is actually '94. Then the pics from '94 to '96 are actually cast pics of the year after, which fills the '97 gap you have. Just an educated guess, but I'm pretty sure it's right.

The cast pic from 1994 is 1996 and the pic labelled 1995 is 1995. That is why neither Tracey Bregman or Kimberlin Brown appear as Kimberlin was off the show for a short period and Tracey didn't join until late Oct 1995. Rick and Bridget didn't get the spotlight until the whole paternity thing so 1996 would be their first cast picture. Also Barbara Crampton had longer darker hair when she began.

I also think the 1998 pic is from 1999 as I am pretty sure KKL didn't cut her hair until around Dec 1998 and I doubt they would have shot that pic then, it looks like they did most of the cast pictures in the early to mid part of the year. It would also explain why Kimberlin Brown doesn't appear as she left around Oct 1998.

They did not even bother. It was just not mentioned after the dinner. One of the lamest plot devices ever. And one of the reason why I liked Kay Alden taking over because Bill Bell had some issues of laziness in 1996/1997...

Did Bell step down because of his growing alzheimer's? Does anyone know when this became an issue, I have always wondered, it seems most of the inconsistencies in his writing began in the 90's and he stepped down in 1998.

Thanks for all those details. Which soaps can you watch now?

General Hospital moved to cable around the late 90's, I think when Ingo joined, and has been on and off, I think it is back on. I am pretty sure they are playing AMC again on some free to air channel in July. Y&R got axed from its home for 30 years and moved to cable. Days is where it has always been and B&B still runs in its same timeslot.

I wish Bill Bell had had a chance to lay out, in detail, what the plan for Blade and Blade/Ashley was. I know that the story was affected by Brenda's maternity leave but it was still a very meandering and strange story, and frankly, I can't think of a lot of actors less suited to a dual role than Michael Tylo.

I just hated the idea of women fighting over being pregnant by him, and I thought it made Ashley look incredibly pathetic. I see that story as the start of the Victor worship that went on to devour the show.

I agree, and I think it was out of character for Ashley and somewhat for Diane and Nikki, though the cat fights between Diane and Nikki during that period were classic and fun. Even Eileen said that she didn't think Ashley would be the one who ended up pregnant. It was the beginning of the end for me watching the show.