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Agreed. and it's one of the problems I have with him. (Sorry no "gotcha" here. I was perfectly aware that it was Obama who caved.) People who don't like Obama seem to operate under the assumption that his supporters think he can do no wrong. That's not true. I think it comes from the priorities the right-wing places on homogeneity and staying true to the party line above all. (After all God forbid Mitt Romney actually believe that abortion should be legal to protect the health of the mother. That's heresy!) I've stated numerous times that I dislike Obama's fetish for trying to find common ground with people who hate him and it think it has hurt him, the party and the country as a whole. It makes me sick and if I got ten minutes to talk to him that would be what I would tell him. This is a perfect example of that. At least this I can chalk up to his desire to win but when he did stuff like this with the Bush tax cuts or throwing out the public option with health care reform, I was livid. Does that mean I would even consider voting for Mitt Romney or the GOP? No. My problem with Barack is that he doesn't fight hard enough for the right beliefs. The problem I have with the GOP is that they don't have the right beliefs. This is one of the reasons I love, love, love Bill Clinton. He's a street fighter who isn't afraid to break a few kneecaps and get sneaky. For example I heard that one of the reasons Clinton's speech was so long is because he wanted it to run into the 11:00 hour so it would pre-empt or break into the local news and so independents and moderates who weren't watching the convention would see it. And you know what? It worked. Come 11 o'clock quite a few of my conservative friends on FB and Twitter started posting about how pissed they were that the news was being bumped for Clinton. THAT's the kind of fighter I want. That doesn't mean I don't or won't support Obama. (BTW, Buzzfeed actually posted the changes Clinton made to his speech with the changes tracked. It's an interesting read for anyone who writes or edits. I can think of few professionals I pity more than Bill Clinton's speechwriter. LOL! http://www.buzzfeed.com/nycsouthpaw/inside-bill-clintons-epic-convention-speech-4xje)

The Dems have always cared about what Fox News says about them. Hence the reason I call them pussies. They're weak and hypersensitive to criticism from a source that should be dismissed right out of the gate. It's a big part of my problem with the Democrats. Nobody else was talking about the God thing. Just Fox and the right wing blogosphere. If the Democrats truly had the courage of their convictions they would've said "consider the source" and stuck to their guns but they never do. It's part of the reason I don't consider myself a Democrat. I consider myself a liberal who votes Democratic because that's my only choice. (I don't buy into the third party stuff.)

I wasn't intentionally dodging your statement. You made a statement that I considered to be superficial and poorly-reasoned ("An ideological fight on the floor of the convention, suggesting deep divisions within the Democratic party on the acceptance of religion and our ties to Israel, is easily the biggest story of both conventions this election year.") and I treated that way but I'll go a little more in-depth. Re the God thing? Not to put to fine a point on it, the Dems are pussies and they always have been. They let themselves be bullied by Fox News and the people voting "no" understood that. But the idea that that represented some deep idealogical divide within the party isn't supported by facts, reality or history especially when you compare it to the GOP which has been splintering apart for years thanks to the Tea Party and the Ron Paul supporters. You need only look at the primaries to see how those factions have ripped the GOP apart. The convention opened with a floor fight over Ron Paul which had been building for more than a year. There's no big ideological divide in the party over God. That was a one day skirmish where the Dems who had some balls stood their ground and the Party leadership caved. If I'd had my way, the Dems would've stood up and said "The Democratic Party realizes that this country was founded on separation of church and state and we hold that to be one of our core principles. We also recognize that there are a millions of wonderful, patriotic Americans who practice a variety of faiths and we welcome them all whatever deity they pray to. Therefore we will not be changing our platform to accommodate short-sighted, small minded, divisive thinking. Fox News, you are cordially invited to go [!@#$%^&*] yourself." But that's just me. As for the Jerusalem thing, I don't pay any attention to that. I'll be honest, Israel is just not an issue I care about. I acknowledge it's vitally important to a lot of voters but to me it's the political equivalent of water polo. Don't care. Never did. I don't understand why the Democratic party platform has to be remotely concerned with what city some other country considers its capital but I do understand that they didn't want to let the GOP use it as a wedge issue with Jewish voters. Personally, I don't GAF either way except that it highlights once again that Democrats are wimps.

I think you're projecting. If you want to see deep divisions in a party on display, I refer you to the GOP's Ron Paul supporters. Or are we just going to ignore how the GOP has been trying to smack them down for the last year. The Dems were wimps for caving on the God thing but that's how they are. Regardless, as of right now, Bill Clinton is the biggest story of both conventions.

But she can't have been good. It must be bias. Just like the only reason Barack Obama got into Harvard was Affirmative Action.

I don't care all that much about celebrities politics either way. Kelsey Grammar and Angie Harmon are both fairly conservative and I don't hold it against them. Eastwood's speech was sad and embarrassing but I don't judge him because of it. Of course when you start getting into Nugent's threats, Chuck Norris' clearly unstable "1000 years of darkness" or Mel Gibson's holocaust denial, I write that person off. Of course I would write those people off in my real life. That's what I've done with one birther friend. As for Clooney, his politics make me love him more but that's just a matter of degrees anyway.

So...so far Mitt Romney has the support of Ted Nugent, Nicki Minaj, Mr. Walker Texas Anger and sundowing Clint Eastwood.

McBain? LOL! What an appropriate typo for this board. Yeah, the media had a thing for McCain. I have to admit that I used to respect the guy even if I didn't agree with him but the campaign turned him into a craven suck-up who did everything but grind against a pole for votes. I've saw a flash of respectable McCain when he called out Michele Bachmann but he can't ever undo the fact that he unleashed Sarah Palin on this country. He'll never get clean of that.

Obummer? Really? We don't agree on politics but I always thought you were better than the "let's make fun of his name" crowd.

You think so? I don't. McCain at least had some integrity and dignity before he sold his soul and picked Snowbilly as his running mate. Both Romney and Ryan are nothing more than hypocritical, pathological power mongers. They're basically Sarah Palin x 2.

And honey, we're going to use the HELL out of them. Trust.

He's the coolest guy they've got. Otherwise they're stuck with Ted Nugent or Chuck Norris.

If the people pushing these laws were truly interested in the "integrity of the process" they would be more concerned with making IDs easily available and free. They would also encourage early voting instead of trying to curtail it, they would encourage BOEs to accept provisional ballots instead of fighting to have them thrown out and they wouldn't create loopholes that force institutions to spend money like the way a number of Pennsylvania schools have to in order to change school IDs to adhere to the rule that have to have an expiration date. They also wouldn't be training people in voter intimidation and they wouldn't be going after groups like the League of Women Voters or high school teachers who register their students. This isn't about the process. It isn't about "if even one person votes fraudulently, blah, blah, blah." It's about the fact that Obama won in 2008 because of an unprecedented turnout of minority and young voters and the GOP is going to do everything possible to make sure that never happens again. Honestly, I don't understand how anybody who tries to keep people from the polls can consider themselves an American when they are spitting in the face of one of our most precious rights just because they didn't like the outcome last time. I'll be voting early but I'll be volunteering to help people get to the polls on Election Day and I can honestly say nothing would make me happier than to come face to face with one of these "True the Vote" thugs. You could offer that but it would be a lie.

I don't know if this is appropriate for this thread but since it's the anniversary... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V57lotnKGF8

They'll get the same response from me. I didn't care about Melissa Reeves and I don't care about these. You know why? Because its [!@#$%^&*] TWITTER and I'm not at 14 year old girl. (Although, it's never a good idea to openly wish for the death of people. Privately, fine but saying it out loud is a bad PR move.) But for the record, when your only argument about something is the "Well what about...?!?" false equivalence tango, you are arguing from a position of weakness. There is no rule that says if you're offended by A then therefore you simply must be offended by B.

EXACTLY! Watching the Repubs who are hating on Akin are hypocrites. He said exactly what they believe, they're just angry that he did.

Indeed. When I taught Sunday School (yeah, let that sink in for minute) one of the kids in my class was the black son of a whet single mother. She told me that they considered her adoption a special needs adoption simply because they had so many black babies and it was easier to process that way. She often joked that she got the love of her life for court costs.

What's to understand? Sex is dirty and wrong and if you do it you should be punished for the rest of your life by raising another human being. What could go wrong?

I guess we can look forward to a bunch of right-wingers lining up around the block for "Legitimate Rape Appreciation Day."

Don't you just LOVE my state? If we get that early voting weekend back - and I'm cautiously optimistic that the court will rule in favor of that - the GOP is either going to have to honor that decision or shut down in-person early voting for the military. If the polls stay open that weekend you can pretty much count on black churches and liberal congregations of all stripes flooding the polls that Sunday. If they take away voting for the military, that gives the Dems here in Ohio a message they can hammer on until election day.

I'm about to lose all your respect...I don't have a DVR. I still use a VCR in combination with Amazon/Hulu Plus/Netflix/Roku streaming. Revenge streams on Hulu while CBS doesn't stream any of their shows anywhere but their website. I'll make it work but I hate having to choose between my favorite women. And Revenge is hella awesome! I came to it late and fell in love with it. Believe the hype.

That's one of the reasons I was *so* hoping that Herman Cain would get the nomination. I just wanted to see what the GOP would do without the Southern Strategy. As it is, I'm kind of enjoying the fact that they can't double down on the "Obama's a Muslim" stuff because they can't play the religion card on Mitt Romney's behalf.

Nooooooooooo! It's moving to the same time slot as The Good Wife! I'm supposed to choose between Emily Thorne and Kalinda?!!

According to Vincent Irizarry's FB page he's in Bogota, Colombia shooting a Lifetime movie called "Left to Die." I think he looks really good.

You can't link to Fox News and expect anyone to take it seriously.