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16 hours ago, Roman said:

Dear God. Thanks now Wales. 

Hopefully consumer groups will get the telecommunications blocked from being lax with info that could lead to mass identity theft.

Trump's got this bizarre and highly dangerous belief that letting businesses do what they want will somehow lead to 25 million jobs.  His reality is destructive for the average resident.

I don't know if this is an example of his thinking he's so much smarter than everyone else better but I wish company execs would stop allowing themselves to be pawns in his con game of making America great again.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-trump-harley-davidson-tariff-20170302-story.html

Here's a fact check on what he's taken credit for:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-checking-what-trump-has-taken-credit-for/

Sarah Hucakabee Sanders (who I call the down home version of Kellyanne Conway) was at it again this morning.  I caught the tail end of her garbage.  Ari Melber said he was being charitable in referring to it as bizarre.  It's just another example of how clueless all of them are about how the security agencies function.  Now they're all just out there damaging their credibility while spinning a web of lies for the most ignorant one of them all.

43 minutes ago, Roman said:

how bad were their appearances this morning on the talk show circuit? 

You may read this one for yourself, then wonder why anyone wastes time talking to these people whose souls reside in some special place.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/05/trumps-evidence-free-claim-about-obama-wiretapping-him-is-indefensible-so-his-aides-arent-defending-it/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_fix-trumpaides-157pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.7b63cb9e82f6

Not surprising is that good ole Devin Nunes who sees no reason to investigate Trump's Russian ties would think it wise to investigate Trump's claims against Obama

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/devin-nunes-says-he-will-investigate-eavesdropping-claims

I'm glad I don't live in the district he represents or that horrible Issa and I am far enough from O.C. as well.

Twitter's like Donald Trump's own grave digging shovel.  I am for the moment not going to be pessimistic about his wiretapping rant coming back to bite him in the worst possible way because he needs to be stopped from the harm he's inflicting by stoking more of this hatred and the general global damage he is doing to the U.S.  He is making it so much easier for China and Russia to be what the U.S. is to the rest of the world.

Now here's a bunch of rollbacks, etc. that are going to potentially cause problems for everyone:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-deregulation-guns-wall-st-climate.html?_r=0

Mike Hucakbee's daughter is the down home version of Kellyanne Conway.  That whole Trump team needs a collective enema and especially after their Sunday appearances. 

MTP had someone from the WSJ on their panel who was happy to point out that James Clapper said their investigation did not uncover any collusion between Trump's team and the Russians on the election hacking.  Then she turned around and said the wiretapping needed to be investigated.  Sure, investigate it after he hands over the evidence he has to support his accusation.  Since there have been investigations into Russian business dealings, maybe they have recorded conversations regarding Trump's discussions with them and that would be incidental. 

I'm just waiting for Trump Fatigue Syndrome to become a thing.

I know it seems like such a long road but his tweeting is eventually going to burn him.  This can be added to the list of things with which he's getting away:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tweetstorm-trump-exercised-exclusive-declassification-authority/story?id=45912824

Someone must have told him that he cannot make wiretapping claims without follow-up so he must've been advised to ask that an investigation be tacked onto the Russian one.  What they need to do is ask him for his supporting evidence.  He needs to be able to provide some evidence in order for them to justify any type of investigation and if he does not then they should treat it as spurious.  He has already accomplished his goal of ginning up his ignorant supporters.

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Zealous Trump supporters are heading into Jim Jones category. I don't want to sound vicious but personally, I'm ready for these folks to drink the Kool Aid so the rest of the country can recoup and move on.

I would never have thought of this comparison but they are pretty much cult-like in nature.  The news media, however, is about as vile when they give these people airtime to say that Obama ought to be locked up for treason. 

9 hours ago, Khan said:

 

IMO, hope and inspiration have nothing to do with it.  Most of those people are just happy that President Earth, Wind and Fire is gone and that the country is back in the hands of a white man.  In their minds, that proves their way of life isn't disappearing (when, in fact, it is).  It doesn't even MATTER that we have essentially kissed goodbye our international reputation.  They just want to go back to The Way Things Used to Be.

I don't doubt that there are some people who are just as you say but there are also some people who happen to live at the fountain of eternal hope.  They need to believe that someone is going to make things better for them and it really doesn't matter who that someone is.  If Trump doesn't deliver for them, they will move on to the next candidate who promises those jobs that are never coming back.

So Trump's crackpot security didn't discover he was wiretapped.  I thought they were supposed to be better than the Secret Service.  Now I wonder which will happen first: he drives himself over the edge or the Russian connection blows up in his face. 

12 minutes ago, Roman said:

Someone who is on a panel on CNN said that the MSM who called him presidential after the STOU address should be taken to task for trying to normalize this man after what he tweeted this morning. from what I have now read, most of his staff didn't even know he tweeted any of this until after they woke up this morning.

Like their very own Van Jones and the new game plan.  He should feel quite idiotic this morning.

8 hours ago, DRW50 said:

The bit about "purging" Obama staffers disgusts me (and I don't think this is a secret plot from Gingrich - it's typical of that porker who was never a tenth as clever as he thought he was).

Thanks. I was thinking that as an insider he knew better but insiders can be ignorant too.

6 hours ago, marceline said:

I am awestruck by how many people think this guy is going to ever change. He's a con artist and a grifter who has spent HIS ENTIRE LIFE lying and taking advantage of people and yet you keep seeing all these people who think that they will be the one to turn him into an adult, let alone a president.

Some part of me understands the need to hope but I can't see where they're finding inspiration in him.  I am all for optimism but my delusion these days has to do with thinking that the writing will improve on whatever tv show I should stop watching.

I found out on Monday that my friend's husband is an OTT Trumptopian.  She told me she was watching some comedy that mocked Trump and he told her she needed to watch something else.  I cannot, for one second, imagine living with someone who tries to aggravate me over Trump. 

Tuesday I posted that I hoped they at least got a free trip out of it, but no they didn't.  Now they learned a lesson or maybe not.  What's sad is that they clearly didn't bother to read the fine print.  They just fell for words coming out of the mouth of a pathological liar.

These are the people in charge of running colleges and universities...

Aside from Mattis and Tillerson playing tug of war with Trump over hiring their staff, this Gingrich purge idea has to be gold.  The way to fix the leaks is to get rid of all the people who know what they're doing and replace them with loyal people who don't know what they're doing. It kind of makes Gingrich seem like a saboteur.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obama-appointees-advisers-purge-235629

I was reading some frivolous thing on USA Today when up popped Breaking News about Pence and his hacked email. 

Anyway, I was telling someone yesterday that bragging about getting a price cut from Boeing had to mean that Boeing was making cuts somewhere.  Now this does not have anything to do with the latest great deal Trump bragged about but it does further illustrate his ignorance and how he's getting played behind the scenes of his great photo-ops and declarations:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-02/boeing-is-cutting-1-800-seattle-area-factory-engineering-jobs

2 minutes ago, marceline said:

My Republican (former) friend in Indiana despised Pence. She voted for Trump but she hated Pence with the heat of a thousand suns.

Well she'll probably have to grin and bear what her vote is about to reap when he takes over that office.

40 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

The Trump administration is starting to feel like it's experiencing death by a thousand cuts.

To me it feels like a show that jumps the shark but continues on for a season or two longer than it should.

#TBT

http://people.com/politics/trump-boasted-of-avoiding-stds-while-dating-vaginas-are-landmines-it-was-my-personal-vietnam/

38 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Geez...

 

http://pagesix.com/2017/03/01/widow-of-joe-bidens-deceased-son-having-affair-with-brother-in-law-hunter/

 

I feel for Joe. This type of thing can end horribly. Horribly.

The title makes it sound more sordid than the actual story.  By labeling it an affair, the writer clearly wants readers to draw the conclusion that he was cheating on his wife with his sister-in-law and they got caught.  But it's written more as two in-laws bonding as a result of their shared grief.  It's not an ideal situation and may be especially difficult for the kids.  Now if this was actually going on before the brother died then they may have a lot more to work out.

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Military Officers Aren’t Happy With Trump’s Tribute To A Fallen Navy SEAL

Interesting, the difference in the narrative that the media is pushing versus how military responded to those optics and what Trump said. Appeared exploitative and opportunistic from the clip that I saw this morning.

I saw it as exploitative--especially considering what he said about her husband looking down on them from heaven and being happy.  He's a disgrace and this is probably the main reason those media Trumpbots are all giddy over his "change."  They didn't really hear him use her husband's memory to excuse how it was rushed in order for him to score points by using it as an example of how he's keeping his promise to wipe out Islamic radicals.  Had it been deemed a success there wouldn't have been one word about how Obama set it up, it would have been all about how that annoying eedjit is done another thing he said he would do in less than 20 days. 

4 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

I also expect that Russia will be looking for ways to test Trump on the Crimea/Ukraine issue as well.

It's been buried somewhere but there was a story about Trump's lawyer and a Ukrainian official and some sort of plan that the lawyer either passed along or was supposed to pass along to Trump.

26 minutes ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

He claims that the Trump we saw was a 'new Trump.' Apparently, Trump has some new playbook and we liberals ought to be fearful. 

He's already dreaming those big dreams the presidential one told him to dream.  The new playbook is for Trump to say the same things in a different tone so that easy media sycophants can swear that Trumptopia is real.  Wake me up when their delusions have worn off....on second thought...

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Walmart is going after Amazon's store of the future with no cashiers or registers

This sounds like a disaster in the making.  How long before some sort of phone hacking is hidden?

I'm in the LA area.  My local Albertsons and Target stores have some self-checkout stations that are supposed to help ease long lines but they haven't caught on yet.  People generally seem to avoid the one at the grocery store and sometimes the line to use the ones at Target is just as long as the regular line.

24 minutes ago, Roman said:

The troll IMPO only posts items to see if that person can get arguments started and hijack the thread. it is hard at times.....but in the long run, it's so much better to have reasonable discussions instead of shouting matches started by those who love to feel important.....you know....like Trump. 

I guess I've missed the attempt to engage.  It seems more like the posts are about the Democrats having no hope and how great Trump's ideas are.  But you're right about it being useless.

So I didn't know about Van Jones commenting on Michelle Obama until I saw it mentioned in this thread.  I remember when they touted him as the next great big deal before whatever controversy arose about him--I can't even remember what it was and I am too lazy to check.  I'm not a fan of his "race expert analysis."  I am long over the illusion that talking about it makes a huge difference.  The people who are the most hateful and destructive don't listen and heart/mind issues cannot be fixed by laws and policies. 

Today I'm just tired of experts period.  TV programs were interrupted on multiple channels in order to show a car chase and of course, a police expert was needed to explain to those of use who haven't seen all the other car chases they've shown over the years, what was going on.  I find none of that interesting and I never understand why they don't tack it on to the local news broadcast when they have the complete story.  It's not as if they even show that to warn people to stay away from the area.  Maybe I missed when they announced that poll which shows that people love watching extra low car chases instead of whatever was scheduled to be shown.  They once interrupted a cartoon show so that the kids watching could be treated to a man committing suicide on the freeway..

11 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

You shouldn't feed the troll but I know the need to educate wrong-headed thinking every time you see/read it is tempting but it just seems like some people's minds are closed to reality-- it'll be never-ending.

For me it's not about educating someone because people have the right to their opinion and I am not trying to change it.  I just cave to that basic human emotion of irritation when someone tries to "educate" everyone by implying that poor people need to be sacrificed to corporate greed.  That it is based on a lie just kicks makes it all the more irritating. Clearly, I have no self-control.

I wrote the greatest post ever and it disappeared. 

I know I ragged on the media for gushing over Trump.  The bar is set so low for him that he gets praise for sticking to what was on the teleprompter.  It's like taking a 10 year old to a party and rewarding him for sitting still for a whole hour, except he is 70 years old and woo hoo, it's great that he stuck to reading the teleprompter.  This another reason I hate the media--the "dumbification" of the people. They are total enablers.

23 minutes ago, JaneAusten said:

I know I shouldn't feed the troll but the point I believe you are trying to make regarding minimum wage - what's being done has zero to do with that and the article you highlighted basically reinforces that.

I know I shouldn't either but who makes increasing minimum wage for people who live below the poverty line seem like some terrible thing?  I am going to remain non-partisan because I can't stand the politics and I especially cannot stand how much disregard Republicans have for human life.  They're fine with contaminating the water people drink, sending toxic waste in the environment, gutting healthcare for sick people, all in the name of saving money and pretending that public safety is a hindrance to job production. 

I didn't watch the speech because I can't stand listening to or watching him.  His constant gesturing with his fingers is annoying and his mouth moving like some blowfish/puffer fish is horrible to see.  Then the lies, exaggerations, and hyperbole...

Van Jones is the perfect "analyst" for CNN.  They want to go back to the days when they helped him campaign by trying to paint him as a benign okay guy.  I need to stop clicking on their site.

3 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

This is why I  couldn't bother listening to Trump's speech last night. Until he publicly and firmly disavows these people, I don't need to hear another lie coming out of that man's mouth.

Even if he ever does, I still would not listen to him.  It would be totally meaningless.  Was there a reason for him to mention Chicago, et al., if not to keep his racist message going about "urban" areas disguised in the pretense that he is going to fix things? I am sure the fix is to kill the "troublemakers."  And he finally got around to mentioning Kansas without acknowledging that a man was killed and why because the "Islamic radicals" are the biggest killers in this nation according to his delusional experts.

Yesterday morning a drone strike which is said to have resulted in the death of a Syrian terrorist leader was mentioned on the news radio station to which I listen.  Maybe details will surface in a few days.  If it went well, it'll be because of Trump and if it didn't then he'll blame Obama and the generals again.

4 hours ago, marceline said:

He's not doing [!@#$%^&*] for HBCU's. They aren't getting a dime.

Oh I know. But if they want to fall for the scam and be what the Trumpettes point to when they say "see, he helped those blacks go to college" that is that. 

I don't get how people can put so much faith in that man but people want to believe what they want to believe.  I hope they at least got a free trip out of that.

1 hour ago, Roman said:

what EO did Trump jus sign? hearing his voiuce makes my ears bleed so I had the sound down. 

You may not love that voice but the Trumpettes are singing back up to his "I am not a racist because I've done more to help HBCUs with this one stroke of a pen than Obama." It's too bad that all those people who crammed into the Oval Office with him yesterday for that photo of Kellyanne taking selfies, didn't ask him to re-label his "urban agenda" along with shuffling initiatives. 

I would hate to live in Trumptopia where you have to pretend that everything that existed before him was a disaster and that only he can fix it and that every time he scribbles his name on a piece of paper, he's accomplished something. 

An example of how Sean Spicer plans to keep the media in check:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/02/28/the-white-houses-politico-slime-job-from-start-to-finish/?utm_term=.b6096b55daad

Rebranding the ACA GOP stye:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/02/28/marsha-blackburns-false-claim-that-two-key-obamacare-elements-are-republican-provisions/?tid=pm_politics_pop&utm_term=.b0fc942fbb20

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

I read yesterday that he is now going around claiming Obama has set up protests against him. This is another very dangerous and bizarre delusion that we now just have to accept as the new normal. It shouldn't have to be this way and more and more I worry it will be even after Trump is out of office.

He's also blaming Obama for all the leaks and implying that it's all Obama's people in some matter of fact manner in a "well it's just political" way.  It's not some angry declarative statement, just some you know how these things go bull to brainwash his masses into further irrational hatred for Obama.  While they're seething in their hatred not one of them is going to question why their tough talking fearless leader would be so nonchalant about a serious issue, and why he wouldn't just get rid of all of Obama's people since his plan is to erase Obama from American history.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/us/georgia-couple-confederate-flags-threats/index.html

He's bawling and she's claiming that's not what they're really like, yet they had no qualms about terrorizing a bunch of people because they were sure they would get away with it. 

@DramatistDreamer I was just about to post a link to that.  The silence will continue because Spicer says it was a success and no one is Trumptopians believe everything they are told by the Trumpsters.  Some of them had nasty comments about the father for having the "nerve" to turn down Trump's attempt at a photo op.

I hope Devin Nunes ultimately gets burned on his defense of Trump regarding Russia.

His proposed budget is already getting some push back from former generals who are against State Dept. cuts and see foreign aid as vital.

13 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

I agree Trump doesn't care. I think it's Bannon who cares about people being the white kind of right. Like I've said if you really look at the Syrian refugees a lot of them are white (some with light hair and eyes even), but they aren't Christian, so this administration doesn't care if they die. 

 

I also agree with @rhinohide that we can't just hope the Trump administrations total failure will automatically result in a resurgence for the Democrats. It's tempting, but I think it's critical to have a great candidate and solid ideas.  

Trump doesn't care but way too many people have convinced themselves that he cares about them and their flag and some of them seem ready to fight or even kill over that. 

Bannon supposedly has this deep-seated fear that Muslims are going to overrun the world and to that end he means to eliminate them.  While Miller has this deep-seated hatred of Hispanics and he means to get them all out of the country.  There is no such thing as the "right kind" of Hispanic immigrant in his eyes.  Then of course, he hates everyone that's not white and every white person that doesn't share his views. 

I don't think Trump's failure will result in an automatic resurgence for the Democrats, but it will benefit them.  It will just temporarily restore the cycle in which party changes are predicated upon the disillusionment of a segment of the voting population who just switch to pursue hope.  Since things seem to be be shifting politically because of generational attitudes, Democrats are going to have to do more than just wait for the fall if they want to remain viable.  Right now they just seem to want to applaud the people who are expressing their frustration instead of trying to offer something beyond talk.

He has indeed withdrawn so now Spicer is the one who is wrong.