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They did other tie-in books during the 1980s, but they novelize storylines that go back to the 1960s. You can find them on eBay or Amazon, but they're rare so they're not cheap. I think it's always been known she was a bit of a diva. Or maybe that's unfair. She was very big on professional behavior. I just remembered a story Kate Mulgrew told about Michael Zaslow during an interview when they were doing a play together. She said he would make funny faces whenever he had to kiss her and try to crack her up. That's probably the kind of thing Bev didn't like. Some actors like to make work fun, and others are like, "Hit your mark, say your lines, and get the hell out of here." I think she was the latter. Probably that's why she and Chris Bernau got along. He was the same. Zimmer alluded to that in her memoir--she's one of the actors who likes to have fun on set. The thing she said about never watching GL...some actors refuse to watch themselves. So that might be why she didn't watch the show. And just because you act on a show doesn't necessarily mean you are a fan.

REALLY? Well, now I'm intrigued. Be interesting to know what happened. BTW, props to DOOL for still using their older characters.

This would not surprise me because when Hall came on to the show, she quickly blew up into a bona fide star. Before that, Hayes was the show's major heroine. She and Billy Hayes even ended up on the cover of Time Magazine at one point--they were like the Luke & Laura of that era. Suzanne Rogers was the secondary star of that era. Then Deidre Hall comes in and becomes the star of the show for literally decades. So yeah, no surprise if they don't get a long.

Forbes is Latina. I believe she is Mexican-American. Joe Breen, no. But there were a lot of Irish people who settled around Latin America. So not crazy (though he should have been able to pronounce the name Guillermo correctly, lol). After the Haitian revolution the Spanish crown wanted to avoid more uprisings, so they encouraged Catholic Europeans to settle in Puerto Rico and Cuba. This is why a lot of people there have Irish, French, and Italian surnames. Some probably ended up in other parts of South America as a result. How do I know this? My father's family is from Puerto Rico. When we did the Ancestry thing, we found out we were mostly Italian/French descent because our family came from Corsica. We looked up the history. They were part of that migration.

When Josh was first introduced, he was a total creep. Later, he had Billy to talk to as a friend, even when they were in conflict. The lack of friendships on soaps becomes REALY obvious every time there's a wedding. Who's going to stand up with the bride and groom? It gets awkward sometimes. If they have a sibling of the same sex, no problem. Sometimes they have no one because they can't scrape anyone up. I saw a picture a while back of Alan and Beth's wedding. RICK was Alan's best man! WHAT? WHY? Because he has no friends, and in this situation he couldn't ask Phillip. But even so...that is SO weird. Like couldn't they have invented a golfing or racquetball buddy for Alan to stand up for him? I wonder if the scab writers even knew. They had Phillip do a lot of yelling during this period, maybe to cover up the fact that not much that was going on made sense. Yeah, Alan comes back after two years of faking his death, running away from the Federalistas, then setting up an art smuggling ring in Europe, before easily waltzing right back into Spaulding. I know white collar criminals get away with a lot, but I'm supposed to believe the stockholders would be O.K. with this? Uh-uh. The ONE thing they explained was that Alex had a tape of Alan confessing to the Dreaming Death caper. That's how she forced him out in the first place. She planned to use it to keep him out of Spaulding when he returned. She was practically having an aneurysm over it. But like an idiot, she taped over it, and by doing that had nothing to hold over Alan's head anymore. (1986 was such a baaaad year).

I remember that scene! IIRC, it was more than just hate sex (though that was definitely part of it). Alan wanted to stop the divorce. In some states, if the couple resumes marital relations, that stops the divorce proceedings and they have to either stay married or start from scratch. I don't remember the reason he wanted to stop the divorce, but it was definitely to trick Monica. And like you said, it ended up being for real.

He set her up! It was a very sh!tty thing he did to her. It had to do with some phony emerald mine. Alan ended up blaming her and believing she colluded with Phillip to get him out of Spaulding. Of course we need to keep in mind this happened during the writers strike. The scabs totally trashed Phillip's relationship with both Reva and Chelsea. I think if they had never brought back Roger, Phillip would have ended up married to Chelsea and then Beth would have been brought back. The strike and Bernau's exit caused a lot of storylines to veer off in strange directions. One of the casualties was Phillip and Reva's friendship.

Who is she kidding, she was never going to get the lead in Body Heat. The interesting part about that movie is Kathleen Turner also played Nola Dancy on The Doctors. Back to Zimmer...I think she liked being the big fish in a small pond, that's why in the end she returned to soap acting. Forbes and Watros were always going to do well. It was pretty apparent early on they would move on from soaps. (Honestly, I was surprised when Watros returned to soaps). Like Forbes and Watros, it was obvious Kathleen Turner was destined for a career outside of soaps. BTW, I'm not putting down soap opera actors. Many are excellect and underrated. But I really do think Zimmer wanted to be a star and soaps were her best fit.

Oh, I hated it. I couldn't believe Alex would be dumb enough to be taken in by Roger. (Well, she was dumb enough to be taken in by Simon, but that story was so ridiculous in so many ways). That was a consistent problem for Alex/Bev--they never found a good romantic pairing for her. Which is wild to me, they never had that problem on AW or Texas. She liked Jay, and probably liked that they seemed kind of mismatched. But the whole point of the island story was to reintroduce Roger.

So, there's a thread going on right now about soap set feuds, and people are spilling the tea. It turns out Beverlee McKinsey really disliked Michael Zaslow and they hated working together. I was so shocked by this, I hunted down the interview, and yeah, IT'S TRUE. (It's a corker of an interview, btw, Bev also tells what happened when she walked out on GL). This is the first page with the GL exit story: https://www.soapoperadigest.com/content/wanted-gls-beverlee-mckinsey-0/ And this one has the part where she talks about not liking MZ: https://www.soapoperadigest.com/content/wanted-gls-beverlee-mckinsey-page-2-0/ ALSO INTERESTING: she names being on the island with Fletcher as one of her favorite storylines. Apparently, she was good friends with Jay Hammer. I don't know. I was never a fan of Alex and Fletch together. I don't remember them being popular with the audience. Amazing the different opinions actors can have from the audience.

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YIKES. I hate to disbelieve anyone, but this shocked me so much I searched for the interview and found it: https://www.soapoperadigest.com/content/wanted-gls-beverlee-mckinsey-page-2-0/ Yeah, she pretty blantantly said she didn't like him and that they didn't like working together. The reason it surprises me is that she mostly seemed to not get along with people she thought were not professional, and I had never heard that accusation against Zaslow. In fact, I was always under the impression he was well liked. But I guess not everyone can like everyone.

It's not hard to believe. She was cast at the age of 19 or 20 and was the creators' pet. When you're that young and people keep telling you and everyone else that you're wonderful, it can lead to an arrogant attitude. Also, I remember when she left the show, Labine said in interviews she wrote the trip to Ireland especially as a goodbye gift to her. IIRC, that's the ONLY foreign shoot RH ever did. If I were an actor on the show, I'd be like, so where's my trip on the show's dime?

I seem to recall reading somewhere that Erika Slezak disliked doing love scenes with Clint because he was a heavy drinker and frequently smelled like alcohol. On the Ryan's Hope set, many of the actors deeply disliked Kate Mulgrew--this has been talked about in some of the Locher Room interviews. Catherine Hicks especially had little good to say about her. Which may explain why Mulgrew does almost no interviews about Ryan's Hope and mentioned none of her co-workers in her memoir beyond Nancy Addison and Claire Labine, who were her close personal friends.

This is one of the things that bothered me the most of the later GL years. It's fine that they reimagined Beth from the perfect angel who was worshiped by pretty much every man who knew her. Yes, she had past traumas that would explain her having mental problems. But she became so PATHETIC. There have been lots of bad character evolutions on soaps, but hers was one of the worst, IMO.

My theory is cops get names like Wyatt because of Wyatt Earp. So it's kind of a collective unconscious thing. Hope and Rita, for sure. SO much unresolved stuff, plus they were both Bauers, one by blood, the other by marriage. Even though I wasn't terribly fond of the character, they should have brought back Mike. Actors are a different issue. I would not have expected Elvera, Lenore, or Don to come back. I don't think Mart or Judi would have come back if they were asked. Mart made it sound like he was at least partly let go because he was active in the actors union. And Judi heavily implied in interviews that she was not happy at GL.

Russians were fave villains of the 80s. GH had them, I think OLTL did, too.

The difference is, as long as winners don't come back the following episode, missing episodes don't matter as much as they do with soaps. I think most of the ones you listed had self-contained episodes.

I know there are LOTS of coincidences on soaps, but Bill Bauer having had an affair with Sarah Shayne is just too crazy to contemplate. It was silly enough that Dylan landed in SF where his Tulsa parents ended up living. Besides, Billy already had a "surprise" child--Hillary. I'm glad that never happened. They could have had Cassie be Mike's kid--though not necessarily Reva's sister. I mean, were they even that close? I believe this is accurate.

OMG. Is that why they gave her the clone story? So she could play two characters?

Yeah, people just wanted her GONE.I think Gloria Monty was mad at Francis for leaving and wanted to get Tony in another pairing quickly as a kind of f@ck you to Francis. It backfired. The fact that people accepted Luke with Holly shows that it could be done, you just couldn't force it. (Though most liked her better with Scorpio). I had no idea they brought Jackie back. WHY? Why bring back a massively unpopular character? That is WILD.

An early one from Y&R was when they toyed with the idea of Katherine Chancellor being in love with her companion Joanna, I think her name was? They backtracked on that REALLY fast. I remember Joanna roasting Katherine's son Brock for DARING to imply there was anything like that going on between them. It was really funny. Also from Y&R, decades later, they brought in Kevin's abusive father Tom played by Roscoe Born. They really played up a pairing between him and Ashley--they even did spreads in the soap magazines featuring them. The audience reaction was negative, so they dropped it. Another pairing that got dropped fast was when GH brought in Demi Moore to be Luke's new love interest right after Genie Francis left the first time. They also did a big push in the mags for that one. The audience was rabidly against it. Her character did not last long. I wonder whatever happened to her? 😂

The thing is, home VCR use didn't really become a thing until the late 70s. We got our first one around '77. My mom and I bugged the hell out of my dad as soon as they hit the market. They were expensive at the time--I think around $800--and my dad was, ahem, on the thrifty side. But he came home with one. (To this day, I'm certain it fell off a truck.) A lot of people couldn't afford that (or lacked my dad's connections, lol). So anything pre-1977 is probably going to be either from an actor's personal collection--they usually only keep episodes they are in--or something the network overlooked. The Bells were smart to keep all of B&B. The reason most of Ryan's Hope is available (at least the early years, before it was sold to ABC) is because creators Claire Labine and Paul Avila Mayer conserved the tapes. It's heartbreaking that so much television history was tossed or taped over.

Wow, so this is happening: Of course, B&B has the advantage of nearly a complete catalogue, but it would be great if more soaps followed. If this is a success, it just may happen.

Yes, yes, yes! Why did they do that? They still need to recast Tomas but I think the ladies could have carried it. This storyline had TONS of potential and it just...DIED. After pushing Derek/Ashley/Andre on the audience for almost a year when no one wanted them, why they did this, I have no idea. I was hopeful the pairing of Eva and Izaiah would be great, but...yawn. That's it. No stakes. That's the problem with a lot of the storylines. I agree with this as well. It just goes to show how debilitating a poor pairing can be to a soap. Derek is way, way more palatable since they separated him from Ashley. I literally used to cringe when he came on screen, now I am actually interested in what's happening to him. I still don't like Ashley, but she's more of a side character than the third side of a major love triangle, so she's also more bearable. I also think the cancer storyline is being done very well. It shows how when you give them strong material, the actors will meet the moment. But, as been said, the show can't be all about that.