Janet Marlowe

@vetsoapfan Grandma Kate and Ruth Martin were the grandmother and mother that everyone wanted. I know my sister & I did. Our mother was more like Marian Colby.

Oh, Anne. Anne was Phoebe's daughter - they had different politics. Anne was chic (she had the best, on-trend wardrobe, rivalied only by Erica) and cosmopolitan, but became a sad, haunting character after her daughter, Elizabeth, "Beth", died. Beth had Down Syndrome, I believe, and was deaf. Anne's husband was a member of the close-knit Martin Family - Paul Martin, an attorney. Paul wanted Anne to have an abortion after tests proved the child would be born with these severe handicaps. While Anne was Pro-Choice, her choice was to give birth. --- While the story was very well-acted, I didn't care for it because it was so depressing watching Anne's descent into madness (especially when she attempted suicide with pills). Fortunately, the other stories going on at the time were lighter and fun. The best Anne (Judith Barcroft):

I don't think I saw those episodes. I wish I had. But there's this, too:

I remember these scenes vividly because I found them so funny. It can't be 100% accurate, but this is essentially how it went down: It was summertime when Chuck had gone to have tea and visit Phoebe. It was a good visit, as Chuck had reminded his grandmother NOT to even MENTION Donna's name. After tea, Chuck excused himself to the mansion library; he needed to check a medical book for something. He then returned to the main living room to wish Phoebe farewell. Phoebe was very excited, getting ready for a meeting of her women's club, "The Daughters of Fine Lineage. " One of the members was bringing a porcelain replica of a statue of one of Pine Valley's founders, set to be erected in the park near her neighborhood. Chuck made reservations for dinner at the Château, where he wished to lift Donna's spirits. Donna's friend, Letty Jean, was still hooking on Locust Street, and Donna was always worried for her safety. Chuck felt bad, but told Donna that she cannot control Letty Jean or what she does and he wanted to treat Donna to a fun, happy evening. After he and Donna had dressed for dinner, he realized a couple important papers from the hospital were missing - he had had them earlier. He must've left them at Phoebe's mansion. Not wanting to bother a busy Phoebe & staff with a phone message, he decided to drive there before dinner, with Donna, to retrieve the papers. He suggested Donna wait in the car when they get to the mansion, and he'd make a quick grab for the papers, and then on to the Château... Phoebe decided to have the DFL meeting on her outside terrace, and lemonade would be served. Phoebe spiked her tall glass with some vodka (Phoebe would drink a lot, and often would become tipsy or drunk).... the members arrived, with the porcelain statue, and the meeting commenced.... Chuck, who knew the meeting would be in progress outside, arrived and sprinted towards the library.... but he didn't see the papers on the floor, as expected (without thinking, he had placed them inside a book he had put back on the shelf). He panicked a bit and started looking inside every book. Donna was getting antsy inside the car, especially worrying about Letty Jean (with a particular trick, known for violence, but he paid well)...Donna exited the car, snuck inside the mansion to use the telephone to check on Letty. Phoebe, who had snuck more vodka by excusing herself from the meeting (more than once, I think), was borderline drunk by this point, suggested the ladies go down to the garden to admire her lilac bushes, but not before moving the porcelain statue inside... Donna, without seeing anyone in the living room, rung up the payphone at the bar Letty would frequent in Center City. She just wanted info - hoping to get it from whomever answered - that her friend is alright. By a lucky coincidence, Letty answers the payphone!... Donna: "Letty!!! Listen, I can't talk long, I'm calling from Mrs. Tyler's. I never expected you to answer! Are you okay?" Letty, "Donna?! Can you speak up?! It's LOUD in here." The DFL ladies return to the terrace, with the French doors open,, hearing a telephone conversation unfold inside... Donna: "YEAH! I WANTED TO CHECK UP ON̈ YOU ABOUT THE TRICK! DID YOU MAKE A LOT OF MONEY?" Letty: "Yeah, I'm fine - and I did. I stole his wallet when he was taking a shower. Donna: YOU STOLE HIS WALLET?! The DFL ladies are flabbergasted, clutching their pearls, but listen for more... Letty: "Yeah, when he was in the shower...and I found dope in his pants pocket." DONNA: "YOU FOUND DOPE IN HIS POCKET?! " Letty: "Yeah...and I sold it to someone here at the bar; that's profit for me and no pimp!" DONNA: "YOU SOLD THE DOPE AT THE BAR AND-..." A furious, inebriated Phoebe enters... Phoebe: "THAT'S QUITE ENOUGH, you degenerate, you trollop, you HARLOT! ! ! Why are you even here?! How dare you enter my wholesome home, speaking such deplorable garbage!!!! Why, I should have you arrested! Donna is shocked! Donna: "Mrs. Tyler! I'm sorry. I had an emergency! I needed to use the telephone!" Phoebe: " I don't care! I don't care! I want you out of my house - and out of my LIFE, you filthy STRUMPET!" Phoebe then loses her footing, bumps into the table which the porcelain statue rests upon, and it, you guessed it, smashes to bits on the floor, just as Chuck walks in, with his found hospital papers.

Does anyone else remember Phoebe's snooty women's club, "The Daughters of Fine Lineage"? I remember a hilarious scene involving the club and Donna that I will share (in detail) soon. Phoebe: "Get out of my house - and out of my LIFE, you filthy STRUMPET!" (Never heard the term "strumpet" before Phoebe)

Of course. Everyone always talked about Tara and Phil, and lots of people talked about Erica being outrageous...but I enjoyed Margo the most at that time. She was a "Desperate Housewife" type, and a former model and a bit of a mentor to Erica. Erica often mentioned that she wanted to be "someone special" - and she would make fun of Pine Valley a lot (considered the residents hicks, haha). I also loved Kitty Shea and Myrtle, and when she'd talk about working the carnival!!! I remember Donna's debut, and it wasn't Candace Early but a different actress. This must've been '75 or '76, because my sister watched Ryan's Hope during this time (as well as AMC). AMC and RH were VERY popular at my school. I never really got into RH. Anyway, Donna was a teenaged hooker and her pimp used to beat her. She was taken to Pine Valley Hospital, where Dr. Chuck saw to her injuries. I even remember her outfit - purple with sequins and a beret and bright pink lipstick, eye shadow and blush Her pimp was named Tyrone. Billy Clyde became her pimp after Tyrone was... murdered? I don't remember exactly what happened to him (went to prison?) I think I missed those episodes for some reason. Donna's friend, Estelle LaTour, was also a ''lady of the night." Locust Street. Another hooker from the group was Letty Jean.

They did, actually. I could be wrong, but, as I remember it, it started with Mark Dalton, not over Tom. Mark was Erica's half-brother... but neither of them knew this information at first... and they came very close to having sex (!!!) before Mona revealed the truth. Eric Kane (a film director in Hollywood and Erica's father)) had a relationship with his secretary (Mark's mother). Brooke was very attracted to Mark - and a lot of that was because she knew it angered Erica. I started watching in 1974 because of a character named Margo Flax; she had a facelift and was a bit nutty... and I remember her being roommates with Erica. If you can't tell by my name, I enjoy nutty characters.

I do remember Brooke being a bully when she first entered the Pine Valley scene. She was an entitled, privileged rich girl, who had gotten kicked out of a New England boarding school; her father, Edward, sent her to his sister ('Aunt Phoebe'). I recall her riding into town on the back of a motor cycle (?). Julia Barr wasn't the first actress to portray Brooke; the original actress didn't last long (she was pretty but not as good an actress as JB). Phoebe was faking paralysis; Brooke discovered it was a ruse and blackmailed her aunt into letting her stay living in the pool house (where she liked to bring guys for sex). Brooke's first adversary was Devon, not Erica... but this was a completely uneven match - Devon (who was often confused and had identity issues) was no match for the witty, sarcastic Brooke. Even the indomitable Erica Kane couldn't match Brroke's intelligence and wit (even after Brooke became "redeemed" and a pillar of the community after the Eddie Dorrance rape/abortion).. but at least it was an even match (unlike with Devon "Lesbian-For-A-Month" Shepherd).

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Yes - the entirely of Janet's debut storyline ("Natalie in the Well"). And the video quality was crystal clear.

All My Children kept the Martin and Kane families for the entire run; but, yes - the Tyler family was severly reduced by the early '80s.

When she wrote Janet hiring an actor named Justin, who looked iidentical to Will Cortlandt... with "makeup"... to torment Dixie. One actor played Justin sans "Will makeup", and James Patrick Stuart played Justin with "Will makeup." I read somewhere FMB hated that plot... but Megan got her way. McTavish didn't last long after that (although, neither did FMB).

Yes, GH was benefitting from Luke & Laura returning. AMC viewers were getting sick of poor Brooke being put through the wringer for Tad & Dixie. These were the first cracks showing in McTavish's writing in the ratings. AMC was still strong in the 18-49 Demo (usually #1).

DOOL 1992-1993: #8 4.9 1993-1994: #6 5.6 (tied w/ OLTL) 1994-1995: #6 5.3 1995-1996: #2 5.8 1996-1997: #2 5.8 1997-1998: #2 5.1 Did it really "blow up" (or did the other soaps around it just fall hard)??? It made gains, but I don't think it's as impressive as some make it out to be.

It was??? Ratings went right back down.

Didn't DOOL copy "Natalie In the Well" somehow - complete with the perpetrator making visits to taunt the victim and make food drops??? And "Susan" looked an awful lot like early Janet - except Janet didn't have obnoxious, OTT horse teeth.

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People always mention DOOL coming within .3 of Y&R with a 6.9.... But AMC did that a couple times just a few years earlier in the 8s. Btw, it was Tad's return/coming face-to-face with Dixie

Well, Connie was more interesting than the real Silver.

She fooled Dr. Jaffe. She was still nuts.

Yes, that is the lie perpetuated. There is no actual evidence of it if you look at the hard data. I was first suspicious - years ago - when I looked at the yearly averages, and saw ATWT in the middle of the pack for that year. Also knowing that ATWT/Steve & Betsy were hardly a phenomenon at that time - something it/they would have to be to garner 20,000,000 viewers for an episode. Even Greg & Jenny (who were MUCH more popular than Steve & Betsy) from AMC (#2 at the time) didn't get anywhere near that number - although the December 1983 interrupted wedding, by Greg, of Jenny & Tony Barclay received a 13.2 household rating (#1) for the week it aired.

The ratings for that week (I believe it aired in May of '84) are posted in the '80s Ratings thread. IIRC, ATWT got a 7.something for the week.

After working with Joan (and her hip flask), Gloria aged 40 years overnight. Gloria the day before Joan: